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I'm amazed that Arsenal supporters are letting Wenger get away with it.

I don't believe they are.

They just cannot tell him to his face, as he is doing God's work in Rome.

Has 'Arry been interviewed leaning out of his car window yet? Or are they still making us wait til later

Danny Welbeck?

Well....it's...erm...something.

Just on sky sports news that Wilfred bony will be going no-where in this transfer window,phew 🙂

Good comment on the BBC transfer day feed; for all those saying a striker is the last thing Man U need, they have only scored two goals in four games this season...

I think this will be the start of Rooney dropping back into a no.10 role, then into a central role. He's lost his pace and I think a Scholes type role would suite him well. Leave RVP and Falcao up front.

Doesn't look good for Juan Mata does it? Can see him being the one to miss out if Van Gaal opts for three of Falcao, Mata, Van Persie and Rooney. Surely Rooney will play, being captain? Pity for Mata as he's a clever, creative player but he's little pace and strength and can't seem to play on the wing. Great move by Mourinho to cash in when he did! I don't think Rooney is good enough, or fit enough, to play in centre midfield though so unless he's playing off one or two strikers maybe he'll get the boot as well.

I feel a bit sorry for Moyes as well! He had no chance in retrospect - ageing squad and resistance to get the deals done from the board as opposed to the blank cheque book Van Gaal has!

The big disaster (apart from the Glazers) was Fergie and Gill retiring at the same time. Moyes had never dealt with signing players of world class level before and Gill could've settled him. Rumours I believe suggest there were deals for Alcantara and Herrera last season but Moyes dithered too long. That and getting rid of the coaching staff, which was naive at best and stupidity at worst.

Mata was the very definition of panic buy. If he'd helped Man U get 4th it would have been seen as a stroke of genius. But he didn't so he's not. I agree he'll be in the wilderness for a while. I can't think of a good game he's had tbh

Man U should have sold Rooney when they had the chance. I can't help feel he's wasted his potential; if he'd trained like Ronaldo or Beckam instead of smoking and dicking around he could have been one of the greatest ever Engligh players. He's knackered now, on the decline

Just heard Wellbeck off to Arsenal for £16m

Good player, not a game changer but always gives 100%

Rooney was Fergies big faux pas. the first player ever to f fergie about, and not be sold, a la stam and keane. He's nowhere near the player he's made out to be, still living on past glories.

No sure I agree with that - on his day Rooney can almost beat the opposition by himself. Those days don't come along too often any more though.

Fergie made it impossible to ditch Rooney by not reinforcing the squad. Rooney carried the team for a whole season and was indispensable so bagged himself £300k a week.

I'd be tempted to drop Rooney and let Mata, RVP and Falcao play as a front 3

Just heard Wellbeck off to Arsenal for £16m

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On the plus side, Arsenal have a pretty strong English contingent.

...err...that is a good thing, right?

Arsenal can have Cleverley too then!

Arsenal can have Cleverley too then!

Nah, you're ok.

Now reports Man U have signed a keeper from Sampdoria. Bizarre! Presume Lindegard is off then

I think Welbeck could be quite a good signing for Arsenal. There's a lot of question marks about his ability to be a centre forward, but people were saying similar things about Sturridge when he signed for Liverpool.

Presume Lindegard is off then

Phil Nev seems to think so.

I think Welbeck could be quite a good signing for Arsenal. There's a lot of question marks about his ability to be a centre forward, but people were saying similar things about Sturridge when he signed for Liverpool.

The amount of shit I have given Danny Welbeck over the years, for Man U and England, I hope I will be eating humble pie for every meal.

...just less of this, please.

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It was under Moyes ths Rooney got his mega deal, following a sulk after Moyes had hinted he may (rightly) not be the number one centre forward at the club and guaranteed to start. That sort of dithering characterised is 'reign'. If Fergie had stayed on Rooney would have been sold. Can't believe some of the money United were allegedley paying fringe players like Anderson, Nani and Hernandez. Their wage bill is insane! Can't see Welbeck setting the world on fire at Arsenal either - strikes me as someone who thinks he's a little better than he us. When's Theo back?

...just less of this, please.

And more of this?

Is there a chance that the Falcao deal is going to fall through. This was announced this morning and still not complete.

