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Mine says Grandad Noel doesnt visit anymore She is 5 and was born a good 15 years after grandad Noel passed, shes also pretty good on the details of him.
I once had a wee up the side of Hardknott Roman Fort... then slipped and fell in it.
Angry Roman ghosts.
Makes you think eh?
Clover - that's the one, thanks. Remember thinking it was real creepy at the time. Nearly 45 years ago; how time flies!
My son used to see people in our old house when he was a kid - not scary type ghosts, just people. And he always used to see people wandering about in a field that we couldn't see. Found out only a few weeks ago that there is a burial chamber and signs of ancient habitation there.
My daughter used to ask 'who is the lady in the front room' when she was a nipper too. Of course no one was in there that we could see.
My theory (completely unverified and un researched, of course) is that all kids can see things like that until we start telling them that they don't exist, so they stop.
fatbobb - Member
...Found out only a few weeks ago that there is a burial chamber and signs of ancient habitation there.
Show me a place in Britain that [i]doesn't[/i] show signs of ancient habitation.
we've been living and dying all over this island for thousands of years.
or that kids have massive imaginations that adults over interpret
Has anyone ever tried to play pretend games with young kids[under 5] they are all over the place with huge leaps of "logic" and things that make no sense
Trying to interpret their "Play" as real and reality as false is pretty daft. if your theory is true then the force is real, and magic and telekinesis and almost everything else imaginable till we tell them otherwise
Ghosts dont exist only people who think ghosts exist are real.
Ghosts dont exist only people who think ghosts exist are real.
Prove it 🙂
Good point and understood, but don’t all things exist until discovered otherwise? A kid doesn’t know that ghosts, the force, telekinesis etc. don’t exist, so in [i]their[/i] reality they do. Is ‘reality’ an individual state (as in a child’s reality) or a ‘group’ state (i.e. an adult’s)
What about all the adults posted on this very thread – are we over interpreting their imagination too?
@ahwile – agree, just an illustration of my experience.
Which bit?
The later is considerably easier than the former 😉
don’t all things exist until discovered otherwise?
That is very poorly worded. No imagination does not make things "real" it just means you are pretending,
ghosts do exist, just not necessarily the spirit of great aunt sally come to communicate.
if you look at the research work done with infra-sound causing oscillation of the eye and the resultant grey ghosting in your vision, then it is easy to extrapolate, that on a stormy night, at the end of long corridor in a an old mansion that wind can cause low frequency reverberation of windows resulting in a "grey lady" being fleetingly seen.
It is an actual observed Item and as such "exists" its just not Timothy Claypole or the rest of rent-a-ghost 😀
^The burden of proof is on those who assert their existence. I've seen/felt a bunch of odd stuff over the years but am almost certainly inclined to believe these shadowy 'ghosts' to be hallucinatory, ie the result of my brain/eyes being subjected to incidental infrasound or similar. I can't prove it, especially after the facts. If on the other hand it turns out there is some quantum woo-woo...I wouldn't know where to begin with that.
don’t all things exist until discovered otherwise?That is very poorly worded. No imagination does not make things "real" it just means you are pretending,
Yes, that is poorly worded. Here it is again
Do all things exist until discovered otherwise? 😀
😆
A simple test:
[u][b]1. Mental health & medical condition[/b][/u]
Do you have mental health problem in your family (genetically). i.e. do you have schizophrenia, severe depression, hallucination etc in your family historicity?
[b][u]2. Environment[/u][/b]
Do you live in an area severely polluted by chemicals? i.e. fungus spore, toxic chemical, chemical waste in your location where you live or where built your house on?
[b][u]3. Habit[/u][/b]
Are you addicted to drugs? Marijuana, crack, medication etc?
[b][u]4. Upbringing[/u][/b]
Do you have proper upbringing? i.e. are telling lies encourage or simply ignore?
[b][u]5. Attention seeking[/u][/b]
Are you loved? Do you constantly crave for attention from your family members etc?
[b][u]6. Objective[/u][/b]
Do you gain anything by simply saying what you have seen? Do you earn money? Attention? Favour etc?
If you answer No to all the above then ...
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
you mean your eyes see a bunch of stuff moving which your brain [i]interprets[/i] as something that isn't actually there? Yeah I can certainly go along with that, what the brain sees, facial recognition, pareidolia, apophenia, is all interesting stuff.on a stormy night, at the end of long corridor in a an old mansion that wind can cause low frequency reverberation of windows resulting in a "grey lady" being fleetingly seen.
Growing up in quite a religious family/setting, the mix of "it's all a load of nonsense" and "don't mess with the occult, it's dangerous" comments could be quite interesting.
@ chekw...
quite a coherent post given the poster.... 🙂
*edit - my last response/post was in reply rich c's 'prove it'.
alpin - Member@ chekw...
quite a coherent post given the poster....
Interesting innit to see others so quick to dismiss something so quickly.
