[Closed] Missiles on the roof approved

Well that fish finger sandwich (x2) was lovley.

white bread , buttered (or other spread substitute), 3x breaded fish sticks in each with tomato ketchup today (authough salad cream and mayo have made it on other ocasions) never thorght of cheese in there though, maybe next time . . .

might try this tomorrow

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Seriously salad cream all the way

Salad cream is a bit too tangy for the joyous fish finger. I would have to go for TommyK. It's just that little bit milder, but still with a hint of spice.

Brown sauce would be going too far.

Perhaps the the flats should now be called "Timid Towers".

Have you considered Sweet Chilli Sauce?

Missiles on the roof , serious security all over the place, how are drugies and dealers going to do buisness

It needs to be a cheese single. I know that's heresy around these parts. But it just does. Your tangy extra mature chedder, Stilton etc, are all very nice, but they have their place. But that's not on a fish finger butty!!

Cheese single (or 2. Possibly 3) slapped on top of the fish fingers when they're really hot, and it (they) melts satisfyingly, ready to be doused in ketchup. You could try it with salad cream too. depending on how much of a deviant you are, I suppose 😉

Try it

anyone planning a 11/9 (maybe you can clarify what happened on 9 November sometime) would probably be a suicide (google it) bomber who isn't making many long term plans. However, a British missile, fired from London, bringing down a large aircraft over London, with the subsequent consequences? really? You don't see a propaganda victory that will be talked about or years, easily n the scale of the world trade centre attacks (which happened on the 11th of September). That's what I meant by handing potential terrorists such excellent and freely available weapons

I see pedantry & idiocy (oh & trying to be a patronising half-wit) are going hand in hand in STW today..

What do you mean by handing excellent & freely available weapons? The missiles? You think the terrorists will try & storm the missile sites??

As for 9/11, are you really being pedantic about that date? REALLY?? Are you that insensitive or just unaware that in the US (where 9/11 took place by the way) that they write the date order differently to us?

Did you try reading my post, or did you just start frothing and hammering away at the keyboard?

Are you that insensitive or just unaware that in the US (where 9/11 took place by the way) that they write the date order differently to us

Definitely not El Duderino.

sparkyrhino - Member
Missiles on the roof , serious security all over the place, how are drugies and dealers going to do buisness

I imagine that the team coach will sort out the supply

the biggest danger during the games will be from overcrowding on the tube, not terrorists!

i cant really see whats wrong with this, true im not living there, but if these never went ahead and there was a terroist attack wouldnt we all feel stupid.
chances of them going off are very low, the residents have more chance of being stabbed for there wallet than these exploding. plus with all the security prescene about guarding them nobody would take the risk to mug them. as soon as the olympics is over everything will be put right, not a word about em again.
provided the army aint knocking on there doors at six in the moring i cant really see it being a hassle.

provided the army aint knocking on there doors at six in the moring i cant really see it being a hassle.

They should have their own brew kit, so they should not need to borrow milk from the residents. Not sure they will be playing loud music either, so I really can't see the problem. Stray fireworks will probably cause more problems

Did you try reading my post, or did you just start frothing and hammering away at the keyboard?

I did & it didnt make any sense at all..

They do, and neither I nor most of the contributors to this site are American - you do know that don't you?

Why do you feel the need to change it from 9/11 to 11/9? What point are you trying to make?

I bet the argument will go away when Locog says they will compensate them. They are just chasing the money. Is it not safer to have lots of police and troops around your gaff.

I'm still puzzled as to why so few are keen on addressing the root cause of the issue, rather than believing sams, destroyers, and the stupid liquids/security beltless dance shuffle at airports is "for our protection"

Exactly Zokes, we need to have a good look at our foreign policy, and perhaps have a little think about why people are unhappy with us.

But historical lessons with the Olympics show that the issue that brings the threat is not necessarily the politics of the home nation, but the politics of the attending nations and the international prominence of the Olympic event itself.

Again, the proven example being the attack on the Israeli team in Munich by Palestinians - nothing to do with German foreign policy. Whereas Eric Rudolph's attack on the Atlanta games was a home grown attack, with an anti-gay and anti-abortion motivation, again nothing to do with foreign policy.

Regardless of where in the world you held it, any event that has a significant collection of American, Israeli, Russian, Spanish, South American, Saudi Arabian & Indian representatives poses a security threat from myriad different terrorist groups, most of which have little or nothing to do with UK foreign policy.

Yes, I remember Munich. Are these olympic potential terrorists different from the usual potential terrorists. I wonder how real either threat really is? Unlikely that I will ever know.

What strikes me is that there's so much negativity surrounding this event (including me, I'm dreading it, getting to work is going to be a nightmare).