Maybe the medical is proving tricky? Or Van Gaal realised he isn't a centre half?

Utd announced the Failani signing last year well after the cut off time so fingers crossed. If they don't sign him they're down to a striker past his best and one who spend a lot of time with the medics. Fingers crossed!!

Why do sky keep subjecting their reporters to the t**ts outside the ground in deadline day? The dildo thing was mildly amusing, but what they are having to endure now at some of the locations is just not right.

Looks like Cleverley is still going to be warming the bench til January then? Seems an endemic attitude amongst young English players. Pick your wages up and don't actualy play.

Most insane thing Moyes did wasn't Rooney. Not even the bonkers price for Fellaini. It was giving Nani a new contract! WTF was he thinking!!!

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Theres an arsenal fan just been on five live and said: "well if Welbeck can come and get us 25 goals a season he'll be a great buy"

Clearly he's never seen him play. Good luck with that Arsene! 😆

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One assumes the Welbeck thing was done while Wenger was either asleep or having an audience with the Pope.

He's going to get a fright when he gets the morning copy of Gazetta with his espresso isn't he?

Why do sky keep subjecting their reporters to the t**ts outside the ground in deadline day?

The dildo one was pretty funny. That doll looks quite funny too. There's a video on youtube of the lead singer of my band outside Stoke's ground from a couple of years back holding up a sign that says "James Parton cased my Mrs".....still makes me chuckle!

Wellbeck seems a very good buy for £16m and Arsenal need a replacement for Giroud. I would have been happy to see him at Spurs.

I just don't get Man U at all, they have done little to address their frailties.

+1 on Moyes who lost the management confidence or perhaps he never had it. I could have another cheeky wager on ManU having less points at Christmas under Van Gall than they did under Moyes. Fergusson sold Moyes a pup too on Rooney, he recognised he was way past his best and should have sold him on. He left Moyes in an impossible position. Rooney is paid too much today never mind the fact he'll be drawing those ridiculous wages years from now.

I could have another cheeky wager on ManU having less points at Christmas under Van Gall

You could well be right. But its not really the point.

You can look at the players he's brought in, who's gone, and it looks like theres a plan. A long term strategy. Albeit one thats clearly not working at the moment, with this formation. He's looking to build a squad to play a certain way.

Moyes was just flailing. Clearly miles out of his depth. 27 million for a panic buy of Fellaini as your only buy? A contract for Rooney that valued him up there with Messi? (when in reality, Torres would be a better comparison) A 5 new year contract for Nani? He looked like a rabbit in the headlights by the end. Clearly overwhelmed by the job. LVG does't look like he'd be overwhelmed by anything. And it looks like he'll be as ruthless as Fergie. If you don't fit, or you're not performing, you're gone

Binners,

Don't you think yesterday showed almost as much panic buying as Moyes time ? A loan for a striker when you have RVP, Rooney, Hernandez and Wellbeck ? Then letting 2 of them leave also.

Once you then add Mata into the equation you're really looking at a completely unbalanced team wouldn't you say now ?

Can't remember who the manager was that said it, but the comments was basically "You bring players in if the players you are bringing in are better than the ones you already have"

If Man Utd have the money (they do) then i don't think anyone can dispute that Falcao >>> Hernandez and Welbeck - especially as they have him on tick for now, and will more than likely make it permanent in the summer. So it's good business for me. As was said yesterday, when a player of his quality comes available, and is willing to join you, it's not very easy to turn him down.

The issue remains that it's not in attack that their issue lies - despite their current scoring record, I don't think anyone really sees that as being anything other than a blip (although they do also need creativity). Defensive solidity is what they need, unless LvG seriously plans to win every game 6-5.

Just Like City bought the league, UTD are throwing their money around and buying 5th place. Not right if you ask me. Let other teams have a shot at the Europa League...

Weeksy - Rooney is not a striker though really, is he? And Hernandez and Wellbeck are not very good ones. Well Hernandez is good as a super-sub, but never delivers when he starts. Falcao is world class. As are the rest of his buys (Di Maria is quality!). I agree that we need defenders. We can't just buy a whole squad in one go. He's looking at it long term.

