[Closed] Moon Landing Hoax? Channel 5 now!

Again, I haven't done any research - I should stop now until I have as its a bit pointless otherwise.

agressive/antagonistic

I'm sorry. I just think the whole thing's daft. Yes, there have been conspiracies and cover-ups, but in this case I find it impossible to understand why anyone thinks it was a hoax. Have you read either of the website I linked to earlier? A lot of the so-called 'hoax evidence' contradicts itself. It's all very easily explained. The programme was hopelessly one sided.
What the US achieved was amazing. [i]Almost[/i] incredible. But in the way that 9/11 theories do those that died a dis-service, so this does for the tens of thousands of people involved.

No vitriol, thats your perception yunki. Anyway which questions, I had a look back through the thread and can't find any from you about the moon landings?

Why are you posting then?

So, go on then, you conspiracy theorists, present your evidence. I could do with a giggle.

This thread doesn't exist

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So, go on then, you conspiracy theorists, present your evidence. I could do with a giggle.
Isn't that like trying to prove the non-existence of (a) god(s)?

How do those markings appear behind object being photographed?

What toys said. The cross hairs disappear where they lie over white objects. There are images of the cross hairs over the US flag which disappear over the white bars but are present over the red bars. If the image was a fake, the whole flag would have been laid over the cross hairs (or the cross hairs over the flag).

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Anyway which questions, I had a look back through the thread and can't find any from you about the moon landings?

no need to be obtuse, that just insulting both our intellects..

I'll re-post for clarity

I don't wholeheartedly believe anything much, starting with material existence, and ending in UFOs and Simon Cowell so I really haven't got an opinion either way and couldn't care less..

What DOES interest me though is other folks seemingly unshakable and often almost quite aggressive faith in stuff..
So you guys that are certain, have you ever doubted or questioned your belief..?
Some of you talk about research and evidence.. what 'one thing' erased all doubt.. was there a moment where you thought 'yes well that's settled it for me..'?

What the US achieved was amazing. Almost incredible. But in the way that 9/11 theories do those that died a dis-service, so this does for the tens of thousands of people involved.

Agreed. Well said actually.
Have we got any evidence of a hoax yet?
I've read some of the 'evidence' in the past, and the 9/11 stuff and its actually laughable in the main.

The cross hairs disappear where they lie over white objects. There are images of the cross hairs over the US flag which disappear over the white bars but are present over the red bars. If the image was a fake, the whole flag would have been laid over the cross hairs

If you were faking photos, why bother with cross hairs at all? And even more, why bother taking them without the crosshairs, and then suddenly go 'oh crap we need crosshairs in this image' then somehow project them onto the background of the image behind all the stuff? Or erect a giant backdrop with fine crosshairs on it?

Surely if you really needed crosshairs you'd put them on the camera in the exact same way as they 'real' astronaut camera did? It's really simple, and far simpler than arranging it in the background.

Occam's razor.

Just watched the Buzz Aldrin video. To be fair, if someone called me a coward and a liar, I'd be tempted to do the same as well. I'm imagining Mr Aldrin had been in the military before he was an astronaut, so I guess he could handle himself. 😆

Wow ... just wow

ITT people who claim to be open minded about the evidence, but can't tell the difference between evidence and what some bloke said on the internet.

There comes a point when it might be better to assume the deniers are trolling; because that is less depressing than the thought that they are real people using our precious precious oxygen.

I have decided to call this point the "trolling event horizon".
Where trolling and stupidity meet and become so dense that they form a singularity and (hopefully) vanish up their own fundament.

1) So you guys that are certain, have you ever doubted or questioned your belief..?

Questioned yes, as a teenager, I think after seeing capricorn one.

2) Some of you talk about research and evidence.. what 'one thing' erased all doubt.. was there a moment where you thought 'yes well that's settled it for me..'?

I wasn't being obtuse, I think you are by raising existential philisophical questions over what is considered to be the standard of proof for the scientific method. And trying to slide your personal digs in for no real reason. I have not insulted you, and others here are happy to discuss this without being belligernet.

PeterPoddy - Member

Why are you posting then?

Truthfully?
Because it's fun baiting you and I'm bored at work

Except its not really working, is it. You are just being proven hypocritical at every turn, this excuse now being used instead of an educated response.

Just watched the Buzz Aldrin video. To be fair, if someone called me a coward and a liar, I'd be tempted to do the same as well

Is PeterPoddy John Prescotts singletrack user name?

hmm.. I'm not sure I understand your irritation toys.. particularly about the existential questions bit that you seem to be preoccupied with..

erm, as a result I'm not really comfortable continuing this

This chap is trying to demonstrate how the first moon landing was originally achieved. He is using a bicycle and a chubby mans belly to demonstrate the theory.

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Except its not really working, is it. You are just being proven hypocritical at every turn, this excuse now being used instead of an educated response

I honesty, truthfully have not the foggiest idea of what you mean or intend from that.
I'm sitting here in the weighbridge office of a quarry near Reading. I have 5 days left to work due to being made redundant. The trade is non existent here, I cannot be arsed to do anything for obvious reasons so I'm whiling away my day on the Internet.
Or do you think I'm a hoax? 😕

I haven't done any research

Then you've two options, really.

a) do some research, or

b) believe the people who have.