I feel unhappy about the thought of missiles in built up areas. If an aerial conveyance is shot down, the bits will fall on actual people. Better to put a defended circumference further out into the countryside surely, where debris can fall into fields?

provided the army aint knocking on there doors at six in the moring i cant really see it being a hassle.

i didnt mean literally, more or less saying if there out of the way of the residents why should they give a choc log.
more chance of there gas cooker going boom when they put a snack on after the pub and doze off, than the sams

 

Belt and Braces surely Kof9 - Defence in depth

As I said before, stadium full of 80,000 or a housing estate with a thousand, neither is really a very nice thought, but unfortunatley sometimes thats the choices you're left with, simple and raw Benthamite utilitarianism.

Of course what can't be overlooked is the deterrent effect - if you know that a method of attack carries little or no chance of success due ti effective defensive measures in place, then there is no point in attempting, whereas if the target is undefended, then it actually carries the potential of making the attack more likely.

Better to put a defended circumference further out into the countryside surely, where debris can fall into fields?

I would imagine that is in place as well, provided by fast jets that can be scrambled. The missiles in the centre are last line of defence, not the first.

I expect I'm being dim but... Do you imagine the missiles will be used to ensure a hijacked jet will crash on a random heavily populated housing estate rather than flying into: Buckingham palace, windsor castle, Barclays bank, or parliament?

It's like tanks at heathrow. You can take it one of three ways

1) There's totally a terror threat that these things will help avoid
2) It's to make you feel safer from a terror threat that they won't help avoid
3) It's to make you think there's a terror threat

Up to you really.

As for the residents- if it doesn't really impact their day, then I don't think they've got any more reason to complain than anyone else. I think a lot of people feel they have a legitimate beef about money being spent on this but also I think all the non-missile Olympics pish will be far more disruptive and expensive. I'd be more bothered about olympic lanes than missiles- they seem more likely to kill people too.

Better to put a defended circumference further out into the countryside surely, where debris can fall into fields?
I would imagine that is in place as well, provided by fast jets that can be scrambled. The missiles in the centre are last line of defence, not the first.

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binners - Member

If I lived in Saaaaaaarf Laaaaaaaaandan I'd be asking questions like: just how accurate are surface to air missiles? What percentage of them hit their intended target? And what happens to the ones that miss?

Anyone know?

They are accurate, a trained operator can hit a large model aircraft flying head on

the missiles are operator guided and use the principles of SALOSBR (IIRC). With HVM the engagement time is so short (about 10-12secs to max range) that prelaunch tracking is key to accuracy. It is easier to correct with old slower Javelin system which took around 30 secs to max range.

they will probably have strict arc's of fire and airspace control via ADKIS (??) is they can get it work or whatever they have replaced it with. I can't remember if the missile self destructs if it loses the beam or not

if they had airlifted the tracked HVM its like playing space invaders

the missiles are safe in the context of the flats, they are designed to survive squaddies on a battlefield

I feel unhappy about the thought of missiles in built up areas. If an aerial conveyance is shot down, the bits will fall on actual people. Better to put a defended circumference further out into the countryside surely, where debris can fall into fields?

air defence works in a series of layers, as the threat moves it gets tackled by the relevant resource for that chunk of airspace

hvm is a point defence system (based on a FGA/pop-up helo threat), the point in this case is the stadium. The final layer would be GPMG's but I imagine they drew the line through spraying 50 round bursts of 7.62 1 in 1 over the Olympic park

So why aren't they on top of a big building at Canary Wharf?

You mean the secret ones that everyone knows about because they've been on the BBC? These ones
Lexington Building, Fairfield Road, Bow, Tower Hamlets - high-velocity missile
Fred Wigg Tower, Montague Road Estate, Waltham Forest - high-velocity missile
Blackheath Common, Blackheath (Lewisham/Greenwich) - rapier
William Girling Reservoir, Lea Valley Reservoir Chain, Enfield - rapier
Oxleas Meadow, Shooters Hill, Greenwich/Woolwich - rapier
Barn Hill, Netherhouse Farm, Epping Forest - rapier

No-one will ever link any airborne incident with these, rgardless of whether they get fired or not, will they?

So why aren't they on top of a big building at Canary Wharf?

Isn't there the slightest possibility of a Greenham Common scenario here- ie, a spoof? The real defences are located in completely different locations and these are either tokens or complete dummies to mask the fact and to focus attention on the wrong areas.

oo far out probably, point air defence sticks close to the potential target and thus creates a GDA, the Navy and Air Force will be covering that airspace

same distance according to google
nothing to do with big business of course

I imagine the large warship in the Thames makes up for the lack of HVM on Canary Wharf, either that or they are not publishing that location for security reasons.

But don't let a proper air defence plan get in the way of some class war rhetoric

Isn't there the slightest possibility of a Greenham Common scenario here- ie, a spoof? The real defences are located in completely different locations and these are either tokens or complete dummies to mask the fact and to focus attention on the wrong areas.