[Closed] Mayweather Vs McGregor

I won't agree. Bunce is an enthusiastic and jolly presenter with a decent personality and a passion for the sport he's talking about. I like him. 😛

Bunce the loud mouth from fighting talk, does boxing who'd have thought 🙄 😆

Yes Bunce is enthusiastic, jolly and got passion for the sport ... it's just he will say whatever he thinks his paymaster wants him to say; he has absolutely no credibility.

Has he left Boxnation now then?

He managed to last 10 rounds against a 40 year old bloke who barely looked interested,

This and had been retired for two years.

Was there any point to this "match" other than to make obscene sums of money for some people? All that posturing they do before fights - I'm sure there rehearse all that stuff.

Was there any point to this "match" other than to make obscene sums of money for some people?

Proper tear ups these:

Worth watching all volumes.

Obviously, the fight is nothing like a paid advertisement.

So he's willing to fight MMA so long as it's not MMA. Jesus wept.

pondo - Member

So he's willing to fight MMA so long as it's not MMA. Jesus wept.

He's willing to fight an MMA fighter in a catch-rule contest, which is more than Mayweather was. Or would you prefer another grossly mismatched farce?

I would prefer people to just admit when they don't have a clue. AJ is anything but "up for it". He's been back and forth on twitter with Stipe Miocic. Stipe is the perfect example of a boxer-wrestler. His striking is heavily boxing based. He has heavy hands and is a decent wrestler but he's no kickboxer.

So what Anthony Joshua has said (with one eye on Stipe) is that he's willing to box an amateur boxer. He's being about as brave as Floyd.

Yeah, AJ's such a cowardy custard. What a pansy.

DezB - Member

Yeah, AJ's such a cowardy custard. What a pansy.

If he wasn't afraid of fighting an MMA fighter he would simply ask to fight an MMA fighter without the caveats. Choosing a ruleset that heavily favours him isn't exactly bold or daring. People would be throwing money at him. He can dress it up whatever way he wants but "I haven't got time to learn submissions" is just another way of saying "I can't win".

[i]If he wasn't afraid of fighting an MMA fighter[/i]

Cross discipline fights are for the washed up and money grabbers, AJ's career has a long long way to go before he'd bother [i]seriously[/i] considering any bout. It's not even worth arguing about.

It's not even worth arguing about.

You forget where you are?

[quote=jimjam ]If he wasn't afraid of fighting an MMA fighter

Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason lots of boxers aren't stepping into the ring to fight MMA fighters under MMA rules, and lots of other MMA fighters aren't stepping into the boxing ring. Unless of course you mean realistically afraid in a way McGregor wasn't.

aracer - Member

jimjam » If he wasn't afraid of fighting an MMA fighter

Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason lots of boxers aren't stepping into the ring to fight MMA fighters under MMA rules,

I was addressing Dezb's glib, childish "cowardly pansy" comments. You can debate the semantics of "fear" and how it relates to professional combat sports athletes willingness or lack of willingness to compete in under different rule sets but healthy respect, lack of desire and fear are all on that spectrum.

and lots of other MMA fighters aren't stepping into the boxing ring.

They've been bloody falling over themselves to try and get involved in big boxing fights. Transitioning to boxing doesn't represent the same dangers or fears for MMA fighters as going the opposite way does for boxers. They're already risking brain damage and broken bones for a few hundred thousand. Might as well just risk brain damage for a few million.

As McGregor said "I've already been strangled unconscious on live tv, this was a laugh".

DezB - Member

Cross discipline fights are for the washed up and money grabbers, AJ's career has a long long way to go before he'd bother seriously considering any bout.

Yeah, AJ IS obviously an altruistic hippy who take no interest in money. He's just talking about having an [s]MMA[/s] [s]kick boxing,[/s] fight with Stipe incase he finds himself begging on the streets.

[i]Dezb's glib, childish "cowardly pansy" comments[/i]

Glad you got that, at least.

