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Means the old one is so quiet!
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Quite tempted to cycle down the carriageway on the way home, though wonder if there will be flashing orange lights waiting for me!
I think that there probably would be,still tempting though 🙂
edit{ was there nae busses using it then?} edit
Pull a wheelie all the way across...
Am I correct in remembering that the new crossing doesn't have any cycle or pedestrian facilities on it?
Seems a bit of a step backwards that, compared to the old one with a pretty decent (for the UK) pedestrian/cycleway on each side.
I realise the old one isn't going anywhere just yet, but still... 🙁
fasthaggis - Member
I think that there probably would be,still tempting thoughedit{ was there nae busses using it then?} edit
Think that happens later. Initially closed to all traffic except bike and foot.
New bridge is a motorway, cant have cyclists or pedestrians on it, old one isn't.
Seems a bit of a step backwards that, compared to the old one with a pretty decent (for the UK) pedestrian/cycleway on each side.
yep and it still will and will be open for use for exactly those purposes !
the new one has been classified a motorway so they don't have to make ped/cycle provision, rather than vice versa. There is no intrinsic requirement for motorwaying it. Hrmph
New bridge is a motorway, cant have cyclists or pedestrians on it, old one isn't.
The old one is dual carriageway A(M)-style, the pedestrian/cycle provision is entirely separate from the roadway, as it [i]could[/i] have been on the new one if they'd cared to plan for it.
the new one has been classified a motorway so they don't have to make ped/cycle provision, rather than vice versa. There is no intrinsic requirement for motorwaying it. Hrmph
Hrmmph indeed, imagine having a separate bridge (which was already there) for cyclists and pedestrians. Should have spent millions on knocking the old bridge down and adding more cost to the new bridge by adding dedicated cycling/pedestrian access in a position where they can take full advantage of the health-giving benefits of diesel and petrol fumes.
EDIT - my mistake, the old bridge will become a "public transport corridor" so buses, bikes and pedestrians still use it. So still some diesel fumes to deal with
BBSB: that's fine as long as they commit to keeping the old bridge open and in a state of good repair.
How many years before it becomes "uneconomical" to have a bridge that size just for buses and bike/foot traffic?
Why would they pay extra when there is a perfectly good bridge right next to it that cyclists and pedestrians can use? What next, modify the rail bridge?The old one is dual carriageway A(M)-style, the pedestrian/cycle provision is entirely separate from the roadway, as it could have been on the new one if they'd cared to plan for it.
The old one is also being kept so that it can be used when there is maintenance on the new one.
That's what I thought - old bridge to be bike+bus etc. bridge until it rusts too much.
Odd about the opening of the new one too. Open it, close it so they can do a walk on the new bridge, close it again for an opening ceremony, open it again, close it again. Then open it properly.
Can't they just have the sponsored walks and opening ceremonies on the same day, and then open it to traffic? Or was the beeb story a bit misleading?
I'm sure the old one will get used when there are crashes/accidents/incidents on the new one
Why would they pay extra when there is a perfectly good bridge right next to it that cyclists and pedestrians can use?
Because, as anyone who has had the "road tax" argument knows, we ALL pay for roads (and bridges), including cyclists and pedestrians.
The current situation is fine, but fast-forward a decade or two and people will be questioning why they are paying so much money keeping an ageing second bridge open and maintained just for buses and cyclist/pedestrians.
I always thought this with Second Severn Crossing (the old one even though also a motorway has a segregated pedestrian/bike path but the new one doesn't). For the SSC I can only assume that it's because after the bridge (Welsh side) there's still only motorway for quite a way so they wouldn't have had a simple connection - maybe that's the case for the new Forth bridge? If not then it's a stupid design decision not to have a bike/pedestrian path.
...and the prize for the first breakdown goes to..
[url= https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/500292/queensferry-crossing-lorry-breakdown-leaves-drivers-queuing-back-halbeath/ ]An HGV[/url]
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and as contingency for closures on the new bridge.an ageing second bridge open and maintained just for buses and cyclist/pedestrians.
I'm sure I read it originally had pedestrian and cycling provision, but was cut to save money. When I first saw that walk the bridge thing I was surprised they were making such a big deal that this is your one and only chance to cross on foot, like it was a good thing they left paths at the side out. As above, if they keep the other bridge open then fine, but bridges don't last forever.
contingency for closures on the new bridge
I wonder how many other places keep a spare bridge handy just in case 😆
IME a good percentage of the closures of the old bridge were due to high winds and bad weather anyway.
