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JY from memory we have had 250,000 deaths in Iraq and 200,000 in Syria. The vast majority of both of those are from sectarian violence and Assad vs FSA/ISIS. Muslim on Muslim being my point rather than West vs Muslim.

No doubt at all that in Syria the number of people killed by Western Airstrikes is a tiny fraction of the 200,000 deaths.

ISIS has captured around 250-350 Christians from Assyrian villages and recently paraded captured Kurdish fighters in cages. I fear we will soon see a death video featuring these people, its being reported that there will be a mass killing after Friday prayers.

I think Kay Burley lost on that interview - summed up by her stupid grin when he walked off.

summed up by her stupid grin

I rather enjoyed that bit.

Those stats: I'm inclined to ask for the source, rather than just assume they're correct. It IS being posted by the Usual Numpty.

Really ? Even John Snow lost patience with CAGE.

yes, he gave pretty clear answers to the questions but she just kept banging on at him asking the same questions - not impressed with her attempts at being a heavyweight but failing.

plus his statement "So your question is inherently Islamophobic and racist."

was true.

iraqbodycount.org, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, UN, various news services ....

jambalaya

Until Iraq and Iran really did have chemical and nuclear weapons deployed by long range missiles like North Korea ?

They (Iraq) really did have chemical weapons. West Germany sold them the chemicals. The CIA helped them to develop the weapons, and CIA advisers told them exactly where in Iran to drop them.

That's in addition to the $1billion in aid given by Reagan/Rumsfeld in the form attack helicopters and tanks, and $25billion in weapons the French sold Saddam.

Turner - I think we'll have to disagree about clear answers then, very evasive and just general statements in my book.

I appreciate that jimjam, you can use Chemicals for different things - fertilizer for example makes truck bombs. The point was mostly intended to be about the nuclear side and the long range rockets.

They (Iraq) really did have chemical weapons. West Germany sold them the chemicals. The CIA helped them to develop the weapons, and CIA advisers told them exactly where in Iran to drop them.

That being the case, is a statement like this entirely correct?

Muslim on Muslim being my point rather than West vs Muslim.

jivehoneyjive

That being the case, is a statement like this entirely correct?

Muslim on Muslim being my point rather than West vs Muslim.

More shades of grey than a warehouse full of smutty books.

So just looking up iraqbodycount (IBC) article (and remember this is an anti-war website)

During the UK action in Iraq (period 2003-2011) the website accounted for 350 civilians killed as a result of British action. This is over a period of some 150,000 casualties. Just look at the last couple of days, air strike deaths at 10%-20% of the total number of casualties and most of those (IMO) are ISIS/AlQ combatants.

[url= https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/killed-by-uk-forces/ ]IBC link[/url]

ambalaya

So just looking up iraqbodycount (IBC) article (and remember this is an anti-war website)

During the UK action in Iraq (period 2003-2011) the website accounted for 350 civilians killed as a result of British action.

I'm afraid you can't (or you shouldn't) separate out a specific figure for people killed as a direct result of UK action separate from that of the US, or indeed militants who flooded into the country to do battle with them.

Bush an Blair went to war based on lies. Blatant lies. Five months after they had destroyed the country's government and military structures Abu musab al Zarqawi's group appear in Iraq and start attacking western troops and Shiite civilian groups.

so i read the first page, im also part way through reading Clovers link, all very interesting.

then on P2. JHJ starts. I have no interest in reading about religipeadoroyalalienconspiracybolleax

If there is any content between p2 and here that i am missing out on, please print it and send it to me.

another thread ruined. *slow hand clap*

Some interesting things in a Guardian piece. Not least how people are renouncing foreign citizenship to stop their British passports being taken away. Seems MI5 where 100% right (JY 😉 ) to be closely monitoring the group Emwazi was associating with.

[i]In January 2012, Berjawi was killed in a US drone strike in Somalia. A few hours earlier, his wife had given birth to a child at St Mary’s hospital in west London, prompting suspicions among his associates that his location had been pinpointed as a result of a telephone conversation between the couple.

The following month, Mohamed Sakr, who had been Berjawi’s next-door neighbour when they were growing up in London, was also killed in a drone strike in Somalia. Although born in Britain, Sakr’s parents were Egyptian, and the UK authorities regarded him as a dual national. Like Berjawi, he had been stripped of his British citizenship shortly before the US drone strike. His parents promptly flew to Cairo and formally renounced their Egyptian citizenship, to prevent their two other sons from being deprived of their British status.[/i]

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/26/cold-sadistic-and-merciless-mohammed-emwazis-journey-to-jihad ]link[/url]

I have no interest in reading about religipeadoroyalalienconspiracybolleax

Glad to hear it, you should give documented history a try...

@jj here's a photo for you. Our friends from CAGE with John Rees from Stop the War Coalition who arranged the pro Gaza rallies in London last year. I suppose we know who he's in coalition with now.

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This is the key paragraph:

Despite this surveillance, local police in west London suspect that he engaged in a series of petty crimes. In 2010, he was charged with possession of a number of stolen expensive bicycles. One of the charges alleged that he “acquired criminal property, namely a Cannondale Bad Boy bicycle”.

^^^^ hes got a beard, stone him!

ambalaya - Member

@jj here's a photo for you.

