They are told that immigration has no effect on jobs and wages, (relying once again on that pesky average caveat) but watch the vans full of immigrant workers driving through the factory gates.
and people are also sick of the absence of any facts, making statements that rely on anecdote and somebodies experience somewhere.
Part of the problem was not addressing some of the concerns, the bigger problem were those exploiting the concerns in inflating the numbers and impacts.
It was also very evident that gaps in skills, training and job creation in some areas was firmly due to successive governments from both sides of the floor not giving a damm about those people.
and people are also sick of the absence of any facts
You mean the 'facts' that came out of studies that were carried out by the same borgeoise who wanted to keep us in Europe, and funded by EU research grants?
Ask a loaded question, get a loaded answer.
People hear the politicians and comforted bourgeoise telling them that immigrants aren't being given council houses, while watching it happen in their street. They are told that immigration has no effect on jobs and wages, (relying once again on that pesky average caveat) but watch the vans full of immigrant workers driving through the factory gates.
Ninfan is absolutely bang on.
So no I can see the Lib Dems making no gains whatsoever this election, they might even go backwards.
Ask a loaded question, get a loaded answer.
Sorry I forgot you don't like things that disagree with your opinions...
Sorry I forgot you don't like things that disagree with your opinions...
Strangely however, It seems like the majority of the electorate agree with me.
what makes you think that your understanding of the issues is better than theirs? That your opinion is right, and theirs wrong?
In the words of Shakespeare - "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."
what makes you think that your understanding of the issues is better than theirs?
This is where you are getting things confused.
Firstly the areas with the least immigration were some of the bigger leave votes - whats their issues and experiences?
Next up you refuse to listen to facts or experts, what formed the opinions in people, what are their actual issues and how are they caused by immigration?
How did government policy help these people to move on with their lives, how did the government work to fix these problems over the last 10 years?
How much did leave play the race card in attempts to divide the population?
How much did leave play the race card in attempts to divide the population?
What race are polish people then? EU immigration has been almost exclusively white & catholic.
What race are polish people then? EU immigration has been almost exclusively white & catholic.
Apologies, you're going to evade it all by being pedantic again. Enjoy your day...
Sorry I forgot you don't like things that disagree with your opinions...
How much did leave play the race card in attempts to divide the population?
What race are polish people then? EU immigration has been almost exclusively white & catholic.
Why so much focus on Turkey joining the EU (despite it not happening and UK having a veto)?
What about the leaflets focusing on Turkey, and its non-EU neighbours?
How many white Catholics in that poster Farage stood in front of?
Anything we do to argue this point will be shouted down by "are you calling us racist?" and, "stop snearing at us."
can we not do the same research as a standalone country would?
How can anyone reply to this without appearing to be snearing…?
Do you really think research happens within a national bubble?
Snearing, snearing, snearing trump card in play.what makes you think that your understanding of the issues is better than theirs? That your opinion is right, and theirs wrong?
Farage wasn't part of the vote leave campaign
PS, kelvin, it's spelt 'sneering' (he said, condescendingly 😉 )
And what?
Ah, Turkey
UK government policy was to remain in the EU
UK government policy was to support The long term goal of Turkish EU accession
So what was your problem with it being an issue in the referendum?
Take a look at that Leave leaflet again… why the focus on Iraq and Syria?
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No more engagement with you from now on Ninfan, waste of my time.
Anyway… LibDems don't use these techniques, and they work, so no, they won't make much of an impact in the current political climate. This is a country of nationalists now, encouraged by papers owned by foreign interests.
ninfan - MemberAh, Turkey
UK government policy was to remain in the EU
UK government policy was to support The long term goal of Turkish EU accession
And which member of that government supported Turkish accession? Why, none other than our dear old Boris Johnson!
ninfan - Member
Farage wasn't part of the vote leave campaign
If you're going to be condescendingly pedantic, you need to understand the use of lowercase there old niffer.
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The leave campaign (note lowercase) happily recreated that old Nazi poster (probably coincidence) using people with non-white skins in the shot. Fronted by your old mate Farage.
But I'm sure it wasn't slightly racist or a wee bit fascist.
EU immigration has been almost exclusively white & catholic.
Which will be a huge disappointment to the Brexies banking on a reduction in the numbers of non-whites - when they realise it.
