[Closed] Nuclear weapons, where do you stand?

I try to be stood out of the way - they make a hell of a mess if they go bang.

Rachel

Sorry pal but I just cannot make sense of your post.

On the subject of nuclear weapons; how do they get such an enormous mushroom inside the casing? Impressive.

Nuclear weapons, where do you stand?

A long way away!

Normally right next to them when loading them to aircraft......

So, what did CMD do in SA then?

Let’s refresh our minds about what happened in 1989 when a young Tory researcher, David Cameron (under the apron strings of Maggie Thatcher), went to South Africa on a sanctions-busting all-expenses-paid trip (paid by ARMSCOR) to Pellindaba, a nuclear weapons facility. David Cameron was accompanied by Sir Kenneth Warren and the purpose of the trip was to purchase three, battlefield ready 20kt nuclear bombs that the Conservatives wanted to use on Saddam in the event he did not toe the line.

Under the UN radar, South Africa, with the help of Israel, developed ten bombs and test fired one at Prince Edward Island to the South of the country. This left nine weapons that caused South Africa, US, UK and Israel great concern as they did not want them to fall into the hands of the next black regime.

The plan was to ship the entire load to Chicago for decommissioning, but Maggie Thatcher had other ideas and so just before she left office she signed an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR) document that listed them as being three cylinders! They were prepared and shipped in standard 20-foot sea containers from Durban to Oman without any security. There was a hidden observation window so that the core temperature could be checked as required.

The deal was arranged privately using British taxpayers money and involving arms dealer John Bredenkamp with the assistance of Sir Mark Thatcher and many high profile politicians. £17.8 million was siphoned off and went into the Tory Party Election Fund; which was exposed by the Labour Party in Parliament by Lord Doug Hoyle and Margaret Beckett MP and is listed in Hansard June 22 1993 from Column 197.

The nuclear bombs arrived in Oman and were put into an insecure compound and checked by Dr. David Kelly who had the responsibility to look after the weapons and check that they were in good condition prior to the release of the money. (So you see dear Dr. Kelly knew too much). Some time later the three weapons were stolen by the same arms dealer, John Bredenkamp, and sold on the black market. It was believed that these weapons found their way to Iraq, but were then moved into Syria in three ambulances as they were highly mobile.

Apparently

Any links to documentary evidence of any aspect of any of that?

and the purpose of the trip was to purchase three, battlefield ready 20kt nuclear bombs that the Conservatives wanted to use on Saddam in the event he did not toe the line.

😆 and 🙄

Any links to documentary evidence of any aspect of any of that?

Don't be daft

All that's missing is Elvis, Lord Lucan and Shergar from the evil plot.

That really is bollocks.

Why would you issue an UOR and then do everything else under the radar?

The shite about the shipping containers as well!

Umop - adult Jackanory; no more, no less!

Poor Dr Kelly. It still amazes me that Blair could press sanction to bump someone off so openly and obviously and get away with it.

Apparently

If someone had told you a few weeks ago Thatcher was on the brink of calling a state of emergency and bringing in troops for the miners strike, would that have also instantly been dismissed as dangleberries?

What reason is there for a continued nuclear program?

nearly fell for that then read who the ok was 😉 , excellent as ever.

bringing in troops

Yes, to drive the trucks.

you fools always looking at the smoke screen fed to you from your givt approved media sources.
You need to look at the real culprits here and the real people* behind it

* they are not people they are reptiles but you people cannot handle the truth

It's a well-known fact among the miners and their supporters that non-uniformed military police were seconded to support the civillian forces during the atrike.

I'd like one, but I don't have the space.

non-uniformed military police

So how do you spot them?

What did they actually do?

They were recognised by family members.

anyway back to the OP with the people who have them

We still maintain a nuclear arsenal because the govt. doesn't trust the govts. of other nuclear powers.

Does the UK still have any nuclear bombs or are we solely a missile power?

Yep, it's been a poor year for lying Tory scumbags, what with the Hillsborough revelations and the truth about the miner's strike finally coming out in the open.

As to nuclear, it'll destroy humanity eventually.
People make mistakes, it's inevitable. Just a case of when, not if.

Don't be daft.
Sir Mark Thatcher would never do anything like that.
He is such a nice guy.
He must be because he's a lord.
Can someone again please remind my why an arms dealing coup starting rat becomes a lord?

non-uniformed military police

Do they wear uniforms on their day off?

A poor year? They've been getting away with murder, aided and abetted by their lib-dem henchmen.

To clarify the uniform issue; the MPs were issued with civillian police overalls. That was the major reason for the furore at the time about the police identifying numbers not being publicly displayed at Orgreave and other clashes.

Oh, I agree.
This lot are far, far worse than that woman and her acolytes.

But no-one cares anymore. Apathy in the face of attack, combined with the creation of a new disenfranchised, depoliticised underclass ensures that they can exploit the country for their own good, without any chance of being called to account.

ohnohesback - Member
A poor year? They've been getting away with murder, aided and abetted by their lib-dem henchmen.

Did you invade somewhere (well 2 places) again, did they present complete and utter crap to parliament to justify invading somewhere ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier)? Did they deregulate the financial sector and look at building an economy on the city? Did they impose tuition fees? try and scrap a 10p tax rate?

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Under the UN radar, South Africa, with the help of Israel, developed ten bombs and test fired one at Prince Edward

Suppose they had to aim at something.

Why exactly would we be buying nukes from SA in 1989, when we had good stocks of our own WE177 tactical warheads (which are now all decommissioned)?

Sounds like utter testes, frankly.

Why exactly would we be buying nukes from SA in 1989, when we had good stocks of our own WE177 tactical warheads (which are now all decommissioned)?

Regards having our own WE177's:

plus of course access to a more than extensive NATO shared stockpile of all sorts and sizes of tactical nuclear weapons!

Regardless of availability of weapons through official channels, deals of this nature are often for diplomatic purposes to open trading avenues and in this case, allegedly a means of securing back door funding for the party.

Could this be relevant?:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8521641/David-Cameron-rules-out-further-inquiries-into-death-of-Dr-David-Kelly.html

When a conspiracy is declared it can never be disproved.....

When a conspiracy is declared it can never be disproved.....

Often they can be disproved; you're welcome to do so with this one if you have legitimate materials to achieve that end 😉

Often they can be disproved; you're welcome to do so with this one if you have legitimate materials to achieve that end

deals of this nature are often for diplomatic purposes

Buying nuclear weapons? yeah cause we do that all the time 🙄

Come for the bike chat, stay for the preposterous conspiracy theories that Dan Brown & Jeffrey Archer would turn down.
Where's my "I like Icke" badge gone?

On the OP's question, if Hollywood tells us anything, then crouching in a 50s American fridge will provide sufficient blast protection.

Conspiracy theories summarised.

Often they can be disproved; you're welcome to do so with this one if you have legitimate materials to achieve that end

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