Five seconds' googling will answer your photo question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_of_Apollo_Moon_photographs

In photography, the light white color (the object behind the crosshair) makes the black object (the crosshair) invisible due to saturation effects in the film emulsion. The film particles that ought to have been black were exposed by light from the adjacent brightly lit particles. Ironically, this saturation effect would not happen if the crosshairs were drawn on in post, and so is evidence of genuine photos. Attempting to alter photos that already have crosshairs would make the compositing process far more difficult.

The amount of evidence for a faked moon landing is "none at all," I'm afraid. The "evidence" routinely trotted out by the swivel-eyed all falls down when examined by anyone with a clue.

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I'm sitting here in the weighbridge office of a quarry near Reading. I have 5 days left to work due to being made redundant. Any truth in the rumour that the quarry is closing as it is going to be used as a backdrop for the next video from the "Mars Lander"??

Druid, it would be a fairly reasonable place to try it. The gravel round here passes a passing resemblance to Mars!

I've been watching the NASA podcast of the Mars lander actually. Some cracking quality shots being taken. 🙂

hmm.. I'm not sure I understand your irritation toys.. particularly about the existential questions bit that you seem to be preoccupied with..

erm, as a result I'm not really comfortable continuing this

Look I am happy to discuss this and present any arguments/refutation, I don't see what your problem is. I thought you were asking questions about the moonlandings, but I was wrong, sorry. I genuninely think the existential questions do not ahve a place here as they could apply to the discussion of any truth, including the things you can love or drink.

Your questions I answered and I thought they were valid, so I don't see why we cannot carry on in that vein?

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Is that some kind of evidence for hoaxed moon landings then Aye-Aye?

[i]They could have sent the mirror up in an unmanned rocket though? [/i]

Hey, here's an idea. If they're doing that anyway, why not see about chucking a couple of blokes in there with it?

There is no moon

So anyway, we've disproved the radiation and the camera cross hairs theories*, what else is there?

*As fully as we can on an Internet forum, i.e. to the same degree that said theories were presented in the first pace.

Moon landing conspiracy theorists are ametuers, I dont even believe the Moon exists 😉

Kryton, come on send us the rest. Perhaps we can persuade you that you've been duped by the sensationalists..

There is no moon

There is. [url= http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/petermullen/100189553/a-solar-eclipse-is-awesome-mysterious-and-terrifying-do-you-really-think-its-a-cosmic-coincidence-prof-dawkins/ ]When God made it, he made sure to exactly match the apparent size of the Sun from Earth, so that we'd get pretty eclipses.[/url] Proof of both the Moon [i]and[/i] of God!

I really haven't asked any existential questions, and won't

but I think I'm a bit out of my depth here..
To quote an old tutor at college

don't be so open minded that your brain falls out

😳

don't be so open minded that your brain falls out

Again, [b]I haven't done any research[/b] - I should stop now until I have as its a bit pointless otherwise.

This is funny 🙂

Everyone else realised this a while ago.

How come it took you so long ?

When exactly did they come up with the plan to fake it?
From the outset of the program or maybe right after the Apollo 10 'dry run'?

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" Cracking place Grommit"

Apollo 10 just flew round the moon taking pictures for the fake landing, I thought that much was obvious..?

Do we need a "what would TJ say" knocking up?

Apollo 10 just flew round the moon taking pictures for the fake landing, I thought that much was obvious..?

Of course! - slaps forehead

It must have been a bit of a bummer to have drawn Apollo 1 in the great moon hoax.
Out of pure respect for those guys, the flat Earthers should stop being silly.

It must have been a bit of a bummer to have drawn Apollo 1 in the great moon hoax.

"Hey Gus, we've picked you to take part in an elaborate hoax!"

"That's great, what do I have to do?"

"Well... actually, you might not like this much but..."

Amazing how many of the leading " we never went" theorists have books/DVDs etc etc to promote. I mean it can't be a co-incidence, right?

Or is it.....

Is it possible that the whole conspiracy theory thing was a conspiracy by NASA to try and rustle up a bit of public interest in the dying space programme..?

Is it possible that the whole conspiracy thing was a conspiracy by NASA to try and rustle up a bit of public interest in the dying space programme..?

Damn you Yunki! 😉

a conspiracy about a conspriracy theory? Yep, I could see how that would work 😆

To be positioned properly for the subsequent experiment, how?
How would our astronaughts be able to measure the same positioning...?

What DOES interest me though is other folks seemingly unshakable and often almost quite aggressive faith in stuff..

Not sure what you mean by Faith here tbh

So you guys that are certain, have you ever doubted or questioned your belief..?

Some of you talk about research and evidence.. what 'one thing' erased all doubt.. was there a moment where you thought 'yes well that's settled it for me..'?

I read around and was able to refute them

Occam's razor is generally useful for this sort if stuff.

As they built a great big rocket there was little to be saved from faking it and if the plan was that elaborate and at that cost we could safely assume they would not mess up the photos as this would be the "proof"- they may have thought of that
Mythbusters did some interesting stuff on the fluttering flag for example to show it would flutter in a vacuum [ when trying to be place dint he ground]as there is no resistance to it moving

I have two issues with conspiracist
1. Whilst it is true the govt could lie to us that does not mean that every time they speak they are doing
2. They tend to believe in a wide catalogue of conspiracy stuff rather than just one

The evidence for an actual moon landing is pretty overwhelming and takes a large does of stupidity or conspiracy magic to not see this.