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If I can fit two bikes, a dig and a couple of kit bags UN the back securely and under cover, I'd have one.
If I can fit two bikes, a dig and a couple of kit bags
it looks like it was an archaeological dig......from an 80s prediction of the future TV prog
Automan is considering legal action
60kwh battery, utilitarian and for Nissan Leaf money; sounds unlikely, but if it was true, I don’t care how Fugly it is, I’d be on it like a tramp on chips (or white lightning).
He’s not trying to convert coal rolling rednecks, it’s aimed squarely ar STW users.
Elon has clearly lost his mind. That’s the result of a lunatic tech bro who has never been told no by his minions.
Genuinely intrigued by this (I know one of the designers BTW)
kind of makes me think of this concept car from a couple of years back:
and also a bit of this:
They've just done what Jaguar have done for years and poached an Aston Martin design.
How quickly would the fire services be able to get you out of a car with laminated glass and steel bodywork that is resistant to 9mm ammo, when the lipo battery goes up in flames?
but then you post that Rivian and it just looks so BORING.
Not being a ‘car’ person as such I’ve still actually desired to own a few cars at times of life. 3 to be specific.
7yrs old I dreamed of owning a Datsun 240z. Never did.
21yrs old I wanted a MK2 VW Scirocco. Got one in my 40s 🤣
51yrs old earlier this year I saw the Rivian pickup. Want. Still want.
I like it. Totally fugly, and you'd not cry if you improved its looks by giving it a few character scars.
If it's stainless panels, then no paint to worry about, and the design of the rear means you can strap on a few 8x4 plywood sheets.
a car with laminated glass and steel bodywork
Perhaps you can step out, leave your lunch on the front seat and press a button to heat lunch up. I mean it *looks* like a microwave...
The future was told.
How quickly would the fire services be able to get you out of a car with laminated glass and steel bodywork that is resistant to 9mm ammo, when the lipo battery goes up in flames?
Probably not that hard to do tbh though if the battery is on fire and you're waiting on the fire brigade to arrive and get you out I suggest you would be better making peace with yourself because that's not going to end well in any scenario.
I'd say it's as dangerous as being trapped in a car with burning hydrocarbons sloshing about, at least with the batteries you could insulate the cabin from the worst of it. Maybe with a toughened cabin of some sort?
At least onlookers, or you can smash the windows if need be though. I'm not sure I like the idea of driving around in an amoured box unless I'm actually being shot at. Any idea why the lunatics built it like this?
I came here to rant.
Tesla are touting £30k for the Cybertruck
I take it all back, before I even get to type it.
Cost - isn't there some mega tax break for trucks in the US? I'm not sure the $30k price over there would translate well into £££'s.
Land Rover:- look at our new Discovery.
Tesla:- hold my beer.....
I don't understand the haters. I think it looks amazing. I love it.
I also think the smashed windows was a publicity stunt.
More importantly looks invisible to radar....
Tesla holds emergency meeting to restore credibility by coming up with a better design.
How quickly would the fire services be able to get you out of a car with laminated glass and steel bodywork that is resistant to 9mm ammo, when the lipo battery goes up in flames?
depends how this court case goes maybe:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tesla-driver-killed-fire-doors-model-s-trial-elon-musk-a9169691.html
That court case (respectfully to the deceased) is a load of shit. Doors on modern cars are rarely openable following a significant RTC, whether or not the door handles ‘self present’ or not. Like the fire service are gonna go; “doors won’t open chief!” “Ah well, let her burn then”. Likely the poor chap was incapacitated by the accident before the fire took hold, and if he wasn’t, then that’s horrendous, but no different to the potential of any other automotive accident.
Modern cars, so safe in RTCs now, do present the fire service with new and unique challenges. This is a more than acceptable trade off for the fact that they are SO much safer than they used to be. Accidents that would have been fatal or life changing 15-20 years ago are usually walked away from these days.
In a crash if the front driver door doesn't open at least one of the other 3 will.
