[Closed] New MacBook Pro's

I did wonder if the discount on the top of the range Dell XPS locally was timed to the announcement.

Keep the faith fanboyz think of it as an investment...

I'm typing this on a MBP and use a Mac Pro at work. The new version of the MBP looks interesting, but if you have a new iPhone it seems you can't plug it in without an adaptor and you can't connect the headphones either. Plus, you can't use your iPhone headphones with the phone because that is the same port connected to the computer!

From reddit:

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and randomly this popped up in a feed
https://medium.com/charged-tech/apple-just-told-the-world-it-has-no-idea-who-the-mac-is-for-722a2438389b#.yl6hzgg1j
Yes I know I am due to be burned as a heritic for upsetting you all but how bad can that be 😉

Interesting to see that this thread and the Iphone 7 both seem to have the lack of gushing love that mac launches normally do.
Guess thats what the collective Meh on the share price was

It does seem apple isn't quite sure what it is doing at the moment,

I have an iPhone 6 and the contract expires soon, but i will probably just keep it as see no real benefit of going to a 7, i have replaced my 2009 MacBook pro but i bought a 2015 rather than one of the new ones, i get useful to me ports, SD card and USB. As for the price hike...

Curious to know what they plan to do with the three desktops. As the mini and the Pro are getting very old!

I think that, after this MBP (2012) and iPhone (6) die, I'm off.

There's nothing compelling for me any more, and that's in both Sierra and IOS. I'm liking all the Linux-ness of Win 10 now, and even the new Ubuntu is nice- and don't really like the way IOS has gone. For both to disappoint me at the same time is unprecedented.

Its more than that- the new MBPs aren't sufficiently upgradeable for me- this machine I'm on has had more RAM and an SSD from me, and runs well, and I know I'll get a few years out of it still. The new ones lack that, and I'm not willing to take the gamble at that price. In fact, I can't take the gamble- I couldn't afford one.

In fact, although its dodgy, I'd probably hackintosh a Thinkpad or Aspire laptop if this machine kicks it- at least then I'm not dongle-chaining, which would irritate me more than I think I can take.

The nicer things about IOS are just down to one, now- iMessage, and with better phone contracts, I can live without it.

This is a first for me, tbh.

Apple seem to be in the place now that MS were in after a good few of the Ballmer years. Cook has taken over, and like Ballmer at MS, has increased profits and been a steady hand. The only problem is, he doesn't have the innovation, creativity, vision or the cajones to take risks and drive the brand forward towards real innovation and new market sectors like Jobs and Gates did. The new man at MS has been trying to ready their situation and seems to be doing a good job, I wonder how long it will take before Apple realises what's going on?

[url= http://venturebeat.com/2016/10/25/why-tim-cook-is-steve-ballmer/ ]http://venturebeat.com/2016/10/25/why-tim-cook-is-steve-ballmer/[/url]

The iPhone/MBP disconnect is mental as well, if they knew they were about to release USB C only MBPs why not use that on the iPhone? It's a crazy lack of joined up thinking and, to me, demonstrate how far they've fallen.

The image on the previous page is weird though. If you're charing you're phone and using you're laptop, why would you want to plug your headphones into the phone? And didn't the iphone come with normal headphones and an adapter? I'm confused.

The more I look at the new 13" non touch bar pro, the more suitable it seems as a direct replacement for my 2012 Air. Smaller, more powerful, similar number of ports (though losing the SD reader kinda sucks). It kinda makes sense on it's own as a product.

The image on the previous page is weird though. If you're charing you're phone and using you're laptop, why would you want to plug your headphones into the phone? And didn't the iphone come with normal headphones and an adapter? I'm confused.

The new man at MS has been trying to ready their situation and seems to be doing a good job,

I went to the apple store today..... they had ONE new mbp on display (13" non-touchbar)

had a chat with the bloke:

Me: Have you got any of the 17" on display?
him: No
Me: Do you know when you are getting them?
Him: No
Me: I can't decide between a 1tb 13" or a 512 17". If I buy the 17", is the SSD user upgradable?
Him: Hmm, it used to be
Me: I know.... is it going to be in the new ones?
Him: It isn't in the macbook
me: I know, is it going to be in the new 17" mbps?
Him: I don't know.
Me: Ok, thanks for your help....

I'm an apple-phile, but there does come to a point that you have to declare that the emperor has no clothes on.