Sometimes it really gets me thinking how rational these people are. 😛
If they exist or otherwise this was done fascinating pre bed reading and I certainly had the spookier dreams last night.
Who knows but until a sceptic tells me what happens after death well I'll still be all ears to the idea of spirits etc.
One of my mates is really interested in ghosts and supernatural stuff. He contacted a local amateur paranormal investigation group a while back to go on some overnight visits with them. He's of the opinion that ghosts exist. After a few visits with them though he challenged them. He said that after one or two unusual but perfectly explainable incidents they were quite ready to label a place as verified by them as being haunted - they just discounted all reasonable suggestions of alternative possibilities to explain what had happened.
I think he left them after telling them he thinks they talk out of their...
Ive always been interested in the subject, despite having had no experiences myself. I can't believe that with so many stories from serious people, that something paranormal isnt occurring.
It's not like anyone can prove it one way or the other, but just seem too many situations and coherent stories to dismiss them all.
Apparently as a young child I used to talk to 'the old man' who lived in the spare room of my grandmothers house - needless to say, there was no [i]actual[/i] old man. I have the vaguest of memories of him - he looked a bit like the guy on the front of The Cure's 'Staring at the Sea' album. I never felt scared, he was just . . . there. I remember my mother's alarm when I told her.
Now I'm old and cynical, I still can't explain that. Perhaps, as has already been mentioned, young minds are more receptive and don't have the filters that we learn / are taught.
Our brains are great at filtering out what we don't expect to see.
That's one thing whilst scanning a scene looking for something else and where a gorilla is not important, but another entirely w when you are sitting at rest for extended time in your own house not doing much else.
hammerite - Member
I think he left them after telling them he thinks they talk out of their...
Tell your mate to do his own investigation. If he cannot see them directly then use a mirror to see them indirectly. Sometimes it works sometime it doesn't but just try not to make all sort of silly assumptions unless he is absolutely sure what he sees. Mirror in a dim lighted room can create shadow so try not to freak out. Apply all the scientific rules etc ...
Women are more likely to see them because of their negative energy while men is full of positive energy unless you are dying or in bad health, in that case you will have more negative energy.
Location wise ... hhmmm ... plenty in UK due to past conflicts. Go to area where there are less people but many death in the past. Try there. Or go to places of execution or witch burning whatever you lot loved in the past ... that should be fun.
If "they" follow you home don't blame me coz I will not be responsible for your fun time. 😛
For the skeptics try this go to places where there are suicide(s) then challenge the entity(s) to follow you home. Take the mickey out off it. Try it. If there is no such thing other than carbon dust then nothing will happen. Again, I ain't responsible for your fun. (at least give it a try ... then report back)
Women are more likely to see them because of their negative energy
You've met Mrs CB too then?
codybrennan - Member
Women are more likely to see them because of their negative energy
You've met Mrs CB too then?
😛 you sure it's not that time of the month? I meant "chi" ... no English term to describe them.
Is this "ghost" and "imaginary friend" the same?
wolfenstein - Member
Is this "ghost" and "imaginary friend" the same?
Not the same.
If kids play with toys by themselves they might have "Imaginary friend" ... just creative imagination.
But if they speak to someone while not playing toys then they might be speaking to "someone", you then go through my checklist.
until a sceptic tells me what happens after death well I'll still be all ears to the idea of spirits etc.
Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science
I can't believe that with so many stories from serious people, that something paranormal isnt occurring.
SO all we need is enough serious people to say it then its true
The problem her is the serious people - what exactly does this actually mean- are about 1% ghosts 995 not ghosts
It's not like anyone can prove it one way or the other,
We know this but what we do, for if we dont we have to accept anything is true - the only proviso being we have no proof of it!!!-
but just seem too many situations and coherent stories to dismiss them all.
Not one of them can be replicated under controlled experimental conditions
Have you seen magicians - tbh if they did not admit it was all tricks we could all easily fall for their tricks
There is no proof of ghosts there are only folk who want to believe.
Junkyard - lazarus
SO all we need is enough serious people to say it then its true
The problem her is the serious people - what exactly does this actually mean- are about 1% ghosts 995 not ghosts
No, you still go through my checklist.
Not one of them can be replicated under controlled experimental conditions
Yes, that's the standard line of argument but my view is that:
1. Somehow I think "they" do not want to become a circus act. Remember they were once like us.
2. I think the equipment we use to detect is not up to the job. i.e. why pump cash into advancing research into making instrument to detect them anyway? They are dead!
Hence, this topic will never be understood accurately.
There is no proof of ghosts there are only folk who want to believe.
Better that way coz knowledge can be a dangerous thing in the hand of the positivists.
Spooky reading is fun and get the heeby jeebies.
Not enough evidence otherwise we'd believe in Santa or Fairies!
Update.
