[Closed] Overtaking.

Can I say that this evening at one point I drove like a bit of a bellend.
Needed to confess to the group.

Occasionally we all have to own up to our failings.
Dawdling or dickheading we're all fallible.

Speedy man comes from behind in his fast car, passes me in a small space and waits behind 1st. The next gap comes, there's space for only two cars, they both go. I'm left behind, when I should have been through. That's the last overtaking spot for 5 miles.

But this is correct, as you are now the third car, so one and two get through where there is space for two to do so, you are third in line so must wait your turn, not expect one and two to give up what is now rightfully their turn(s) in order that you, car three, can do an overtake when it's not your go.

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Speedy man comes from behind in his fast car, passes me in a small space and waits behind 1st. The next gap comes, there's space for only two cars, they both go. I'm left behind, when I should have been through. That's the last overtaking spot for 5 miles.

But this is correct, as you are now the third car, so one and two get through where there is space for two to do so, you are third in line so must wait your turn, not expect one and two to give up what is now rightfully their turn(s) in order that you, car three, can do an overtake when it's not your go.

Pure genius 😆

Oh so you're saying that just because you can't or won't go in a certain situation then you begrudge someone else for taking the opportunity.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I begrudge is because of speedy man, I can not take the opportunity that I WOULD have been able to take had he waited his turn.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I begrudge is because of speedy man, I can not take the opportunity that I WOULD have been able to take had he waited his turn.

Do you have a crystal ball? How do you know that *if* you were in their place, there would be a clear safe opportunity to overtake?

You don't!

I know it when they go, and I see there's not enough room for me.

is this still going?

is molgrips still waiting for a suitable oppurtunity to overtake and get out of here....

Molgrips incar footage - latest car episode
Still searching for a clip of an overtaking manoeuvre but I don't think any have ever been captured.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrsNT8lx_cs

Whatever happens, you shouldn't be reacting emotionally either to being overtaken or to being flashed/hooted at,

Otherwise you will be in violation of Star Fleet regulation 619: "The commanding officer must relieve themselves of command if their current mission leaves them emotionally compromised and unable to make rational decisions".

He said he was preparing for an overtake. To me, that means speeding up and moving to the white line to try and see down the road.

I'm still not sure which is true! Great thread though 😉

No, that's not what I'm saying.

What I begrudge is because of speedy man, I can not take the opportunity that I WOULD have been able to take had he waited his turn.

The end result is that you'll probably have to wait a little longer to overtake, then overtake and you have a nice clear road ahead of you since speedy man has already gone.

The other option is that you overtake before speedy man and after the car who was first in the queue meaning that you'll still be behind someone else and then speedy man behind will probably just overtake you again anyway further down the road anyway, meaning that the result is roughly the same either way.

Isn't this whole thing to do with you just don't like being passed by speedy drivers?

Right. It's come to this. I am left with no alternative.

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oldnpastit
Otherwise you will be in violation of Star Fleet regulation 619: "The commanding officer must relieve themselves of command if their current mission leaves them emotionally compromised and unable to make rational decisions".

Haa Haa Rookey Error! #619 is "Hugely well endowed female members of the ships crew must both
A): dressed in a uniform significantly too small for their bust
and
B): At times of danger be suitable protected by more expendable and "plain looking" members of the crew

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'Is mesmerised by the Dancing Monkey '

Who has queueing/overtaking rights in this scene typical of my own commute?

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🙂 at the tag!

I'm now totally convinced that moly is trolling. Story subtly changes to reflect mood, including whether its his chance, or whether he would have been unable to have tried and the frequency of this happening.

Well trolled that man!

Unless you're not in which case; OMFG!

Of he is, he's trolled the same before......... Probably more than once.....

That's shit driving. So you're the idiot sat just off the back corner of the lorry swerving in and out all the time - good job.

PS, You're not even close to guessing how its done. Not even playing the same game, never mind in the same ballpark. 🙂

I come round the bend, see a short straight that my car can't use, but his can, so he takes it.

Of he is, he's trolled the same before......... Probably more than once.....

It's a macro-troll.

Hmmm,has he now?

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This thread still going ?

Different day, same shit.