Yeah, AJ IS obviously an altruistic hippy who take no interest in money. He's just talking about having an MMA kick boxing, fight with Stipe incase he finds himself begging on the streets

as a response makes no sense whatsoever. He'd make more money fighting an mma character than Fury, Wilder or Povetkin? uh-huh.

If he wasn't afraid of fighting an MMA fighter he would simply ask to fight an MMA fighter without the caveats

I am not sure what point you think you just proved with this tbh.

As for the fight Conor better than expected but not sure if that was because maywether did not actually try early doors - how many punches did he throw in the first few rounds? The back turning and hammer fisting was comical- no idea why mayweather kept turning his back

Not a great fight or spectacle and the inevitable result happened

Junkyard - lazarus

Not sure what you men by afraid - certain to lose but is this really afraid?

I was using it in the broadest sense, in response to

DezB - Member

Yeah, AJ's such a cowardy custard. What a pansy.

At no point had I accused him of having fear. I simply said in McGregor's defence, let's see a boxing champion make the opposite transition now. Pondo claimed Anthony Joshua was willing to do so, and the point I made was that Joshua hasn't done anything of the sort.

He'd make more money fighting an mma character than Fury, Wilder or Povetkin? uh-huh.

Yeah because there's no precedent of a boxer making big money by fighting "an mma character" 🙄

Isn't the point he was making that he would obviously lose an mma but with mma rules, and would obviously win a boxing bout.

Remove the submissions and it would be a much closer fight that could genuinely go either way. Don't we want to see fights that aren't a foregone conclusion?

That said.. I'd rather see him sticking to boxing. It's not as if he's not got anyone left to fight.

tpbiker - Member

Isn't the point he was making that he would obviously lose an mma but with mma rules, and would obviously win a boxing bout.

Remove the submissions.....

....and it's no longer MMA. Not even close. It becomes a fundamentally different sport so he's not willing to compete in MMA.

Any bjj player or freestyle wrestler could say they're willing to box Anthony Joshua, just so long as they can take him to the canvas and strangle him.

Don't we want to see fights that aren't a foregone conclusion?

Yes. That's why I'd like to see AJ fight Demetrious Johnson..

Does this really have to explained?! again?

[i]no precedent of [/i] an active, rising star, career ahead of him, [i]boxer making big money by fighting "an mma character" [/i]

If he wasn't afraid of fighting an MMA fighter he would simply ask to fight an MMA fighter without the caveats

Poor old jimjam, trying to deflect after his man crush gobbed off then had his ass handed to him, just as most people said he would.

But... but.... not mma... waaaah.

wrecker

Bollocks. He's only stipulated no submissions and I don't blame him.

Where is the bang head emoji?

....and it's no longer MMA

Obviously not..

Did you read the article? He didn't say he'd fight an mma bout did he? He said he'd fight an opponent from mma in a fight with defined rules.

I don't think anyone wants to see a boxer fight in mma ever again after toney's efforts (albeit a well past it massively fat version of toney )

Any bjj player or freestyle wrestler could say they're willing to box Anthony Joshua

Why dont they try Judo with Judo rules are they scared?

This is stupid

People who practice a specific fighting style wont be very good against those who do another type of fighting

Apparently its news to some on STW

Where is the bang head emoji?

tpbiker - Member

Obviously not..

Did you read the article? He didn't say he'd fight an mma bout did he? He said he'd fight an opponent from mma in a fight with defined rules.

The difference is clearly too subtle for most people to grasp, and in response to the question "would you be willing to fight an mma fighter" his reply was yes.

Junkyard

Why dont they try Judo with Judo rules are they scared?

You mean like the time BJ Penn submitted 10 judo blackbelts in a row at a judo comp?

Where is the bang head emoji?

BJ Penn is actually a BJJ purple, wearing a white belt because he holds no rank in Judo.