The wife went to check on the boy when we went to bed last night. She was hit in the leg by a flying paint pot travelling at knee height. The boy was sound asleep and it didn't come from his direction. The paint pot had previously been in a sealed box.
The wife went to check on the boy when we went to bed last night. She was hit in the leg by a flying paint pot travelling at knee height. The boy was sound asleep and it didn't come from his direction. The paint pot had previously been in a sealed box.
Edit: actually. Even to you who I have known so long I think that joke might not really work that well.
Whilst I am a total sceptic and don't 'feel' or 'see' things, we did get locked out of our shop by a key turned in a mortice lock from the inside once. Things flew around a bit too. The shop was on Shoreditch High Street, so we'd put that down to traffic. Then there was the Strauss incident. My ex got a new CD player and was very proud. He put some Strauss on to test it. But we wanted to leave before the disc was finished. Turned it off. It popped back on again. After an off / on battle that lasted long enough for us to decide we weren't entirely in control, we left it on. Saying that it didn't matter as long as it was off by morning. Which it was.
It did feel as though the building grumbled a bit about our arrival, then kind of shrugged and let us get on with it, flying stuff diminished with time. Maybe it liked Strauss.
But I don't believe in ghosts per se. After all, a lot of people have died and surely there'd be more about if that's what happens to us. So it's down as an unexplained experience for me.
Let's see if the entity get a bit more aggressive. Sometimes they start slowly but gradually get worst.Harry_the_Spider - Member
Update.
There are more but they have moved on but some are also being "incarcerated". You do not have to believe in ghosts but you need to promise yourself (assume that there is ghost and if you die) that you will not come back to beg for "help" from, to attract attention or to make contact good or bad with the living.Clover - Member
But I don't believe in ghosts per se. After all, a lot of people have died and surely there'd be more about if that's what happens to us. So it's down as an unexplained experience for me.
Or looked at a bit more optimistically, you rustle the dust and then it settles. Having taken in some Strauss.
As an aside, the place was built in the 18th century from the remains of the previous church and over part of the graveyard. Anyone buried there would have predated Strauss. Among the denizens was Shakespearan actor Richard Burbage. I wouldn't have minded sharing a bit of romantic era music with him.
Clover - Member
Or looked at a bit more optimistically, you rustle the dust and then it settles. Having taken in some Strauss.
Or you can experiment with music by playing Babymetal's Gimme Chocolate at vol 9. See if the music stops?
As an aside, the place was built in the 18th century from the remains of the previous church and over part of the graveyard. Anyone buried there would have predated Strauss. Among the denizens was Shakespearan actor Richard Burbage. I wouldn't have minded sharing a bit of romantic era music with him.
That make sense. If you look at my check list that is one of the reason.
Anyway, try blasting Babymetal loud to see if you can "wake someone up" ... see if you get a slap or bruises appearing on your body. Introduce them to metal. i.e. see if Richard Burbage likes metal music.
The former caretaker at my mum's church has often been spotted apparently, despite being dead for 30 odd years. My mum said he used to spend all his time there dusting things and pottering about when he was alive to escape his ghastly family. After his death when his worst daughter moved away, and therefore left the church, he started to appear. Been spotted by loads of people including the yoga class who didn't know him when he was alive.
Nice bloke by all accounts, very friendly and he keeps the place tidy.
i have the opposite problem a messy ghost who leaves bike bits all over the house 😉
The daughter sounds like a nightmare whilst the caretaker just wants to in peace gardening. Most souls are fine sharing with people so long as they respect each others' space but if one side "demands more" knowing or unknowingly that's where the problem starts.Harry_the_Spider - Member
The former caretaker at my mum's church has often been spotted apparently, despite being dead for 30 odd years. My mum said he used to spend all his time there dusting things and pottering about when he was alive to escape his ghastly family. When his worst daughter moved away, and therefore left the church, he started to appear. Been spotted by loads of people including the yoga class who didn't know him when he was alive.Nice bloke by all accounts, very friendly and he keeps the place tidy.
She was horrendous. Used to bully him something rotten according to my mum, that's why he used to hide in the church. She married some poor sod and moved south leaving him, and everyone else, in peace.
We didn't try metal. An eclectic collection of English folk, Bach, romantics. My ex had a bit of a thing about Parsifal. I guess nothing was objectionable.
I've got pretty fond memories of the place, used to run a little gallery in it and it was lovely.
Funny thing about ghosts: why aren't there lots more of them?
Current world population is 7.4 Billion people and it's pretty crowded in some places - so considering how many people have lived and died through the millennia shouldn't we be seeing ghosts pretty much everywhere we look?
(And that's before we consider animal, plant and bacteria ghosts!)
My wife swears she has witnessed ghosts. She is "sensitive" to stuff like that. She claims to "feel" if something bad has happened in a place, and every time we look into it she's right. Has happened too many times now for me to completely dismiss it, though I would call myself a skeptic to the core...