[Closed] Leon Brittan's dead

My thoughts exactly. Where's kaesea or jivehoney at a push? We need some evidence...

Ken Dodds dad's dog's dead.

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Diddy?

Oh, sorry. Wrong joke.

as well as turning a blind eye to abuse *he did a lot for science as well eh debunking the global warming myth

* you cannot slander the dead knock yourself out 😉

I'm very sorry to hear of his timely death...

Wasn't there a rape allegation dating back to the 1960s? Of course, were I a suspicious man I might suspect that any investigation into this or Elm Lodge was being stalled for a reason...

^^this.

So, maybe we will get a little nearer to the truth now or are there still some more to fall off the perch first.

He received the file and he passed it on to be investigated. I believe when the inquiry is completed he will be cleared of any inference of wrong doing.

It's all gone quiet on Rotheram hasn't it, a real scandal there and one I fear is being repeated around the country today.

No doubt in my mind; senior politicians all involved so the longer the enquiry can be deleyed, the better. And child abuse isn't confined to Rotherham, for sure.

I wore my dancing shoes out when Thatcher went so I'll just say good riddance to bad rubbish.

My uncle wroked in the civil service at the he was in the Thatcher government and then suddenly moved to a role in the EC. There was no doubt at the time it was linked to his predaliction for young boys.

I met him as a young boy when we was campaigning in West Riding back in the day.....

I met him last year, clearly you cannot draw any inference for what may have happened in the past but he was a very distinguished old man

Child abuse. Pfft. What about his real offences. He was just another one of Thatchers uncaring henchmen, responsible for laying waste to entire communities in the north without a second thought, then carried on with the usual well trodden, taxpayer-milking House of Lords/EU Commissioner route

*goes to dust off dancing shoes*

@binners, I think that view is the undercurrent for what's been posted above

BTW working for the EU and actually being actively involved we should commend him for, better than UKIP who take the money and rarely turn up. House of Lords you only get paid for turning up and then just a few hundred quid a day. Bargain.

He received the file and he passed it on to be investigated. I believe when the inquiry is completed he will be cleared of any inference of wrong doing.

It's all gone quiet on Rotheram hasn't it, a real scandal there and one I fear is being repeated around the country today.

This made me LOL.

EDIT: made me LOL as well but he actually means it.

He received the file and he passed it on to be investigated. I believe when the inquiry is completed he will be cleared of any inference of wrong doing.

even by your standards that is AWESOME *

On the one hand we have you on the other we have Jive. Neither capable of seeing the truth.

*unless of course you are predicting a cover up

BTW working for the EU and actually being actively involved we should commend him for, better than UKIP who take the money and rarely turn up.

So the benchmark for someone being worthy of respect and admiration is now 'well.... he's not as bad as Farage'?

I'll stick with my original appraisal thanks

*goes to dust off dancing shoes*

Tango or foxtrot? 😀

BTW working for the EU and actually being actively involved we should commend him for, better than UKIP who take the money and rarely turn up. House of Lords you only get paid for turning up and then just a few hundred quid a day.

Surely if you have a file of allegations you pass them to the police, although I appreciate their track record isn't so great and certainly wasn't back then. Just because someone handed you a letter/file/etc doesn't make you personally responsible for the matter from that point on.

Lets wait and see what the outcome of the investigation is, I hope the issues around it's staffing can be sorted soon.

Yeah, but lets be honest, without going along with the swivel eyed loon conspiracy theories, all we've heard so far sounds a bit 'the dog ate my homework sir' doesn't it?

And the 'investigation', such as it is, has been a catalogue of brutal insensitivity, bordering on contempt, towards the victims. And at best; utter incompetence! To the point where you do wonder if its wilful?

The whole thing is a shambolic disgrace! Would you have any confidence in whatever [s]whitewash[/s] report it eventually produces? If it ever actually does?

jambalaya - Member

Surely if you have a file of allegations you pass them to the police

And if you have any decency whatsoever, you make damn sure something is done about it.

He is damned by his inaction.
His failure to act speaks volumes.

I do get the "dog eat my homework" excuse but is that really an issue for Brittan personally. He passed it on plus what about the Tory MP who put it forward (I don't know the answer, not a trick/troll.

He is damned by his inaction.
His failure to act in the manner expected of anyone, let alone someone in his position speaks volumes.

Now he's dead all you'll have is a series of hearsay allegations and counter allegations. The documentary evidence has gone down the back of the sofa.

You have any confidence in the inquiry? Its a joke!! I was reading yesterday that Ben Emerson QC (sounds quite 'establishment, doesn't he?), in the absence of a chair, has effectively appointed himself as such, and is basically bullying and intimidating the victims into silence.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/21/child-abuse-inquiry-legal-adviser-westminster-bullying-row ]Sound confidence inspiring to you? [/url] Because to me it sounds like more of the total shambles its been from day one!

Hey, you can't beat the "establishment", you ingnorant working class plebs 🙂

@binners enquiries are generally run by lawyers/ judges etc, that's normal, that's how they work. We are not going to have it run by some bloke down the pub are we ?

Now he's dead all you'll have is a series of hearsay allegations and counter allegations. The documentary evidence has gone down the back of the sofa.

Numerous reports online from Jul 2014 of a statement from Britton (and parts of a letter released) showing he passed the dossier to the DPP and the Police.

Hate that bloke full stop
Remember seeing out in Covent Garden many years back sporting a slight black eye

I met him last year, clearly you cannot draw any inference for what may have happened in the past but he was a very distinguished old man

And from this meeting you can? Right.

but as a 75 year old man with cancer what are you going to learn.

What Binners and Rusty said

Seriously what sort of person gets a dossier of high level sexual abuse and forgets all about it and then admits to it afterwards?

