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Rayner has deputy sewn up… that’s the obvious plan behind her pinning her flag to the role so early, when others were talking about her trying for leader, no?
Typical Guardian bias against RLB.
Classic.
Typical Guardian bias against RLB.
Morning comrades. A question for you.... Can you pinpoint the exact stage that the Guardian, the Independent and Channel 4 news joined the the BBC and all the rest of the right-wing media in their conspiracy against the left?
It just seems that the Guardian giving RLB a full page editorial to launch her leadership bid doesn't seem to confirm their bias against her, to me?
Does it to you. Well... clearly it does. Can you explain why?
Feel free to reply from either inside or outside the bunker. Tinfoil helmet optional.
You may have missed the joke. i.e. that Long Bailey is Britains worst ever rapist and has also launched a wildlife disaster in Australia. Or it could read like that with a few movements of commas.
Eh?
not had the morning coffee yet?
explicit comma relocation:
"Britain's worst ever rapist, Long Bailey, launches bid and an unfolding wildlife disaster in Australia."
Its a good job it was in the Grauniad - a publication that has such an impeccable reputation for grammar, punctuation, spelling and prof-reading 😉
The current woes of the Labour Party have you in a permanent state of rant-readiness, Binners. 🙂
Its not just the labour party. I'm like that about pretty much everything at the moment fella 😉
You may have missed the joke. i.e. that Long Bailey is Britains worst ever rapist and has also launched a wildlife disaster in Australia. Or it could read like that with a few movements of commas.
I just saw it as a joke on the column layout.
Binrade reading too much into it.
Paranoid bunker mentality will do that.
Listening to RLB, her pitch is 'Jeremy was right about everything. The only reason we lost the election was because he was unfairly treated by the press'?
Brilliant! The next election is in the bag
.... for the Tories
I haven’t read her campaign launch piece in the Tribune yet (just like 99.99% of voters).
Sounds like it can be summed up in four words
"more of the same"
The 'logic' seems to be that in their hearts the whole electorate were and all massive enthusiasts for Corbynism and socialism, but they wouldn't vote for it because Rupert Murdoch said Jeremy was in the IRA. So if Jeremy leaves and we get that woman from HR in to say the same thing, we'll win with a landslide
Flawless!
Listening to RLB, her pitch is ‘Jeremy was right about everything. The only reason we lost the election was because he was unfairly treated by the press’?
I find RBL really hard listen to regardless of what she's saying. After a few minutes her words just sort of wash over me. I think John Crace said something similar in a podcast last month.
Is it just me?
I guess they're banking on appealing to members first (to become leader), then go for the electorate later.
Thing is - as a member, I'm now looking for someone who will appeal to the electorate. RLB isn't it.
I'd love it to be Clive Lewis from a personal point of view, but trying to predict who will appeal and who will be easy to dismiss isn't easy among the choice given so far.
RBL
Rebecca Bong Lady?
I find RBL really hard listen to regardless of what she’s saying. After a few minutes her words just sort of wash over me. I think John Crace said something similar in a podcast last month.
Is it just me?
Its not just you
She's from the same mould as Corbyn. He always sounded like a photocopier salesman at a conference in the East Midlands explaining, just after lunch, to a bored, sleepy audience the latest developments in toner cartidges.
She's exactly the same. A completely charmless, charisma-free-zone with all the soaring oratory skills of a fridge freezer. After a couple of sentences, its like listening to the teacher off Charlie Brown as you go sleepy-bo-bo's
Rebecca Bong Lady?
I need more caffeine.
Just read her Tribune piece. She won't be getting my vote but I'm sure the Corbyn fan club will love her.
Wrong-Daily is unelectable. Obviously Labour lost beacuse they weren't Left enough and she is the natural continuity candidate. She seldom comes across well on QT despite multiple visits and clearly needs presentation training (ala Margaret Thatcher). When will they realise that when you elect a joke candidate, you get... well a joke, obvously.
