[Closed] Made me ashamed to live where I do

Is the land used for anything at all, have they parked up on a football pitch?

A surprising number of people with strong opinions about "human rights" have almost no idea what the concept involves, do they?

Get one of these and go and show your support...

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its all a bit wrong really.

im not sure its a human right to park a van and caravan on privately owned land ?

equally im not sure the gym is a human right either.

[i]I was speechless.[/i]

What exactly are you speechless about? 😕

Which human rights allow the di... errrm Travellers to trespass and prevent access to the health club?

Made me ashamed to live where I do

Which caravan is yours? ....and isn't the geographical nature of your shame easily remedied? 8)

Beaten to it. Was just going to add that as an edit. Damn you sausage boy 🙂

You're worried about the local populace's attitude to gypsies? Come to Morley and you'll probably be reassured that it's not quite as bad where you are..

We have public meetings about plans to expand [b]legitimate[/b] sites with hundreds unable to get into the town hall and councillors trotting out "over my dead body" type comments (and, of course, no representation from the gypsy and traveller communities themselves).

[i]Is the land used for anything at all, have they parked up on a football pitch?[/i]

Football season start soon! 😡

It seemed to me that people could be a little less unpleasant I was surprised people get away with such open hatred.. Treat people like animals and that's what you get.

Had some travellers manage to get into the local park recently and set up. Pain in the posterior - they just leave rubbish in bags outside the caravan so the foxes rip into them. Eventually the police were called because they were driving around the football fields a high speed one evening for a laugh. Left a lot of mess.

My local park is well-used, especially in the summer months, for football training (boys and girls which is good), rugby, marching band practice, cricket and even croquet so it was a bit of a problem.

They eventually moved on but at the expense of the tent show as they had to lock the gates and customers couldn't park to buy stuff (that's how they managed to get in) and had to park elsewhere and walk in.

"Treat people like animals and that's what you get."

nope thats definantly how they arrived.

the first set we had were lovely people - about 12 families in all - nice clean living , tidy people.

then another 30 turned up - the first 12 were forced out - this lot were roudy , abusive, stealing sheep and butchering them for the fire , leaving rubbish , chucking it out of their windows as they drove up the road , stole a motorbike and burned it out in the quarry.

live and let live but that lot....well. animals as you say.

I find the charming Romany types most appealing trait, when they set up near us recently, was just squatting down and curling off a big steaming turd in the middle of the footpath

It was an interesting little history lesson in what life must be like . Going for a walk and avoiding the depth charges all over the place, from delightful travelling folk treating the place like an open sewer

[i]It seemed to me that people could be a little less unpleasant I was surprised people get away with such open hatred.. Treat people like animals and that's what you get.[/i]

Its hardly open hatred, although hearing some of the stories from people who have had to deal with these situations.....it would hardly be surprising if it were.

How about the adage of treating people as you would like to be treated and respecting other peoples lives? What gives anyone the right to park their homes on other peoples land and.....oh you know the rest!

Some people are idiots, some are not. Lifestyle or culture has nothing to do with this.

As above really, if they could look after their sites better, not be too anti-social and leave no trace, they would have many more places open to them.

So to clarify. If Danny Mac does his next video in a travellers site, then STW would implode?

....and Danny would probably get his bike nicked.

Binners

Sometimes you need to confuse the opposition.

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Step away from the keyboard, fasthaggis.

You're obviously plastered.

I've met some lovely members of the travelling community at permanent sites - though I'm never sure how a traveller can have a permanent site tbh. Keep their sites and vans immaculate, very respectful, though they have some very "old-fashioned" views on some issues.

I have also had to deal with the "trespassing" variety of travellers, nearly of whom were arrogant, confrontational and convinced that they have a God given right to do as they please on other peoples property with impunity, usually involving their "human rights".

A little tolerance on both sides would help the reasonable majority find a way to co-exist. I would be tempted to then adopt a swift zero tolerance approach to the remaining extremes on both sides of the debate. 👿

I used to commute past a designated local authority well-maintained Traveller caravan site and there was rarely more than a few vans there. Having not had the opportunity to treat travellers in any particular way my experiences of them have all been negative. Sad, but true.

OP lets here some of your positive experiences with travellers.

I was speechless

We had a £5000 clean up bill after these quaint travellers invaded our company grounds. Sorted our scrap disposal out though but that's usually our xmas bonus.

"We have human rights and we can't use the healthclub, People pay to use that facility, they are being denied their human rights too"

It seemed to me that people could be a little less unpleasant I was surprised people get away with such open hatred.. Treat people like animals and that's what you get.