Not necessarily.
Source; been to lots that haven’t over last twenty years.
Doors on modern cars are rarely openable following a significant RTC,
It's only anecdotal and I don't have stats but after "significant" rally rashes it never took more than pulling the lever and a good shove to get out. Even when crawling out of a window was easier because the doors were obstructed, the doors worked fine once the car was back on its wheels. I like having manual door levers and a manual window winder for the rear windows at least. The drill for getting out of a car if we ended up in a river or lake was to check which window winder still worked by opening a little, then waiting for the car to mostly fill up before winding down and swimming out.
Rally cars are SIGNIFICANTLY more structurally robust than normal road cars
Group N, nah, just a roll cage. Fact is that doors you would be surprised to be able to open, opened. Edit to add: standard doors, standard anti-burst locks.
I’ll tell the FRS to scrap their holmatros then, Edukator says it’ll be okay 😉
Edit; in what way is a full roll cage not ‘significantly more structurally robust’ than a car without one? (Not to mention welded seams, etc).
Rally cars are SIGNIFICANTLY more [s]structurally robust[/s] suitable for bragging about what an awesome driver you are than normal road cars
FTFY
That's just it, they will no longer be O.K. and will have to wait for the fire service whereas before the chances were a pull on the lever and shove got you out. What's more likely to work after a significant prang? A manual lock powered by the occupant or puny solenoid powered by an electrical system that requires metres of intact cables, a functioning battery and some electronics that haven't been deranged by the crash.
It’s nothing to do with the door locks. It’s whether the car body has deformed (and it takes surprisingly little visible deformation) to clamp the door firmly in the frame.
And I’m not posting this as any kind of fanboi of Teslas or pointless overteching. I like (old, proper) land rovers for goodness sake!
That I understand (in the absence of stats we'll have to agree to disagree about the proportion of accidents that leave the doors clamped shut) , what is new is that even if the doors aren't frimly clamped shut, it only takes a minor electrical failure to leave you stuck in the car.
Edit to answer your edit:
I like (old, proper) land rovers for goodness sake!
Have you retro-fitted anti-burst locks? 😉
Just smash the windows, they appear to be shit. 😉
minor electrical failure to leave you stuck in the car.
Which does seem daft, agreed. But the above case, a car hit a tree hard enough to disrupt automotive grade batteries; I think that the electrical failure could well be moot. The root cause is the crash, not the electrical system, surely?
Have you retro-fitted anti-burst locks?
My first one didn’t have them (and I had the occasional going round a corner over a bump door flinging open moment 😳) but my current one is a spring chicken 1986 model so came as standard with them 😂
Would the Cybertruck meet EU rules on outside of a car shape for pedestrian and accident safety? Are there such things - I mean, I thought there were, but perhaps not?
The root cause is the crash, not the electrical system, surely?
The electrical system is not the cause of the crash but I personally don't want to be reliant on an electrical system that is vulnerable in a crash to get out.
Edit, you're right Markie. Once upon a time they had to add big rubber bumpers to sell Porsches in the US. Now the Americans have to meet EU normes (which get stricter in 01/20) to sell in Europe.
Tesla already received 146,000 Cybertruck pre-orders just over a day
Well, thats the fanboys captured... whose left?
This guide suggests that the internal door handles should still work; break glass and utilise those is the advice. I presume they are mechanically linked? Never been in a Tesla so cant say for sure.
whose left?
Well I’m tempted at that price and I’m no fanboi. I quite like the ‘practicality before looks’ stance.
I just looked at a model 3, the handles are indeed completely flush.
With ordinary handles, unless the car had locked the doors before the crash a passerby could open them with just brute force and ignorance.
With these fancy things you will have to wait for the emergency services or find a large rock.
Form over function.
whose left?
Well I’m tempted at that price and I’m no fanboi. I quite like the ‘practicality before looks’ stance.
Ohh.. how much was the deposit? And when do you get it? Post pics 👍