His buys, and this formation, do suggest he is indeed going down the Kevin Keegan route of suicidal attacking to outscore the opposition though. We'll just have to see how that develops though the season. I suspect that its a case of seeing how long he lasts before he admits defeat, and reverts back to a more solid, traditional English set up. 3 at the back in the Premiership is suicidal, when you look at the pace of the attack of the top teams

United have bought 3 defenders as well, it’s not all out attack!

I think they are missing Carrick at the moment, IMHO he’s been Uniteds best player for the last 2-3 seasons. He just sits in front of the back line does the simple things and makes them tick. It was the same last season when he was out United leaked goals and lacked any fluidity going forward.

Albeit one thats clearly not working at the moment, with this formation. He's looking to build a squad to play a certain way.

I do think Moyes was out of his depth, not so much in terms of the level of football required (they did relatively well in the CL) but in terms of the pressure. The rumour I heard was that Manu U could cut him with limited compensation if he finished outside the top 4 and I think that haunted him as the season went on. He was fired as soon as top 4 wasn't possible.

United have bought 3 defenders as well, it’s not all out attack!

True. But defending is a team game within a team game, so it takes time to gel, both with each other and within the system the manager decides he wants to adopt, before the defensive team really become instinctive with each other. I don't doubt that LvG can make it work, nothing in his record suggests he's going to do anything but make it work. In the meantime, they're going to have to endure some tough times and just hope the firepower at the other end sees them through.

Their next 5 games aren't (on paper) the most taxing - QPR, Leicester and WHU. Then Everton which is potentially tougher, and West Brom. And then Chelsea followed by Man City. He's got best part of 2 months to get it working, before the real test comes.

Agreed, and the injuries clearly aren’t helping either; it was the same last year if I remember correctly, loads of injuries just after pre-season.

Letting Vidic and Rio and Evra leave at the same time was always going to be a big upset. I know they didn’t play much together last season but having that much experience on the training pitch must have helped the younger players (although Evans and Smalling aren’t exactly youngsters any more).

£23 million for one player on loan for 1 year is not good business however good the player. No Europe and the highest spenders in the summer transfer window means no excuses.

How long will "believe in my philosophy" and "it's a long term project" hold any water?

How long will "believe in my philosophy" and "it's a long term project" hold any water?

That's the problem with football currently really. The answer seems to be 3 months... but should be a minimum of 12.

At Liverpool we're lucky that Rodgers seems to have hit the nail on the head quickly... but with Rodgers it's more than that, it's his passion, pride and desire to want to be LFC manager, this meant that even though he had a poor start results wise, the fans were (mostly) happy, he showed in his words that he had already fallen for the club, the fans and the history... so we stayed patient (unlike with Hodgson).

I'm not sure LVG is quite endearing himself to the Utd fans in quite the same way, which may ultimately prove his downfall.

However, they'd be foolish to do so, he's proven time and time again how good a manager he is...

LVG never starts well, wherever he goes. His early record at Bayern was a disaster. They looked like getting relegated. He turned that around pretty spectacularly. The next season they won the Bundesliga

I don't think he cares much about endearing himself to anyone, really. He's an arrogant sod! But then he does like winning stuff. And he's a bit good at it. For that reason, he'll get a bit of time I think. Lets be honest, he took over with everyone recognising that an awful lot of work needs doing

Rodgers had a lot of doubters during his first season and finished outside the top four. However it was obvious he had a good strategy and LFC had the foresight and patience to let him continue his work. I think Moyes wasn't given a fair amount of time and that LvG will need at least 18 months to be successful (ish). Will he get that time when the shareholders start stamping their feet particularly if he doesn't get CL football again? I doubt it.

I don't think fergie was a particularly endearing character, either early on or even once he got his feet under the table. But you become a lot more endearing when you can't get the front door open because of all the trophies stacked up behind it. That'll be what measures LvG in the end, not how well he handles himself at supporters club get-togethers.

I think the difference was that Rodgers came and it was immediately obvious that the way he wanted to play was either going to be successful or at the very least entertaining. And that's important for managers who need to overhaul squads because it buys them time with the supporters. Currently I don't think LVG has convinced anyone that the kind of football he wants to play is right for the PL.

We Liverpool fans are also notoriously supportive of anyone who buys into the history of the club and says all the right things about how 'big' and 'great' the club still is. And Rodgers did all that straight away so was always going to be given the time! I