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If you’re suggesting Scotland is less racist than England you are stupid. Sorry if that sounds rude but its the best I can do.
No, I'm well aware that Scotland also has problems with racism.
The difference is that Scotland isn't so committed to their racism that they are prepared to commit economic suicide to achieve their racist ambitions.
Who knows, maybe Scots are just as racist as the English but we're too tight to do anything about it.
Getting a bit off track but calling "the English" racist really isn't on and is racist. There is a vocal minority but England is the chosen home for proportionally far more foreign people than any other home nation, and more than the European average. There are some racists but it is demonstrably not a racist nation.
It’s tribal
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“The English” What all of them? Ignorant, offensive othering and stereotyping. Well done you.
Ignorant, offensive othering and stereotyping is OK on this forum. Well, the mods seem to think so anyway.
I’m not going to even try to engage with that hate filled bile. You know nothing about me. Have a nice day.
'Oooh, I'm too high minded to engage in debate after deciding to jump in on a thread that calls the majority of the Scottish population bigots.
I'm just going to have a quick snipe and then flounce off.'
And here we go… as an English man living in England I’m happy to report that the people I know aren’t racist. But when it comes to UK politics, anti immigrant feeling in England has driven the policy of subsequent UK governments. So, I can no longer pretend that the people I know are representative of the English in England, sadly. It’s a generalism, but UK politics centres around the desire amongst English voters to stick it to the non-English… and more and more people in Scotland are getting that message. It’s depressing, but pretending it isn’t true is pointless. As the Labour Party have admitted as they now try to align with the Conservatives on immigration to stand a chance of winning more English seats.
Getting a bit off track but calling “the English” racist really isn’t on and is racist. There is a vocal minority but England is the chosen home for proportionally far more foreign people than any other home nation, and more than the European average. There are some racists but it is demonstrably not a racist nation.
Agreed, a bit like referring to all Scots Nationalists in a similar tone, when you have no idea why someone wishes to have more of a say in their own nations affairs.
Getting a bit off track but calling “the English” racist really isn’t on and is racist. There is a vocal minority but England is the chosen home for proportionally far more foreign people than any other home nation, and more than the European average. There are some racists but it is demonstrably not a racist nation.
So you don't agree the Brexit vote was motivated by racism.
You don't agree the current government is racist?
You don't realise that the opposition just u-turned on FoM because they know that, because of the inherent racism, pursuing a policy of FoM is electoral suicide?
Read a newspaper, will you.
If you’re suggesting Scotland is less racist than England you are stupid
I suspect you have no evidence to support this assertion, just deflecting. My own experience as someone who moved to Glasgow as a young schoolboy with a Home Counties accent was the only concern was "Whit fitba team d'you support?" No one bothered about me being English.
My grandparents moved form Yorkshire to Glasgow in the 1940s and never left.
Go back further in my family history of mixed African heritage moving to Glasgow in the 1920s, again it wasn't a big issue.
If you want to discuss institutionalised English racism, start with Marcus Rashford and go backwards. I lived and worked in England for 33 years, an ex-colleague works in Whitehall addressing diversity and despairs.
I love the fact that someone starts a thread aimed at calling the majority of the Scottish population bigots and then people get all precious when someone comes along and tells them that actually, we didn't vote for all the bigoted shit that has happened over the last five years.
You guys did.
The Scots (and Welsh and NI) have a nearly unique situation where they get to be British when it suits and Scottish when it suits.
I can’t really think of another example from around the globe.
The English? 😉
It's all just playing with identity politics really.
"Nationalism" is a byword for tribalism and defining yourself by those you share the most in common with. Nationalism is easily conflated with a having concern for "the national interest" but they are not the same thing at all.
Nationalists seek to define 'their group' those they find acceptable and by extension 'everyone else'. They tend to be big fans of othering; projecting malicious intent and blindly malign motives onto those 'other' groups which they don't share a common identity with.
You'll often find there's a relatively narrow definition of "National identity" and "National values" and it's seldom very inclusive or progressive and is never as simple as just holding the same citizenship...
But it's also an easy, comfortable little rut for people to fall into, it offers a sense of community and belonging, a cause and even sense of righteousness if an individual is missing some those things. Nationalism often prays on people's social and political disenfranchisement and their sense of social/economic or political powerlessness and weaves the illusion that these things can be redressed through a more extreme counter movement.
"Nationalist" are always knocking about at some level, but it takes the right set of circumstances for them to gain a following and with it some influence. Enough people ned to feel disconnected from influence and opportunity...
As a case in point, back in 2016 about 52% of the British voting age public felt that way, now look at us...
kelvin
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Scotland is less racist than England. And less xenophobic. Happy to be called stupid.
Hiya stupid! :wave: 😆
England is the chosen home for proportionally far more foreign people than any other home nation
Australia, USA, !
A quick fact check of European countries says Holland has a higher proportion of immigrants than the UK. UK 16.4% Holland 19.4%