At least Starmer has the apparent debating ability to hold the government to account and is reasonably appealing to the middle voters. Thta makes him the most credible opposition leader. Much of that will be to hold the Government's feet to the Brexit fire. Of course the party members won't want that.
I despair of when I'll next vote Labour to be honest.
Bin - you know how you like to talk about car crash interviews. Your favourite is coming apart at the seams.
https://twitter.com/MomentumCV/status/1214486239262453760
Sympathetically for you I do hate those two doing the IVs.
Maybe being leader isn't as easy as you think?
Is it just me?
No it's not. She'd be good in a policy implementation role, but not on sales. Her policy priorities of a green new deal and being unashamedly pro-immigration are exactly as they should be. Hence why I think she should be shadow chancellor, in the McDonnell mould.
I don’t see anything wrong with that interview… can someone explain? The interviewer was on the same old “why did you stay in the party if you think the leader is a dud” line… and her answers seemed straight forward enough to me. Still don’t think she’s the right candidate… but it’s interesting seeing the responses to her.
I listened to RLB on Today and the reasons she gave on there (brexit and anti semitism) for the loss at the election are entirely different from the article in the Tribune
Good start
I don’t see anything wrong with that interview… can someone explain? The interviewer was on the same old “why did you stay in the party if you think the leader is a dud” line… and her answers seemed straight forward enough to me. Still don’t think she’s the right candidate… but it’s interesting seeing the responses to her.
Wrong with it ? - she didn't string anything together that was comprehensible or consistent. And this is just the start. She also didn't deflect her position appropriately.
They are lightweight interviewers!
She's supposed to be good we keep getting told!
can someone explain?
Well a couple of things, one it would appear that she went back on her proclamations about leaving the party on principle after she realised it wouldn't be in her career interests, and secondly she's being put on the defensive by Susannah Reid, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it?
The problem for people like Phillips who were such vocal opponents of Corbyn is not that they didn't like him, but that they were so active in undermining him and the party, and then could barely contain their glee when he lost and they thought they'd won.
and then could barely contain their glee when he lost and they thought they’d won
Glee?!? FFS.
She seemed as downhearted and pissed off as I was when that exit poll came in, to be honest. And just as unsurprised. The only people claiming any kind of victory were those saying “we won the argument”, as the country is given over to at least five years of Johnson and his crew.
Kelvin - the fact that all the Corbynites absolutely loath her with such venom means she’s probably doing something right.
I suspect I’m not alone in that opinion
I don’t understand the hatred towards Jess Phillips. I mean, I know they hate pretty much everybody who isn’t deemed a true believer, but even so.
Mrs Binners - who pays attention to the news, but certainly isn’t political, is left leaning (in a centrist not a mental/Corbynite way) announced last night that she’s just joined the Labour Party, specifically to vote for Jess Phillips.
This would suggest that she possesses a broader crossover appeal outside the lefty hardcore. But then why on earth would the Labour Party want something like that? Maybe that’s why the sixth formers hate her so much? Much better to stick with the RLB style purity/continuity and permanent self-righteous, placard-waving opposition eh?
I don’t understand the hatred towards Jess Phillips.
Nor me. But I’m still far from convinced that she’s the right candidate. Just because the usual suspects are against her, doesn’t automatically make her the ideal candidate to take the Labour Party up past 40% support with the public (which, let us remember, should be the aim for any new leader).
Glee?!? FFS.
Future PM? She talks about trust, and how people hate politicians, and yet here she is displaying all the worst traits of the very thing she claims to be against. Laughing one minute when she's off camera, then putting on an act and turning on the faux emotion and outrage. And she claims to be the authentic option?
Well, if she was watching the C4 show while waiting to come on air, she was probably alternating between crying and laughing at that point. I was. And pretty soon switched over to the drier BBC coverage.
I still can’t disagree with anything she says in the clip. I’m far from convinced that she is the right person to broaden the appeal of the party though, I feel she could alienate as many people as she can win over. Maybe that’ll change during the leadership campaign proper, but I doubt it.
