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Can't see what Marquez did wrong there, when Rossi take a completely unnatural line, looking across at Marquez whilst running him out to outside of the track surely he must be responsible for the resulting contact?
[quote=Bustaspoke ]Here's what race direction had to say..
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224594/1/motogp-race-director-explains-rossi-punishment.html
Well that is still a crock of **** MM quite clearly turned into Rossi. Sure Rossi might have been running wide, but there was still space on the track outside him - he didn't force MM off the track and he didn't force MM to turn into him. MM could have carried on round the outside or backed off and cut back in - he caused the crash himself.
Rossi wasn't on the limit pushing wide, he chose to run to the outside of the track to impede Marquez, big difference.
As the overtaking rider how would you anticipate that?
As for saying there was room for Marquez to carry on around the outside, I very much doubt it, by the time he's picked the bike up to miss Rossi he's on the marbles on the edge of the track and making the corner becomes very difficult.
MM ran wide into the corner to start with so Rossi quite rightly put it up the inside of him.
MM could very easily have stamped on the back brake and turned it - he chose not to and turned in to Rossi.
It would be lovely if next race all the pack pull to one side to allow rossi a clear run up to the head of the race
Can't see it though
They won't need to. He'll go through that pack like a chainsaw.
What's the weather forecast?
At least he won't have to mess about qualifying
If its wet he'll be like a ferret after a rabbit..
I just hope for the mechanics sake both Jorge & VR's bikes have a trouble free weekend in Valencia,imagine the atmosphere in the garage if one of them has a mechanical DNF! 😯
Are they both on their final engines now?
Hammyuk, Marquez was on the racing line, Rossi dived up the inside, no problem there, but he then proceeds to run unnaturally wide playing "silly buggers" with MM resulting in a crash.
I'm a die hard Rossi fan but you can't defend the indefensible !
As for stamping on the back brake an turning it in, well you've lost me there, motocross maybe? 🙂
Just got back from a ride and after watching it again I'm starting to think MM was hell bent on mucking Rossis chances of finishing in front of Lorenso. They have previous this season and Rossi's comments in the pre event press conference on Thursday light the blue touch paper. MM (imo I'd imagine him to be a petulant little so and so behind closed doors ) would've been seething so maybe wanted to teach the old goat a lesson. Also there may be the bigger, long term vision MM could be looking at. If he stopped Rossi getting his tenth world title it'd be one less for him to chase ?
Tom_W1987 - Member
..Total joke, the championship is a farce. Do they not practice reasonable doubt in racing?
Agree.
Marquez had every intention of leaning on Rossi there. MM didn't care if he crashed if it brought Rossi down.
If Rossi hadn't been watching him, he would have had Rossi off there.
MM should have got the penalty IMO, his motive was clear from his earlier moves on Rossi in this race.
The penalty is because of the power of the Honda camp.
But wasn't it great to see Pedrosa back on form - Pedrosa for champion next year?
Singles man - you want to turn a bike quick or change its line you don't use the front brake.
The front will sit the bike up causing it to run on.
The back will slow it and allow you to turn it harder and/or adjust your line.
MM was too hot after the previous corner and was wide - he was miles off the apex/line he needed so Rossi rightly out it up the inside.
I'm not defending Rossi for anything but if you watch the aerial view you can clearly see MM looking at him and turning his bike not once but twice into Rossi.
He didn't have to do that - he chose to.
They both should've been penalised.
That is the key, they were both playing silly buggers but Rossi should not have got drawn into it .... easy to say I know!
But ultimately the crash was caused by MM, which isn't what the race director is saying. It's not against the rules to take a non conventional line, it is against the rules to cause a crash.
If the stage is set, I guess the Rossi legend will set solid if he drags it all the way through and puts it on the podium!
they were both playing silly buggers but Rossi should not have got drawn into it
This.
Rorschach - Member
'they were both playing silly buggers but Rossi should not have got drawn into it'This.
I don't think he had much choice. Marquez was definitely harassing him. Marquez could easily have been in front of Lorenzo if he was really racing.
Sorry hammy but that's completely arse about face, trailing the front brake into the turn allows you to turn in tighter, never heared of anyone stamping on the back brake to get it turned, maybe things have changed since my day? Though I can't believe the physics have?
As for the 'incident ' I'm with the impartial race control experts,I'm obviously looking at a different crash to those of you in the Rossi fan club.
Its not singlesman - its the very reason I run a thumbrake on the 1400, 10R and the 6R.
Trailing the front will help you to scrub speed BUT if you do any more than that the bike WILL sit up in the corner due to gyroscopic effect and the headstock allow it to pivot.
Whereas the rear will scrub speed but allow you to tighten your line.
Heres the overhead view of the incident that many aren't looking at.
Clearly shows MM turning, leaning and then Rossi moving his knee only.
I'm far from a Rossi fan club member - They both have blame here but as many others - personally I think theres something more behind it.
Who are you racing with hammy? I guess we all do things differently but all the decent racers I know are braking fairly hard into the apex with the front, the rear being so unloaded that any significant braking would end in tears.
Surely the gyroscopic effect is there regardless as its caused by the wheels turning at speed.
Would respectfully suggest a race bike sitting up when the front brake is applied hard is not set up right, I've never had one do that.
Casey Moaner has had a dig on Twitter 😆 bitter little shitbag
I think the race officials got it right with Rossi for this incident. Marquez had no where to go in the corner and Rossi slowed down across him.
Killed the Championship though.MM was out of order much earlier on.
All goes back to a few races ago when Rossi should of come in and changed bikes earlier that will haunt him shame really but you never know what might happen yet Hmm.