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If it's a bendy road and I'm behind a slow car, I'll be planning to execute an overtake immediately after each bend, and I'll start the overtake before the bend. It might not be possible, so I'll cancel and try again.
So if you're sat waiting to see a space before you overtake, sorry, if its me behind you, you're waaaaaay too slow sunshine

So i'm not the only one that does this.

Not many people seem to, which is why I get to pass them in the 3ton van. 🙂

[i]which is why I get to pass them in the 3ton van.[/i]

LMFAO !

Suggestions on the subject of overtaking, from Van Man.
Priceless !

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Taken the wife to work this morning, 30 mile round trip rural roads. Managed to get overtaken three times-

- two into one bit of road, Im sat behind half a dozen cars, BMW goes past us all with no where to go , crosses hatched section into oncoming traffic, flashed by other cars who have to swerve.

- Coming back on open road through fc land, Im doing 55ish, car behind makes consider and safe overtake.

- Further down the same road the car that overtook me and half a dozen others are sat behind tracked farm vehicle wider than single lane. Road ahead clears and they begin to overtake. I look in my mirror to see a focus overtaking the three cars behind me and then me causing the car in front (the previous overtaker) to swerve and bring the whole presetion to a standstill.

Eventually we all get past, curiosley though at the next town I pass the speedy car and the less speedy but safer drivers when they stopped roughly 5 seconds ahead of me.

One morning, three overtakes, at least one illegal, two dangerous and none effective.

One morning, three overtakes, at least one illegal, two dangerous and none effective.

I bet they had fun though . . .

Time for a break:

Have they introduced overtaking training in driving lessons?
How could they instructor fail them on something they have never been taught?

Instructors in 2008 where teaching such stuff. Never came up in the assessment though.

Rush hour, easiest time to take a test. Only did about 4 miles.

Just to add, my driving instructor was well known for using the dual controls to down shift and flicking the indicator on if he thought you were mincing and could overtake.
Never experienced this myself, he was more worried about me maintining NSL rather easily along the country lanes close to home.

No it's not. I come round the bend, see a short straight that my car can't use, but his can, so he takes it.

Then the next time there's space for two cars, they both go (at the speed of the first one) and I can't.

the other driver was able to overtake safely where you couldn't...or where you may have been able to but failed to recognise the opportunity quickly enough.

Yes, he was able to overtake ME not the lorry. And in doing so, he's scuppered me for the next opportunity I could have taken. Over and over again I tell you the same things, but you don't listen.

just so you can be first to overtake whatever is holding you both up?

Yes I ought to be first, because I was there first. It's a queue.

The best argument most people seem to be able to summon against me is 'tough shit'. Which just proves my argument really, that people are arseholes.

So you're annoyed at people seeing an opportunity to overtake a slower driver, in the same way your looking for an opportunity to overtake the vehicle in front?

(The slower driver being YOU)

I'm not the slower driver, I'm a speed limit driver, the lorry is the 40mph slow driver. If they want to subsequently pass me doing 90 then whatever.

Not seeing the sense in what you are saying.

Why is everyone in such a hurry? Surely if you love your cars and driving so much a few minutes more sat in traffic is a bonus? Why not just do strava for motorists? You could compare your cretin levels.

Does anyone have an official reference to this "making good progress" requirement to drive at the speed limit.

New to me and would be dangerous on many NSL roads.

Is it actually just a bad interpretation of the driving test tick box for hesitancy and progress?

the other driver was able to overtake safely where you couldn't...or where you may have been able to but failed to recognise the opportunity quickly enough.

Yes, he was able to overtake ME not the lorry. And in doing so, he's scuppered me for the next opportunity I could have taken. Over and over again I tell you the same things, but you don't listen.

When the other driver was overtaking you, if the opportunity was there and safe, while he was doing this you could have already been ahead of him, overtaking the lorry. Unless he's taken a ridiculous risk (and there's no mitigating for that) you should have had a couple of seconds head-start to begin your manoeuvre. If you didn't recognise the opportunity, then please accept you may need some assistance in doing so. There is no shame in this. Observation and planning.

just so you can be first to overtake whatever is holding you both up?

Yes I ought to be first, because I was there first. It's a queue.