That's what I thought - old bridge to be bike+bus etc. bridge until it rusts too much.
Actually, this means they can repair the old bridge properly, instead of a rushed bodge (a very good bodge, mind) because it had to be reopened ASAP.
The new bridge has no cycling/ped infrastructure cause it doesn't go anywhere near towns, villages, inhabited or anything else type areas.
FRB - links two towns South and North Q'Ferry.
QFXing - takes a spur off the M90 and links to the M9. Why would you want to walk or cycle there?
Isn't it the case the new one has side wind protection so speeds can be higher.
Love the moan about the breakdown 🙄
I wonder what'll happen to a high sided vehicle in crosswinds.
Would it be foolish to assume the new bridge will outlast the old bridge?
Actually, this means they can repair the old bridge properly, instead of a rushed bodge (a very good bodge, mind) because it had to be reopened ASAP.
..and they plan to increase the life of the old bridge by removing all those padlocks 😉
Also the old bridge's lifespan's increased massively by reducing the load on it, one of the reasons it needed replacement was that it was way way over its planned capacity (the cable corrosion I think has actually been solved?).
The new bridge should outlast the old though so there's still going to be a gap in the future. Or maybe we'll all just teleport over by then.
Heh, just made the mistake of reading the Scotsman comments section on this 🙂
Can I just be the first to say "bloody SNP!" I am sure it will appear at some point. Rumour is that they are keeping two bridges to facilitate the return of Fifers before dark as smoothly as possible.
[b]The Return Of Fifers Before Dark[/b]
Good movie title right there 😛
There's a bridge from Denmark to Sweeden where cyclists have to take the train as there is no cycleway.
The maintenance costs for the exisiting bridge will reduce dramatically once there is limited traffic on it. It will be the same maintenance staff/operating company covering both road bridges so probably not much of an overall increase in costs between running one massively overused bridge and two within capacity.The current situation is fine, but fast-forward a decade or two and people will be questioning why they are paying so much money keeping an ageing second bridge open and maintained just for buses and cyclist/pedestrians.
Edukator - Reformed TrollThere's a bridge from Denmark to Sweeden where cyclists have to take the train as there is no cycleway.
And tbh, that could make a lot of sense here too- a shuttle from civilisation to civilisation, rather than a huge loop through nowhere.
Isn't it the case the new one has side wind protection so speeds can be higher.
So won't need [url= 
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they just don't build them like they used to, 127 years since the Forth rail bridge was completed
There were high hopes in Kirkliston that the opening of the new bridge and associated infrastructure might ease the chronic congestion we seem to experience as all of Fife uses the village as a rat run to West Lothian.
Traffic conditions as of 3pm this afternoon - Backed up as far as the eye can see... 🙄
Aye,but it gives the kids of Cheesetoon something to watch at the crossroads. 😉
If the new one is a motorway, how do learner drivers cross the Forth?
Traffic conditions as of 3pm this afternoon - Backed up as far as the eye can see...
Induced demand... make it easier for people to travel by car and more will.
yourguitarhero - Member
If the new one is a motorway, how do learner drivers cross the Forth?
From some time in 2018, learner drivers (in dual control cars with a qualified instructor present) will be able to drive on motorways. [url= https://www.gov.uk/government/news/learner-drivers-will-be-allowed-on-motorways-from-2018 ]Source.[/url]
I don't know about other learners and other vehicles prohibited from driving on motorways. Perhaps mopeds and people being taught to drive by their parents will be allowed onto the old bridge?
No reason for a learner in a car to cross the bridge really... Should let ptws onto the old road bridge.
If the new one is a motorway, how do learner drivers cross the Forth?
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Clackmannanshire bridge or the Kincardine bridge.If the new one is a motorway, how do learner drivers cross the Forth?
The old bridge is/will be open to non motorway traffic atleast that was the plan?
So...
Tractors local traffic non learners etc bikes peds busses etc on the old bridge.
If the new one is a motorway, how do learner drivers cross the Forth?
Why would we want the next generation of Fifers learning how to escape?
The old bridge is/will be open to non motorway traffic atleast that was the plan?So...
Tractors local traffic non learners etc bikes peds busses etc on the old bridge.
And every wise guy from Fife with a passenger and L plates fitted even though they have a license 😀