The 17" Macbook Pro that was discontinued in 2012? 😆

The image on the previous page is weird though. If you're charging you're phone and using you're laptop, why would you want to plug your headphones into the phone? And didn't the iphone come with normal headphones and an adapter? I'm confused.

I think the point is that those are the headphones that come with the iPhone 7 (with a lightning connector). And if you've got your phone plugged into your laptop, you then can't plug the headphones into either the phone (because the port is in use) or the laptop (because it doesn't have a lightning connector). On top of which you can't even plug the phone into the laptop without an adaptor anyway...

The new MBP without the touchbar has an upgradable SSD - see OWC teardown

http://venturebeat.com/2016/10/25/why-tim-cook-is-steve-ballmer/

that was a really interesting article, thanks

@doris (IMO) Gates was very far from visionary. He was a smart busnessman and recognised an exlucsive deal for his (really quite poor) OS was very valuable. Over the years he shut out competition via financial muscle - in 1985 I ran a DEC OS on my PC which ran 4 processes simultaneously, MS bought that OS and binned it as although it was streets ahead it did not have the benefit of the licensing exclusives he had elsewhere with DOS

What you are seeing with Apple is a computer market positioning which says their relative niche is where they want to be as its very profitable and a view that phones and tablets are they way forward

their relative niche is where they want to be

It's only profitable because of the cachet their devices have. If they lose that, they've not got much. And if this thread is anything to go by they're in a spot of bother in that respect.

Given all that cash they have they really ought to be putting it to work.

What you are seeing with Apple is a computer market positioning which says their relative niche is where they want to be as its very profitable and a view that phones and tablets are they way forward

I can't remember the last time I plugged my iPhone into the mac. I charge it on the mains and it syncs wirelessly.

So to all the apple users on here - would you be interested in a Surface style tablet/laptop device, like an iPad pro but that runs MacOS instead of iOS?

Hypothetically of course - I'm not Tim Cook honestly.

Not for me. I think touch has its place, but not much in my world.

And I can't stand fingerprint smears on monitors....uurggh!!

iPad running MacOS is exactly what I said the iPad should have been in the first place but with an interface that allows both touch and conventional kb+mouse interaction. But then I'm speaking as an ex-Apple user.

And I can't stand fingerprint smears on monitors

Me neither but somehow doesn't seem to be an issue on touch devices. I give it a wipe every few days. I was expecting it to be much more of a problem.

And I can't stand fingerprint smears on monitors....uurggh!!

So to all the apple users on here - would you be interested in a Surface style tablet/laptop device, like an iPad pro but that runs MacOS instead of iOS?

No, happy to not get smears all over the screen and as most applications don't really work as touch anyway not convinced.

So to all the apple users on here - would you be interested in a Surface style tablet/laptop device, like an iPad pro but that runs MacOS instead of iOS?

Probably. I do music so my main requirements are connectivity - firewire soundcards, USB drives, HDMI monitor etc - and CPU power/RAM (to run various synths and plugins). And I want to be able to take it to another studio and plug it in there.

A touchscreen might be quite nice - there are lots of great music apps that make use of the iPad's touchscreen.

So yeah, probably. But as mentioned elsewhere, the build quality of MacBooks means my 2015 model will probably see me through the next 4 or 5 years!

iphone sales are down and the lack of massive enthusiasm from the traditional buyers isn't good. What is actually innovative in the new stuff? What is actually a backwards step? Another lad in the office was saying how he normally buys one each year then trades up - not convinced this year.

in the music world I follow, it's always been accepted wisdom that you just get a mac. My timeline is usually full of overpaid producers off to buy the latest Apple thing on day 1 - this year it's they're all complaining that Apple have lost the plot and saying they'll skip this version...

Possibly molgrips - however I don't like laptops, I am desktop plus tablet/phone so won't pay a laptop premium (hence my ancient 2009 Mini). iPad Pro is too big imho. I'd also be suspicious that a non-Apple machine would run iOS properly.

Lots of talk of Mac OS becoming more like iOS which for me seems a step backwards in terms of functionality.

Anyway £2k plus for a laptop is bonkers but we have become normalised to £700 for a "phone"

I am desktop plus tablet

Point is you can have one device that could do both.

I think apple could easily develop one if they felt like it.

The only problem is, he doesn't have the innovation, creativity, vision or the cajones to take risks

I think removing the 3.5mm headphone jack was universally acknowledged as quite risky 😉

I too was underwhelmed by last week's Apple launch; is there really such a huge market of people wetting themselves about Emojis?!