Quereshi just went into the realms of fantasy with his defence of Emwazi. If he had even tried to temper his viewpoint considering the guy has been identified as sawing off people's heads he might have been slightly credible. But he didn't, and I think he's sunk any, even the merest hint, that MI5 may have contributed to his radicalisation.

One of the charges alleged that he “acquired criminal property, namely a Cannondale Bad Boy bicycle”.

He's probably upgraded to a [i]Cannondale Homicidal Maniac[/i] by now.

[i]Among the 17,049 civilians recorded killed, many deaths were attributable to the actions of specific armed groups while the perpetrators of many killings remain unknown. 1,748 civilians were reported killed by Iraqi military air strikes, while 4,325 were killed by ISIS. A further 10,858 civilians were reported killed by unidentified actors, where it has not been possible to establish which of the major actors, or possibly other, less well-identified groups, were involved. 118 civilians were reported killed by US-Coalition air strikes, the first time since 2011 that civilian deaths have been directly attributable to US-Coalition actions.[/i]

17,049 civilian casualties in Iraq in 2014. 118 of them as a result of US air strikes the first such deaths since 2011. Source: iraqbodycount.org

Would that be "documented history" by any chance? 😆 😆 😆

Seems quite well researched, but certainly some questions need answering:

A further 10,858 civilians were reported killed by unidentified actors, where it has not been possible to establish which of the major actors, or possibly other, less well-identified groups, were involved

I'd also appreciate a bit more background to this:

They (Iraq) really did have chemical weapons. West Germany sold them the chemicals. The CIA helped them to develop the weapons, and CIA advisers told them exactly where in Iran to drop them.

Careful now Whoppit as he follows that up with true facts

I think we may have found a replacement for Fred, possibly with a similar affliction, poor chap.

Edit: correction

I'd also appreciate a bit more background to this:

They (Iraq) really did have chemical weapons. West Germany sold them the chemicals. The CIA helped them to develop the weapons, and CIA advisers told them exactly where in Iran to drop them.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20553826 ]Here's[/url] a link from the BBC. You'll see in the side notes a bit of detail which states

Who supplied the chemicals?

Precursor chemicals and manufacturing equipment came from a variety of sources - the government of Iraq had a great deal of indigenous capacity for manufacturing the weapons
Many of the shells found at Halabja have Soviet markings
With regard to Western companies, there is data pointing to 85 German, 19 French, 18 British and 18 US suppliers

Christine Gosden, Liverpool University

Have a look [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_weapons_program ]here[/url] [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_biological_weapons_program ]and here[/url] too.

Feel free to contact iraqbodycount.org to ask for verification of their stats. Remember its an anti-war site so it's likely to try and keep the numbers as high as possible.

Feeling rock solid on these facts btw. Happy Friday.

@jimjam - we know the West and Russia sold lots of weapons to Iran and Iraq. Conventional weapons, not chemical.

@jimjam - we know the West and Russia sold lots of weapons to Iran and Iraq. Conventional weapons, not chemical.

Why do you post nonsense like that in the vague hope that it will go unchallenged?

Admittedly it is tedious to constantly correct your false claims, is that the strategy - carry on doing it until no one bothers anymore?

[i][b]The US provided less conventional military equipment than British or German companies but it did allow the export of biological agents, including anthrax; vital ingredients for chemical weapons; and cluster bombs sold by a CIA front organisation in Chile

A 1994 congressional inquiry also found that dozens of biological agents, including various strains of anthrax, had been shipped to Iraq by US companies, under licence from the commerce department. [/i][/b]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/dec/31/iraq.politics

Such a shame we failed to find the chemical weapons they probably kept them with the weapons of mass destruction that we also failed to find.

Imagine if if they had secret nukes acquired by dubious means, they were formed by terrorists who went on to be their leaders and they still did state sponsored assassinations of elected leaders on foreign soil whilst stealing land in wars and ignoring UN resolutions.

Now their is a country one could support eh Jambalaya

Feeling rock solid on these facts btw

Ps I am as confident in my facts as I am in you ignoring them 🙂

Out of interest have they killed more Muslims than ISIS? I accept their per year rate is unlikely to be high but I would be surprised if the answer was no.

Some more back ground on CAGE.

Was originally formed by/in support of an ex Guantanimo internee.

Funded by Anita Roddick (Body Shop) Foundation (£120k) and Joseph Roundtree Foundation (£300k) amongst others

Amnesty International's head of Womens Rights resigned/was forced out in 2010 for speaking out against Amnesty's involvement with CAGE. Amnesty has worked closely with CAGE producing joint reports and published letters. Amnesty is now backpedaling furiously on it's involvement.

JY, as an aside in Iraq and Syria we have had something like 200,000-300,000 Muslims killed by other Muslims as a result of sectarian violence/civil war including at the hands of ISIS and Al-Q. As the head Imam in Paris said after Charlie Ebdo/Hpyerkache the Muslim community has suffered 95% (probably slightly too high but of the right order of magnitude) of the terrorist casualties. Assad has killed more Palestinians than has any other nation, the lady suicide bomber in jail in Jordan her husband blew up a Palestinian wedding, her explosives didn't detonate.

Always wondered who supplies the weapons in all these 'Muslim on Muslim conflicts'

What do Saudi Arabia do with all the arms provided by the UK for example?

One source of information in Syrian casualties linked below.

Aleppo has a large Palestinian population 22,000 deaths in that city alone.

[url= http://www.vdc-sy.info/index.php/en/ ]Violation Documentation Centre in Syria[/url]