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As a drugs worker, genuinely interested to get email responses from anyone with experience of K.
My first ever pill was a "Special K" at the Astoria in 1989 - I took it about 10pm, next thing I know it's 8am and I'm devoid of clothes dancing on top of a table - good times
Use it alot on the great north air ambulance, great drug - probly not the experiences your after though!
Was hoping to get real feed back rather than willy wavers shouting " My name is Lanesra and I am special"
Real people please?
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It's helpful when you have a beast with tightfanny (veterinary term).
🙄 nice one, nobhead - What's your problem has your tight fitting roadie gear got stuck up your own arse
Just so you realise, you don't actually remember what happened
I bet you turn up to your drug meetings on your Bianchi (Road Bike) without a ****ing clue about real life/drugs and all your clients laugh at you
Dr Death, and Dr Do could you mail me please with genuine experiences if you have time. It's a relatively new drug where I live so would love to get more gen info so I can help my users.
The only time I have seen people taking it was at a party and all they did was gouch on the sofa for a few hours afterwards. Polypharmacia was the name of the game for them that night. Not had it myself - I don't see the appeal.
I know a gay chap who uses it as a muscle relaxant for those difficult moments.
My experience is it's use on others; it's a cracking analgesic, but it's use is limited by the 'emergence' phenomena..
ie; you can cut someones leg off after giving it, but they tend to see spiders as big as your head.
Why it has become a drug of abuse is beyond me.
...as far as I know it's not a controlled drug, so supply is probably easier than morphine, temazepam, etc.
Jazzer out of the Archers had a bad time of it a couple of years ago. So it must be well passe now. I believe it's a bit of a rural drug.
It is a controlled drug.
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Emergence phenomena can be reduced with a bit of Midazolam as they come round... although the big spiders are quite good fun! 😉
Controlled now? oh, it's been a whle since I've used it.
...and I wonder what animals see; it has a reputation as a vetinary drug.
Lanesra - MemberMy first ever pill was a "Special K" at the Astoria in 1989 - I took it about 10pm, next thing I know it's 8am and I'm devoid of clothes dancing on top of a table - good times
...yours seems to have undoubtedly been good fun, but quite possibly not really ketamine but something a bit livelier. Under the table under a pile of coats would have been the response to proper ketamine. Probably just as well, I have worked with/looked after many poly-drug users and none of them had much positive to say about it apart from its relatively low price.
The medical application for it is anaesthesia, often in trauma/emergency care. If you are in the k-hole you don't necessartily lose consciousness (dose dependent) but neither do you notice them sawing your legs off to get you out of a motorway pile-up. Sounds like fun 😐
Dr D, beer isn't a drug in the same mould. I agree, it is a drug, but responsible use is the key here.
Don't think it is a controlled drug (officially) may be treated as one by some hospitals. Like oramorph.
Schedule C not B or A iirc - so it is controlled in the same way as say antibiotics but not in the same way as morphine.
CFH - alcohol does more damage than illegal drugs ( arguably)
[i]Some[/i] of the illegal drugs are far less damaging than alcohol and tobacco. The classifications of drugs are rather arbitary
not sure why you would hope for drug info on here.
still, food for the troll, [url= http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_faq.shtml ]Erowid Ket[/url]
What sort of first hand experiences are you after? Funny shit, Medical shit, Addiction shit, Why, Where, Why (again), prices, sources, target market
my mates that take it do it in combination with pills, to enhance the experience, make it more trippy, visuals etc and to prolong the ecstasy high, my mates refer to it as keeping it 'rolling' without keeping you gurning like a headcase
i suspect this is partly as its so hard to find pure pills today
have done it a few times- small amounts, cant say was able to distinguish effects from whatever else id consumed?!
k-holes are intense bouts of introspection and maybe depression/ insecurity for some can last quite a while usually requires a good chat and some hugs to get them back!
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But a few at the pub then buying some from Oddbins isn't going to make you trip your nuts off after spunking your hard earned to the criminal underclass before jumping from a window because you believe you're a flying wizard.
Alcohol is a drug. It harms people. So does smoking, TJ (remember?). But, neither of them are as pathetically stupid as taking a horse tranquiliser for "fun".
Have a pint, smoke a cigar. Smile.