At the same time, Microsoft launched something that looks very cool...

So to all the apple users on here - would you be interested in a Surface style tablet/laptop device, like an iPad pro but that runs MacOS instead of iOS?

Nope. It'd be as good as useless for what I do. Touchscreen is for doing your shopping, and asking your mates 'U OK HUN X? X, not actually getting stuff done.

At the same time, Microsoft launched something that looks very cool..

A load of useless 'cool' gimmickery, thats looks as good as useless at actually producing the type of work that is generally done on high end Macs.

MacOS instead of iOS

Big ipad pro big enough for me.

I read an interesting article this morning saying how Apple is basically in limbo now, waiting for iOS and tablets to fully supersede MacOS and desk/laptops, which gives MS a bit of an opportunity to muscle in.

I think the differences in operation are too fundamental to mix input style and OSs (but what do I know?)

Even tighter integration between ipad and pro laptop would be good.

That's what the keyboard's for innit. I use it in touch mode for some stuff, laptop for others.

Never realised Apple owners were so conservative 🙂

I do wonder how many artists/designers do use stylii on tablets instead of paper.

Nope. It'd be as good as useless for what I do. Touchscreen is for doing your shopping, and asking your mates 'U OK HUN X? X, not actually getting stuff done.

A load of useless 'cool' gimmickery, thats looks as good as useless at actually producing the type of work that is generally done on high end Macs.

Once you get something right, there's only so much you can do with it. See ipod.

The trick is knowing what to say 'no' to, and the vision for your next product.

Just makes me sad all over again that Uncle Steve had to go.

Never realised Apple owners were so conservative

That is (was) the exact point: you didn't need to be a cutting-edge early adopter to get the original iPhone. Even my mum could use it.

Never realised Apple owners were so conservative

We're not. Its about using the correct tools for the job. I've presently got a 17" Macbook pro on a stand with my colour palettes, tools, swatches, co-ordinates etc on, plugged into a 27" studio display with my main work on. I can't reach either of them. I've a remote keyboard and mouse sat in front of me. Go in design studios all over the world, and you'll see similar set-ups.

Where does touch screen gimmickry fit in to this?

it doesn't!

They're tools, not toys!

Where does touch screen gimmickry fit in to this?

it doesn't!

Of course, there are lots of different ways to use tech, and not everyone uses all ways.

I forgot though that whatever binners doens't like is the worst thing ever and pathetic waste of humanity's time 🙂

The trick is knowing what to say 'no' to, and the vision for your next product

Yep.

Where does touch screen gimmickry fit in to this?

it doesn't!

They're tools, not toys!

Good question? I can't see myself ever using it. Maybe its a concession to keep the children amused?

Maybe its to keep the children amused

I forgot though that whatever binners doens't like is the worst thing ever and pathetic waste of humanity's time

If you went and asked any designer - proper ones who do it for a living - what they thought of that daft Microsoft thing, you'd find yourself being fixed with the exact same look of withering contempt

what they thought of that daft Microsoft thing, you'd find yourself being fixed with the exact same look of withering contempt

it all sounds a bit like when Jobs said it was cool it was like amazing like until then it's soooo wrong like

Binners, be interesting to see if they work it into the desktop keyboards or trackpads (presumably with a big price hike!)

If you went and asked any designer - proper ones who do it for a living - what they thought of that daft Microsoft thing, you'd find yourself being fixed with the exact same look of withering contempt

So the reviews from graphic designers are fakes?

How on earth haven't mikewsmith and molgrips been pulled up for trolling? At least molgrips' posts have an element of curiosity, but I don't think I've ever seen a thread about an Apple product where Mike doesn't show up to be all contrary. As far as I can tell, he's never owned an iOS or macOS device - am I wrong? - yet seems almost frantically compelled to 'save' the world from them. Is he on a retainer from Microsoft? Seriously, man, sit the **** down. Remember: he who hunts monsters should take care not to become one himself...

So the reviews from graphic designers are fakes?

I still don't really get the touch bar thing. Who actually looks at a keyboard when working? You need to take your focus off the screen and figure out what's on the touch bar and where to press each time you want to use it.

At least molgrips' posts have an element of curiosity, but I don't think I've ever seen a thread about an Apple product where Mike doesn't show up to be all contrary.