Shattered spine stopped me racing.
It's not the setup - the rear doesn't have such a large effect because it's rigidly held in the swingarm.
Braking hard into the turn isn't the issue - as you know scrubbing off the major speed whilst upright then trail braking towards the apex.
Once on its side grabbing a handful of front will either tuck the front if it's right over or sit the bike up in a not nice way mid corner causing you to run straight on.
The main reason many road riders find themselves in a hedge unfortunately- well other than target fixation but then that one applies to many mountain bikers too!
the goat got goaded, shoulda kept his pre race motor mouth shut, got his just deserves (although I think a disqual would have been fairer), fingers crossed will make a great final race for us non partisan fans
I'm a Yamaha fan so I'm happy whoever wins the championship in Valencia but I can't see how Rossi being forced to start from the back of the grid will make for a great race.Pressure's off Jorge,he'll just ride to what his pitboard tells him..
At this point in a championship having someone 'racing' one of the two 'pretenders' isn't the most sensible for all concerned.
What if MM had knocked Rossi off?
A bit like backmarkers when the leaders come passed, you just get out of the way.
Dai though, just got to the front and left - while he impacted the championship, ie Lorenzo couldn't get maximum points, he didn't ride to the point of nearly knocking him off.
Dickyboy - Member[b]the goat got goaded, shoulda kept his pre race motor mouth shut, got his just deserves (although I think a disqual would have been fairer), [/b]fingers crossed will make a great final race for [b]us non partisan fans [/b]
Call me a cynic, but your first statement, doesn't really back up the second 😉
On first viewing it looks like Rossi ran him wide at best (which isn't actually against the rules) then gave him the knee for good measure, which of course is against the rules.
But looking at the slow-mo... Rossi runs wide yes - he's allow to use all the track, he's looking at him, but he doesn't change direction when he sees him, there does seem to be enough room for MM to carry on (just) - there's certainly enough room for MM to lift as Rossi is clearly in front of him - but first contact is MM hitting Rossi's knee with his helmet, Rossi pushes him back which was stupid - it does happen when riders turn in on each other and it's not usually penalised.
I believe the organisers have tried to create the biggest spectacle they can for the final race, Rossi starting at the back is a pretty amazing thing to see at the best of times, but add into that him wanting to finish within 6 points of Jorge, that's going to be a thing to see. I just hope it doesn't come down to who's got to pass who's fellow countryman to decide it.
Looks to me like MM using intimidation tactics and failing big way.
P-jay - have a look at the overhead view I posted earlier.
Clearly shows MM turning twice and actually dropping the bike against him.
Rossi's knee isn't intentional - his foot comes off because of MM's handlebar hitting it.
That side shot is the one they are all using and calling foul - its as if the overhead that shows the full thing is being buried.
10/1 Rossi starts his holidays early by missing Valencia, or even starts retirement
So the FIM have rejected Yamahas appeal and even Lin Jarvis admits Rossi was at fault, fairly conclusive .
It was a dangerous and deliberate move by Rossi. I think you need to look at the track and the corner that was coming up. Corner 14 is almost acute and is slow corner. MM was getting pushed out by Rossi and he had to lift his bike up, MM then had to lean his bike in to make the corner- probably in the expectation that Rossi was going to lean in too. But he couldn't because Rossi wasn't taking a race line and slowed his bike down.
+1 MM initial lifted as Rossi ran him wide but Rossi kept moving outwards, more than MM expected so when MM started to turn in for the second time Rossi was still there and he found his head on Rossi's knee, and fell off.
But the crash is secondary to what MM has been doing. i.e. riding in a way to influence the championship. Irrespective of whether this is against any specific 'rule' it is massively bang out of order. There's no way racing should allow this. You my be okay to ride defensively if you are the one trying to win a championship but not for someone else. MM has really pissed on his chips this time.
Fingers crossed something surprising happens in Valencia. It's not over yet...
Classic block pass 😆
I think Rossi was childish and petulant, knows he probably won't win the championship, so is getting his excuses lined up first. Time to retire !
Meanwhile, Lorenzo quietly keeps out of it and benefits, well played.
P.S and great to see Danny Pedrosa back on the podium.
Troll 😆
Lorenzo hasn't been quiet though. He's been sticking his oar in against Rossi.
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this is what Lorenzo said:
“He [Rossi] have in the past some similar actions but today was the worst one. I don't think this type of action is a good action coming from [someone] supposed to be a great champion like Valentino Rossi is, no?
“One thing is a contact, another thing is to pull a bike completely straight, look at the rider and pull the leg out to make him crash. This shouldn't be accepted in this sport.”
It's always been an unwritten rule in motor sport that if you're not in the championship hunt (and MM isn't) then you don't get involved....sadly the petulant little Spaniard forgot this and tried to scupper Rossi's race....he came off worse, suck it up princess and learn some manners.
The only slight bending off this long held tradition is when the person you're running interference for is a team mate....but MM and Lorenzo aren't teammates so he had no business slowing Rossi's race like that.
Sad end to the championship, 10 years ago I'd have staked my mortgage on Rossi being able to start at the back in Valencia and still win, not now though....it's been great to see a 37 yr old Rossi riding for wins again this year but he's been done up like a kipper over this by HRC, the Spanish in the sport etc....
Oh well, roll on next year!
... but he hasn't got to [i]win[/i] it from the back.
There is no evidence to support the claim that MM was slowing the pace down.
If this we're true then VR would have lapped faster than JL after the incident. He didn't
Rossi has finally cracked and he's believing his own mind games