[Closed] Officers down :o(

meanwhile, it turns out the event that started the riots last summer did in fact start with a scrote in possession of a gun and the police stopping the car he was in on the basis of intelligence they had received.

So hundreds of millions in damaged property, several people dead, many more seriously assaulted, and the reputation of the man that some of the "protesters" turns out to be as dodgy as some claimed at the time.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/tottenham-riots-mark-duggan-had-loaded-gun-110244005.html

They're after Dale Cregan aren't they? Looks like the final act in a pretty bitter dispute.

Yes Dale Cregan. Farmer John, these officers were nothing to do with what happened in London or the actions of others in another Force acting on their particular information.

Just checked and they were, two women officers, call me old fashioned but women shouldn't be on the front line in situations like this.

call me old fashioned but women's should be on the front line in situations like this

Old fashioned.

Just had a quick google, if a guy is known to carry guns and grenades around a city the size of Manchester why are they need sending in men or women with the ability to disable him instantly.

Very sad that any officer should risk their life or serious injury in the line of duty, unfortunately equality cuts both ways.

Fail online says

It is understood a grenade was used in the incident

Shit me thats gotta be scary

[quote=loddrik ]Just checked and they were, two women officers, call me old fashioned but women shouldn't be on the front line in situations like this.

you're old fashioned.

I was about 1/2 mile away from there doing a clinic at a GP's in Mottram. I parked my car on Ashworth Lane about 9. I am due to be in Hattersley Clinic this afternoon!! Lets see how that pans out.

I did have a patient come in about 11.30 who lives on the estate saying that there had been a shooting.. hopefully they will dispose of him!

Sad news.

Just checked and they were, two women officers, call me old fashioned but women shouldn't be on the front line in situations like this.

Very sad, my thoughts are with their families.

Loddrik you are a knob.

Just checked and they were, two women officers, call me old fashioned but women shouldn't be on the front line in situations like this.

I don't find it any worse that two female officers were killed than if two men had been killed. It's shit that any police officers die in the line of duty (and anyone else who is killed doing a job). It's certainly an aspect of their career but horrible nevertheless.

Why not?

70 years ago it would've been because they are "too emotional, irrational and prpne to hysterical behaviour".

These days opinions like this are old fashioned.

call me old fashioned but women's should be on the front line in situations like this

I'll call you patronising and chauvinistic too...

I had this conversation once with a sub mariner. He said he could close a hatch to a flooding compartment with his mate the other side if he had to. Not so sure he could do it if there was a woman the other side. Sometimes, the question isn't about the performance of women in such situations but how it might impact the situation as a whole.

Don't know if I agree with him or not but it's a point of view I'd not considered before.

Im not sure that being male would've protected them from a grenade or infact a bullet

[not that farmer john's bothered hes just sees it as an opportunity to try(and fail)to prove a completely unrelated point]

call me old fashioned but women's should be on the front line in situations like this

🙄

Oh dear.

Good point Onza, and the male reaction would be one of a million lifetimes of evolution telling him how to react if he saw a female in danger.

Interesting way of looking at it.

call me old fashioned but women shouldn't be on the front line in situations like this.

Blimey. What a dinasour

I assume that you would be a better person to volunteer for dangerous roles like this?

I'm guessing that these officers didn't realise he was in this empty building but were maybe checking any possible hide outs or simply patrolling the area.

That fact he walked in to a police station and gave himself up suggests it wasn't part of an organised operation to arrest him.

Incredibly sad and I hope he gets life with no chance of freedom.

Good point Onza, and the male reaction would be one of a million lifetimes of evolution telling him how to react if he saw a female in danger.

That's one theroy. Another would be that he has been conditioned by society into believing that women are inferior and need to be protected by the men. These things are never as clear cut as first impressions suggest.

Death sentence would be ideal for complete headers like him!

This thread was started in respect to 1 officer who has lost her life and another who is seriously injured, can we keep the thread to that please.

reported.

fred/mike relating the actions of the police in hillsborough two decades ago to the actions of those in tottenham last year is pathetic trolling.

to try to put a prejudiced slant on the events which led to Mark Duggan's death is ignorant and narrow-mined.

Loddrick - every thread every time...try and embarce the current century

Tragic loss of life whatever the gender

This thread was started in respect to 1 officer who has lost her life and another who is seriously injured, can we keep the thread to that please.

agreed, but best of luck!!

It appears that the officers weren't out to look for Cregan, they stumbled accross him and tried to arrest him. He has however, handed himself in.

Now hang the bastard.

Tragic loss of life whatever the gender

^^^^ +1

No arguements please.

Second officer also confirmed as died.

Very very sad. My lad's a bobby up that way, very worrying

Second officer is reported to have died. Sad day for Manchester.

Second officer has been confirmed as dying 🙁 very sad. They were only on a routine call apparently. Thoughts with their families.

Very sad day.........

That's truly tragic.

He's been arrested now though.
Sad news about the officers though.

my condolences to their family and friends 🙁

Thoughts with Family, Friends and colleagues of the officers.

This thread was started in respect to 1 officer who has lost her life and another who is seriously injured, can we keep the thread to that please.

I apologise if my comments were seen as 'disrespectful', because they weren't intended to be. However, i find it strange that comments that could be seen as disrespectful to the family of a man killed by police are allowed to stand, yet any challenge to that is censored. If a moderator would like to email me regarding this, I would appreciate it.

Second officer is reported to have died.

Doing a job that is most likely often boring, dangerous, thankless (at times) and down right dangerous.

RIP and thank you

The 'person' the two officers tried to arrest turned himself in at a police station soon afterwards according to the BBC. So he resisted arrest to the extent two officers were killed, then gave himself up.

An awesome individual.

I am a chauvinist, probably, but I can live with that and the wife takes no notice.

My point being that a suspect who has a history of violence, known to use weapons and likely to use them, presented with a one on one a woman is far less likely to be able to defend herself. Plus the consequences if she has children are even more devastating. Ok male officers have kids too but as someone who lost my mum early in life I can only comment on that aspect.

I certainly wouldn't want my wife or daughters put in that situation regardless of job requirements, I'd expect male colleagues to be first through the door.

We all know that my views differ from many on here but lets not turn this thread into a slanging match....

Edit, just ignore me, didn't realise this had been posted above

My point being that a suspect who has a history of violence, known to use weapons and likely to use them, presented with a one on one a woman is far less likely to be able to defend herself

But by your own thought processes, they'd also then be far less likely to be assaulted by said man because it's apparently in our nature to protect them.
But as you say this should really be moved to another thread.

If a moderator would like to email me regarding this, I would appreciate it.

you are fredrudeboysafety and i claim my 50p