It's got nothing to do with my experiences with travellers good or otherwise. It's that someone could, without a hint of irony, use the words human rights in regard to their gym membership. It's a bit indicative of how, as prices rise in an area, normal people with a sense of perspective are replaced by insular dickheads who think their wealth gives them special rights to treat and think about other people as though they are shit. Perhaps hatred was the wrong word but it's a hateful mindset.

happened a few weeks ago in a gym in orpington .

same comments about unable to use the gym in the local newspaper .

actually shows 'hatred'...

Oh FFS, don't go and spoil it. I was just starting to foam at the mouth.

I thought gypo's were the last type of people its still acceptable to hate? Well them and fatties of course.

edlong - Member

You're worried about the local populace's attitude to gypsies? Come to Morley and you'll probably be reassured that it's not quite as bad where you are..

We have public meetings about plans to expand legitimate sites with hundreds unable to get into the town hall and councillors trotting out "over my dead body" type comments (and, of course, no representation from the gypsy and traveller communities themselves).

I know the site they are trying to expand and it's a shit hole. Plenty of police raids there to recover stolen goods. Nice bunch of people there that are just misunderstood.
If I still lived in Morley I would object too. Ask the local businesses how they like their neighbours including the farm above them.

I'm 25% Gypsy. Funerals can be interesting.

I thought gypo's were the last type of people its still acceptable to hate? Well them and fatties of course.

Gingers, can we still do the Gingers?

I would suggest that the OP updates us on his feelings towards the travellers in about 3 months time.

Who'd be a fat ginger gypsy these days eh?

Seems to me that if I was a traveller I'd be off around Europe enjoying the sun. Or do they need to be here for benefits?

"Treat people like animals and that's what you get."

treat somebodies property like a pig sty and get treated like animals.

I'm still slightly confused why the O :?P thinks membership of a gym excludes you from human rights legislation

craigxxl - Member

edlong - Member

You're worried about the local populace's attitude to gypsies? Come to Morley and you'll probably be reassured that it's not quite as bad where you are..

We have public meetings about plans to expand legitimate sites with hundreds unable to get into the town hall and councillors trotting out "over my dead body" type comments (and, of course, no representation from the gypsy and traveller communities themselves).

I know the site they are trying to expand and it's a shit hole. Plenty of police raids there to recover stolen goods. Nice bunch of people there that are just misunderstood.
If I still lived in Morley I would object too. Ask the local businesses how they like their neighbours including the farm above them.

Not that site as it goes, but I know the one you mean, very close to where I live and I pass it often. There are indeed many objections about the expansion of that site, and pretty reasonable ones to. In fact, many of the Gypsies / Travellers, and certainly GATE (the charity that supports / advocates in Leeds for that community) all agree that the proposed expansion isn't suitable or appropriate.

No, this was about a proposed new site, on the old Orcol oil recovery site by the station if you know the area (prior to that the gasworks, gives you an indication of how suitable that land might or might not be to be lived on). Again, there are many reasonable objections to why this may not be a suitable residential site for travellers, but much of what was reported from the public meeting was not reasonable, it was racist stigmatisation and ignorance that would almost certainly not be tolerated against any other group, but is okay when aimed at Gypsies and Travellers.

I have had hundreds of exchanges with gypsies, all of them negative
Never had the truth out of them
Locked a fair few up for ripping old people off for building jobs
In my opinion they are a waste of space

slowoldman - Member

Who'd be a fat ginger gypsy these days eh?

What are the hours?
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Back in the 80s if you rode a motorbike you were a baby killing hellos angel.
You couldn't go in most pubs or restaurants. So toy runs were organised and a major PR push to let everyone know we were nice people.
Travellers should really take that advice on board rather than trashing everything within a mile of where they camp.

I know the site they are trying to expand and it's a shit hole. Plenty of police raids there to recover stolen goods. Nice bunch of people there that are just misunderstood.

So are they actually nicking stuff and the police are getting it back or are the police just assuming that they're on the rob?

Locked a fair few up for ripping old people off for building jobs

My grandfather got taken by a load of them before he died. Luckily my old man was called by the bank after they came back for a second load of cash so he was able to deal with it.

It's a good job nobody is ever ripped off by cowboy builders/groundworkers/lanscapers etc that aren't travellers. It gives a good indication of who to employ to do work around your house.

it was racist stigmatisation and ignorance that would almost certainly not be tolerated against any other group, but is okay when aimed at Gypsies and Travellers.

If any other group sets up shop near my house, like the Pikeys did last year, then proceeded to not only treat the place like dump, but an open sewer too, curling off steaming Jobbies on the surrounding footpaths, I'll let you know my feelings about them. I'd hazard a guess, they'd be less than positive though.

People don't object to them because of some small-minded, bigoted, ignorant prejudice, they object to them because of their own experiences of them acting like a bunch of ****s!!! 🙄