But I’m still far from convinced that she’s the right candidate.
Same here. I really like her, but I think Kier Starmer would still be best overall as he's got the gravitas that would terrify Dom and Dommer.Johnson is so lightweight and performs very badly when actually being challenged and held to account, which I think Starmer would do very effectively
I am most definitely convinced that RLB would finish off the party for good though. The delusion and denial is absolutely staggering. Those at the top of the labour party (who lest we forget, are the still the same people who delivered the worst election result since the 1930's) still seem to believe that if they paint a smiley face on Corbynism that it can win an election.
It can't.
I’m far from convinced that she is the right person to broaden the appeal of the party though
She's the most divisive of all the candidates. Where the rest are encouraging unity and rejecting infighting (see RLBs admonishment of a left-activist on twitter today), she's still trumpeting how she stood against Corbyn. She also has no policies or vision, absolutely nothing other than weak platitudes about trust and authenticity which she can't even demonstrate herself. The only reason some like her is because she's the numero uno 'I hate Corbyn' candidate.
but I think Kier Starmer would still be best overall as he’s got the gravitas that would terrify Dom and Dommer
Christ we're not actually going to be on the same side are we?
In a truly terrifying development, I think we might
The Starmer/Raynor combination looks to be the “best” outcome, looking at the current options. I still feel that Starmer would make a good PM, but doesn’t have what it takes to win a general election… let’s see how he comes across during the campaign proper. Lewis still has an outside chance… when RLB has to engage during the campaign, he will pick up a lot of votes from those who currently might reluctantly back her. When do we hear who the unions have blocked from running?
Yes Starmer/Rayner, with RLB shadow chancellor, Thornberry shadow foreign sec and maybe even Cooper as shadow Home sec. Actually to be truly radical they could create a new post of joint shadow chancellor and climate change, sending a signal that combating climate change is top priority, and is completely integrated with economic policy. This would also keep the left happy in the knowledge that their candidate is at the head of policy on the two most important subjects.
I'd be surprised if Lewis gets enough nominations to make the ballot.
with RLB shadow chancellor
I’m still not sure if you keep saying this as a joke/wind-up or not. Making RLB shadow chancellor wouldn’t be any better than making her leader… it is the policy brief that voters are most sceptical of as regards Labour currently… handing it to her would be the worst signal the party could make to those that need to be won over to voting Labour.
it is the policy brief that voters are most sceptical of as regards Labour currently
You disagree with prioritising climate change? That's basically her major policy. The climate emergency will be even more of an issue come the next election. Not only is it abolutely necessary, it's a vote winner. I really don't know what policies you think would be unpopular, so please enlighten us. The main policy voters were against was their brexit policy, not the green new deal (or industrial revolution as labour put it, but it's essentially the same thing).
I voted Labour.
I’ve accepted that not enough others did, and that the party needs to change, especially as regards nationalisation and how it prioritises spending commitments. I’m sure it can do so without dropping climate commitments. Making RLB shadow chancellor would keep away those that think Labour is too concerned with an ideological return to public ownership… that isn’t me… it’s people who didn’t vote Labour last year.
I know you did. I don't however know which of RLB's policies which she's declared will be her priority you are against.
Making RLB shadow chancellor would keep away those that think Labour is too concerned with an ideological return to public ownership…
Have you read her Tribune piece? She doesn't mention nationalisation or public ownership once. She mainly talks about green new deal, devolution of power and investment in the regions, and no return to dog-whistle anti-immigrant politics. Have I missed something?
What are voters wary of?
- Using nationalisation in too many areas.
- Multiple large unfocused spending commitments.
The brief where Labour needs to demonstrate a clean break is, at least symbolically, covered by the shadow chancellor. Giving RLB that role would fit into the “we won the argument, onwards with the project” signalling, and is doomed to failure when it comes to winning over people who Labour need voting for them.