Let's wait for inquiry when we'll have a better idea of the facts and chain of events

I dont think you need to be either sherlock Holmes or Jive to work this one out tbh - any more than we need Silcott to tell us about Blair.

Take you pick from incompetent lying bastard [ till theletter proved he was lying and he changed his story] or a corrupt individual who enabled paedos to carry on unabated
I know its rude to say it but you have to be just trolling your wee heart out on every STW subject.
As for your meeeting was THM there with some MP's 😉

Binners I am not sure we should involve the victims as much as they seem to wish. Justice needs some detachment and any figure will be "establishment" as they will work in the legal field or some such

Victims are after all the witnesses and they should not be involved in picking the system or the judge any more than the accused should.

I'm not saying whether they should be involved or not. What I'm saying is that you can't involve them - and let's be honest, it was only ever being used as a fig leaf - then start ordering them to shut up when they voice entirely legitimate concerns about the rank incompetence (at best!) in the way the whole thing is being carried out.

It stinks! And I think we should be reserving judgement on Leon and his selfless (highly paid) public service, until a lot of questions are answered about his personal involvement in some extremely dodgy goings on

just a few hundred quid a day. Bargain.

What planet are you on? Cretin.

[url= http://www.inquisitr.com/1726739/prince-andrew-sex-tape-exists-secret-video-could-link-prince-to-underage-sex-slave-latest-report-claims/ ]Wasn't there cameras at Elm Guest House too? [/url]

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EDIT: Also of note that Malcolm Ri****d, Chair of the UK Intelligence and Security Committee is/was Leon Brittan's cousin

Is having cancer like having alzheimer's in your view?

All the hate here is politically motivated as Brittan was Home Secretary under Thatcher.

I dont think you need to be either sherlock Holmes or Jive to work this one out tbh - any more than we need Silcott to tell us about Blair.

footflaps - Member
I met him as a young boy when we was campaigning in West Riding back in the day.....

It's not the home secretary's job to do the filing

Filing? Is that what it comes under? So a fellow MP comes to you with an extensive dossier claiming that a number of your colleagues, as well as senior members of the police, are involved in a peadophile ring, and for years have been systematically abusing young boys, and in some cases to the degree that they've been subsequently killed?

No... you're right. Why would you remember that any more than anything else that landed on your desk? I'm sure you wouldn't bother making any enquiries at all about any truth being in it? Or indeed, if it had even been followed up, at all? No... I probably wouldn't have done that either. That being the kind of thing not really being worthy of note, as it happens all the time. You'd just pass it on to Beryl, ask her to pass it on to whoever, and think nothing more about it? 🙄

All the hate here is politically motivated as Brittan was Home Secretary under Thatcher.

No... thats just an additional, equally valid, reason to dislike him. But its got eff all to do with people (lets just call them people, as it sounds better than victims, or survivors eh?) demanding answers about his personal involvement in all this. I'm not one for conspiracies, but this whole thing, and his part in it, is riddled with inconsistencies, and quite frankly stinks to high heaven!

And now we have an inquiry set up that, being as charitable as possible to them, doesn't seem in any particular hurry to come up with any answers

All the hate here is politically motivated as Brittan was Home Secretary under Thatcher.

Wow. Your party loyalty/blinkers/rose tinted glasses is being stretched to the extreme on this one. I hated him for his involvement in the miners strike among other things, but that pales into insignificance against the stench of child abuse, rape, murder, and potential cover-ups to protect those who were involved.

Not surprising there may be some variance in what he remembered.

All the hate here is politically motivated as Brittan was Home Secretary under Thatcher.

and of course oh the irony of you saying it those questioning his role who are politically motivated given your unswerving support for the good egg Tory you met etc. This really is satirical genius.

Any MP of either side who says they voted for the Iraq war based on the 45 min claim or any other details provided by Blair are trying to re-write history

In memorium: Here lies a true ****

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Maybe you're right though. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt eh? Seeing as he seemed like a nice old chap. Maybe concentrating on politicising a police force, and deploying it as a militia to violently suppress 'the Enemy Within' plays havoc with your memory? If you've got the more important stuff to be getting on with, then the odd murderous peadophile ring can slip underneath the radar....

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Lifted this from twitter:

Leon Brittan is guilty of nothing…. It’s all just lies, conspiracies & smears, except:

1) Hillsborough No cover up, 'just a conspiracy theory', blah blah…. Turned out to be true

2) Plot to stitch up Arthur Scargill via MI5 & Stella Rimmington – 'just a conspiracy theory' turned out to be true

3) No plot to de-stabilise Harold Wilson, it’s a 'just a conspiracy theory'. Thatcher even ‘investigated it’ – turned out to be true

4) No plot via armed forces, Goldsmith, & Monarchy to launch a coup in 70’s – 'just a conspiracy theory'– turned out to be true

5) Colin Wallace framed for murder to stop him blowing lid on Operation Clockwork Orange, 'just a conspiracy theory' – turned out true

6) We didn’t deliberately engineer the miner’s strike to break the industry, 'just a conspiracy theory', turned out to be true

7) The state not involved in Pat Finucane murder…'just a conspiracy theory'… Turned out to be true

8 ) The state not involved in Rosemary Nelson murder…'just a conspiracy theory'… Turned out to be true

9) No MI5 involvement in Australia Whitlam government coup – 'just a conspiracy theory'~ turned out to be true

10) Peter Hayman, Cyril Smith, Peter Morrison – not paedophiles, 'just a conspiracy theory' – turned out to be true

11) There is nothing untoward in Dr David Kelly autopsy reports – so we'll censor it for the next 70 years~ conspiracy?