No it isn't. Hang on, is this the five minute argument or the full half hour? 🙂

The best argument most people seem to be able to summon against me is 'tough shit'. Which just proves my argument really, that people are arseholes.

Again, no it isn't. The best argument seems to be get some advanced training.

if the opportunity was there and safe, while he was doing this you could have already been ahead of him, overtaking the lorry.

Well not when he's both in a fast car and is taking greater risks.

People do take lots of risks when overtaking, you know. Are you saying that everyone out there is safe and sensible when overtaking?

The best argument seems to be get some advanced training.

Are you serious? This has nothing to do with my overtaking ability, it's about courtesy. That's what I've been trying to say for the last 18 ****ing pages.

Or are you trying to say I should buy a faster car and learn to take risks like speedy man does?

Just because they're all more competent drivers than you and can judge the situation better doesn't make them all discourteous.

In fact the highway codes says exactly the opposite...

[b]Adapt your driving to the appropriate type and condition of road you are on. In particular

do not treat speed limits as a target. It is often not appropriate or safe to drive at the maximum speed limit
take the road and traffic conditions into account. Be prepared for unexpected or difficult situations, for example, the road being blocked beyond a blind bend. Be prepared to adjust your speed as a precaution
where there are junctions, be prepared for road users emerging
in side roads and country lanes look out for unmarked junctions where nobody has priority
be prepared to stop at traffic control systems, road works, pedestrian crossings or traffic lights as necessary
children, are looking the other way, they may step out into the road without seeing you.[/b]

And

[b]154
Take extra care on country roads and reduce your speed at approaches to bends, which can be sharper than they appear, and at junctions and turnings, which may be partially hidden. Be prepared for pedestrians, horse riders, cyclists, slow-moving farm vehicles or mud on the road surface. Make sure you can stop within the distance you can see to be clear. You should also reduce your speed where country roads enter villages.[/b]

[i]Over and over again I tell you the same things, but you don't listen.[/i]

Grips, its reading, not listening. And yes, they're all reading and they are comprehending. But they are pretending not to understand, so as to Troll you and this thread. You know this, which kinda makes me think you like receiving a bit of a kicking at the hands of the STW critics.
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Dancing Banana, anyone ?
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You forgot to quote my comment in whole, therefore losing some context. Here's the rest:

[b]Unless he's taken a ridiculous risk (and there's no mitigating for that)[/b]

If he has, then so be it. He's a nobber.

However, the scenario has changed a number of times over the last 3 (three!!!) days. Sometimes it was a dangerous manoeuvre, sometimes it was a move only a faster car could carry out.

The best argument seems to be get some advanced training.

Are you serious? This has nothing to do with my overtaking ability, it's about courtesy. That's what I've been trying to say for the last 18 **** pages.

Or are you trying to say I should buy a faster car and learn to take risks like speedy man does?

Am I serious? Yes. Given [i]your [/i]scenario, that [i]you've[/i] described a number of people here have all pointed out that the overtaking opportunity could have been approached differently with better planning.

it's about courtesy

Mol - somewhere waaaay back in this thread you acknowledged that if there were drivers ahead of you who appeared to not wish to overtake (or were unable in that particular place), then you would pass them too.
If speedy driver looked, realised you weren't going to overtake & subsequently passed you, is he doing anything different to what you yourself are prepared to do.
Do you really expect everybody to wait (courteously) for you to decide to eventually overtake? How does speedy driver know you are intending to overtake at the next straight? Does he know that you know the road ahead & are waiting for that opportunity? Does speedy driver also know the road ahead & realise that from his starting position it may be too much a stretch to clear everything in one move, so safely moves up the line of traffic, splitting his overtaking into safe sections & allowing him to clear the slower moving traffic without endangerment of life?
Why is someone overtaking you taking risks? How a particular person perceives the road ahead, the view of traffic, their road positioning, preparation & anticipation can differ dramatically & massively affect what is considered a safe overtake, even with identical vehicles. If speedy driver responded faster [u]and[/u] has greater vehicle performance, that overtake you can't make becomes a simple matter of slipping by.

[i]In fact the highway codes says[/i]

Oh !, its, its, its as if TJ were here.

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