[Closed] MP Sir David Amess - RIP -

I got a really good feeling about him when I heard him on a podcast earlier this year:

Hope he recovers.

Politically he's pretty much everything I oppose in the modern Conservative party but he deserves to be voted out, not stabbed, and I hope he pulls through and makes a full recovery.

Violence is never the answer.

Confirmed it's him? BBC just saying a stabbing at a meeting he was at.

My thoughts echo hatter's really.

Confirmed

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/15/conservative-mp-david-amess-stabbed-in-essex-attack

Hope he pulls through. We might joke about it sometimes but violence is not the answer.

Be interesting what the motive was - presumably not right wing like Jo Cox's murder.

Air ambulance at scene, apparently. Awful stuff, let's hope he's going to be OK - our MPs need to be able to meet the people they represent in safety, it's pretty much the only way they get to hear what's going on in the real world.

Be interesting what the motive was – presumably not right wing like Jo Cox’s murder.

This will be extremely interesting, socially and politically.

We might joke about it sometimes but violence is not the answer.

Whilst we don't know the motives yet, this sort of thing is the inevitable result of the breakdown of democracy. When all other methods fail, what else is left?

BBC just saying a stabbing at a meeting he was at.

BBC is always really slow on breaking news.

Be interesting what the motive was

Whilst I agree that in the days to come this will be a fully valid topic of discussion, can we please refrain from any unfounded speculation until more information comes to light?

I also agree with MartinHutch, constituency surgeries are an oft-overlooked and deeply unglamourous part of our democracy and anything that makes them less accessible or harder to attend would further distance our elected representatives from the people they are supposed to serve, that's never a good thing.

BBC is always really slow on breaking news.

Far more reluctant to take a punt on unconfirmed reports on major stories, having been burned a few times in the past.

this sort of thing is the inevitable result of the breakdown of democracy. When all other methods fail, what else is left?

He's been elected a number of times in general elections, in multiple constituencies, for about 4 decades. In what way is that a failure of democracy?

Terrible news.

When all other methods fail, what else is left?

It’s never to stab someone.

Whilst we don’t know the motives yet, this sort of thing is the inevitable result of the breakdown of democracy.

More likely a breakdown in mental health care, caused by chronic under funding for decades.

BBC is always really slow on breaking news.

BBC insist on 2 sources iirc, after being bitten in the past

Whilst we don’t know the motives yet, this sort of thing is the inevitable result of the breakdown of democracy. When all other methods fail, what else is left?

Our resident Disaster Anarchist has arrived 😀

I wasn't wanting to provoke speculation with my comment, just thinking aloud. Always a mistake when I'm near a keyboard

In what way is that a failure of democracy?

I didn't say it was. I don't agree with attacking MPs, but in the current environment of unaccountable power and ever increasing inequality and distance between politicians and the people, I think this sort of thing will become more frequent.

It’s never to stab someone.

Totally agree. But many others won't.

Whilst we don’t know the motives yet, this sort of thing is the inevitable result of the breakdown of democracy people using their vote to select politicians I disagree with. When all other methods fail, what else is left?

Fixed that for you.

He has some intersting views and opinions now that I've looked them up. Very anti-hunting, which is to be wholly admired. Fingers crossed he's ok.

Whilst we don’t know the motives yet, this sort of thing is the inevitable result of the breakdown of democracy. When all other methods fail, what else is left?

but in the current environment of unaccountable power and ever increasing inequality and distance between politicians and the people, I think this sort of thing will become more frequent.

Good job democracy isn't breaking down, I understand people get the opportunity to vote for someone else fairly regularly

The attack on Jo Cox was nothing to do with a breakdown of democracy either, commentaries like yours seek to be self locking lollipops just like the recent petrol crisis, two remote stations go dry and a industry briefing, next thing you know aunt Mabel is fighting on the forecourt as she needs to top up to ensure she can drive to the park to walk her dog

Bloody hell, hope he pulls through, and they catch the person that did it. What a terrible thing to have happened to someone just doing their job.