These are [b]local, recreational judoka[/b] vs one of the best jiu jitsu players in the world.

BJ Penn has recently begun training Judo. He says he regrets this video surfacing and that he believes if you want to challenge Judo players, you shouldn't try to game the rules to turn it into a BJJ match.

It wouldn't be right for AJ to turn up at a local recreational MMA tourney and punch the snot out of everyone now would it?

These are local, recreational judoka vs one of the best jiu jitsu players in the world.

Blackbelts against a purple belt, my point still stands. Joshua is obviously trying to get some shine from the May/Mc fight but if he wants a kickboxing contest why doesn't he challenge Gokhan Saki or Tyrone Spong.

wrecker
It wouldn't be right for AJ to turn up at a local recreational MMA tourney and punch the snot out of everyone now would it?

He'd get taken down and mauled.

my point still stands.

He'd get taken down and mauled.

Are you saying BJ Penn was a professional athlete at the top of his game when he was a bjj purple belt earning no money, having had no professional fights before he won worlds at brown belt, before he started competing in mma?

Yeah OK mate.

"I can't beat a guy (via submission). That takes a lot of time to learn the skills and submissions, which I don't have the time for,

The difference is clearly too subtle for most people to grasp, and in response to the question "would you be willing to fight an mma fighter" his reply was yes.

but not in an MMA bout..which is the important bit you have conveniently left out..

if he wants a kickboxing contest why doesn't he challenge Gokhan Saki or Tyrone Spong.

If you need that answering then you are kind of missing the point I think.

tpbiker

but not in an MMA bout..which is the important bit you have conveniently left out..

I've seen interviews with him where he didn't add any caveats. As I said, it's a difference that is too subtle for most people to grasp, and the MMA fighter he is most closely linked to fighting is a wrestle-boxer.

He's got one eye on Stipe Miocic and saying "it doesn't bother me, I like the violence, I'm down for whatever, I'll fight the UFC heavyweight champ (just none of the pesky wrestling, takedowns, grappling, jiujitsu, submissions etc, I haven't got time for that).

I'm persobaly waiting for Steve peat to ride the tour de France it's just riding bikes after all

I'm guessing i'm the only one that actually enjoyed the fight? 😆

I enjoyed it.

I am enjoying the boxing fans reaction as well.

Link to these interviews please, because only one I have seen he is fairly clear in adding caveats. He also thinks he'd lose..

And where does he mention no grappling or takedowns? In the BBC interview it states no submissions.. Are they the same thing?

Unless of course he mentions these caveats in other interviews you have seen.. Oh wait.. There were no caveats in these interviews..

Jamie - Member
I enjoyed it.

I am enjoying the boxing fans reaction as well.

aye it's ridiculously over the top, the fight went pretty much as expected, still interesting enough seeing mcgregor well out of his comfort zone. How people can't give him credit for that I don't know.

I'd be interested to see more where mcgregor managed to get himself to after say 10 or 15 pro fights, rather than another 1 off ie joshua., though I'd still like to see somethign like that.

jimjam - Member

The difference is clearly too subtle for most people to grasp, and in response to the question "would you be willing to fight an mma fighter" his reply was yes.

I'd be willing to fight an mma fighter, as long as it was fought only with sarcasm. But I don't think that's what people really expect.

tpbiker - Member

Link to these interviews please,

I'll see if I can find it.

And where does he mention no grappling or takedowns? In the BBC interview it states no submissions.. Are they the same thing?

Part of the same thing, you can't have submissions without grappling, you can't fight on the ground without takedowns but he is all over the map so to speak. Would he be open to slams? I doubt it. He references other boxers losing due to "the ground and pound game". You can't ground and pound someone if they aren't on the ground.

In my opinion he's using the word submission as a catch all term for grappling in general as it pertains to mma.

I'd fight an MMA fight, long as I could use a chib. 😆 we don't want rules getting in the way now, do we?