Good job democracy isn’t breaking down, I understand people get the opportunity to vote for someone else fairly regularly

+1

Yep, people wanted a Tory government, voted for it and got one.

Can't say I'm very happy about it, but that's democracy.

Not good. Hope he pulls through. Hope there are no reprisals.

BBC insist on 2 sources iirc, after being bitten in the past

Sky had two sources - BBC just aren't as good as their competitors on breaking news.

In the podcast linked above he actually describes having a relative stabbed 52 times in a car park and the effect that had on his views. 41 minutes in. What a terrible irony.

It's a great podcast by the way - seems like a very down to earth person.

In the podcast linked above he actually describes having a relative stabbed 52 times in a car park and the effect that had on his views. 41 minutes in. What a terrible irony.

Just got to that bit. He also talks about how his predecessor didn't do surgeries.

It’s a great podcast by the way – seems like a very down to earth person.

Yeah, good to hear Politicians being given a bit of a chance to express themselves. Nick Robinson does something similar in his podcast.

I'm pretty sure these unchallenging interviews get more out of them. They talk freely whereas on Today or against Paxman/Neal they just clam up and stay on message.

Yep, people wanted a Tory government, voted for it and got one.

Can’t say I’m very happy about it, but that’s democracy.

Actually the tories got a minority of the vote but got a huge majority of seats. thats not democratic. the UK system is a faux democracy given an appointed house and the not fit for purpose FPTP system and also given the gerrymandering and ownership of the media by the tories

Can we keep it on topic please given the reason for the story. Thanks.

Police have confirmed a man's died.

Police have confirmed a man’s died.

Tragic.

Indeed, so very much then, please,

Can we keep it on topic please given the reason for the story. Thanks.

RIP.

Awful news.

RIP

That's two MPs in a shade over 5 years. Roughly a 1 in 300 chance of being murdered in a five year period.

Both times around surgeries, which I think we can all agree are good/essential. Not sure a zoom meeting would be an adequate substitute.

Bad.

Just seen the update on the BBC website.

What the Conservatives are doing to this country under the stewardship of Johnson & his bungling mob is awful, but no one deserves that.

Sad news.

RIP.

Awful news.

This. Its tragic that a person has been killed while doing his job as a public servant.

Regardless of your political views, MP's play a vital role in addressing issues of importance to their local community and anything limits peoples ability to get access to their MP is a  bad thing.

Condolences to his family.

3 x attempted / actual murders of MPs in 11 years. What a senseless waste.

How will we ever get good, experienced, level-headed people to represent us when these are the risks they face?

Poor guy all for doing his job. Tragic. RIP

Its tragic that a person has been killed while doing his job as a public servant.

Regardless of your political views, MP’s play a vital role in addressing issues of importance to their local community and anything limits peoples ability to get access to their MP is a bad thing.

Condolences to his family

+1
Just awful.

RIP and condolences to his Family, Friends and Colleagues

We are all lesser because of this, regardless of political affiliation.

Another sad thing is that it's the good MP's who actually bother to do their job and meet their constituents who are most at risk of this kind of thing - the useless ones who don't engage aren't.

Another sad thing is that it’s the good MP’s who actually bother to do their job and meet their constituents who are most at risk of this kind of thing – the useless ones who don’t engage aren’t.

Good point. At 70 I doubt he would have stood in the next election so he wasn't doing today's Surgery to get re-elected, he was genuinely trying to help people.

Horrible news to read, no-one should die from being stabbed for just doing their job.

Agreed this is pretty grim. I guess the context will come out eventually.

Got to confess, it's not a name I was aware of before this I don't think which is pretty stellar considering he'd been an mp for 40 years. And whilst his views and mine appear to only partly coincide (yes to animal rights, no to anti abortion) that's no reason to wish this kin of end to him.