Drop a horse tranquiliser. Someone chops your leg off, you can't realise it's happening. As Julian says, what fun! 😐
I once had ecstasy with loads of ket in apparently , i fell asleep. ❓
Had Ketamine back a few years,its suposed to be a pain killer, it just made my leg numb for the night,was given it by a nice nurse,in a hospital after being admitted as an urgent case,suffering from a pilondial abcess,the pain was intence, and then i had a dead leg,very strange dreams though.
cfh- arguing about responsible use of drugs alcohol comes out very low
no drug causes the same amount of violence, vandalisim and idiocy as alcohol, nothing really comes close
From a medical point of view, a sensible dose of ketamine isn't [i]that[/i] bad for you (compared to medical risks of crack, cheap coke/amphetamines or adulterated cement-infused heroin that is) if you aren't too susceptible to the hallucinations and they don''t make you flip out and do something daft while you're on it. Or if you are susceptible to drug induced psychosis, or suffer from schizoprenia/schizoaffective disorder.
The thing that puzzles me is that for most people it really just isn't any fun. Its association with music/festivals/clubs/parties puzzles me cos you just miss out on all the good bits. Most people i know/know of who got into it did so as an almighty 'snooze button' to the alarm clock of real life.
I had hoped to get some sensible responses but when you get CFH calling it a "tranqualiser" (it isn't), Lanesra shouting "nobhead" and a reference to "The Archers" I guess it is game over.
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kimbers, I hold the lager swilling oiks causing such antisocial behaviour in the same low regard as mindless drug taking numpties.
Always wondered why people who make a post (and their name is shown as making the post) sign off with their user name (or a shortened version, there of)
Lanesra (in case anyone was wondering)
Just say neigh...
Donkey jacket, mine.
Lanesra ??? My stw name is Bianchiboy, I sign off as BB (short for bianchiboy in case you are struggling) and my real name is Ian Warnes.
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I had hoped to get some sensible responses but when you get CFH calling it a "tranqualiser" (it isn't), Lanesra shouting "nobhead" and a reference to "The Archers" I guess it is game over.
Oh dry your eyes!
[b]Bianchi-Boy[/b]....what do you expect with a name like that, eh? How's trade with the recession 'n all?
I thought the diassociative affect could be used to treat depression?
Julian W, could I mail you tomorrow for more info please? Especially for your experience of working with users?
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My sister has used it loads.
She's a vet.
Know too many people who take it, they all really enjoy it!
Doesn't interest me.
It's anti-social and is killing the atmosphere in the clubbing scene.
Lanesra shouting "nobhead"
...don't let that put you off, he always says that. Perhaps he has a shortcut key for it. It will be because you pointed at his willy or something.
For stuff like this that has a few 'loud shouters' responding who may not necessarily represent the whole picture, you may be better off joining and consulting a 'susbscriber only' email or forum based discussion group of other drug workers. We have a similar thing in our particular conrner of the already small corner of child psychiatry, partly so we don't confuse or worry people who get the wrong end of the stick of our discussions, and partly so we don't get the same 50 doctor-impersonators, angry teens or parents posting all the time and muddying the waters. Not sure where you would start finding the equivalent in drug-work-land though.
BB emails welcome but bear in mind my knowledge is based on the job (not drugs work proper but quite a few dual diagnosis psychosis cases) I did 3+ years ago, actually some of the above comments are news to me too! Happily ketamine is not of much interest to the messed up teenagers of devon and cornwall (yet!) so i haven't encountered any users for a while.
Alcohol is a drug. It harms people. So does smoking, TJ (remember?). But, neither of them are as pathetically stupid as taking a horse tranquiliser for "fun".
Have a pint, smoke a cigar. Smile.
Ah yes, let's consider the honourable tradition of tobacco production. How about British American Tobacco as your starter for 10? Staunch supporter of the military dictatorship in Burma, implicated in dubious tax evasion, smuggling and numerous other despicably unethical practices. A venerable heritage indeed, overseen by the mighty Ken Clarke, one of your beloved Tory crones (a former health secretary no less). Now just you make sure you "spunk your cash" to the right [i]sort[/i] of criminals.
What's that I smell CFH, a whiff of one of your finest Monte AA's? No, my mistake, it's the putrid stench of hypocrisy emanating from your post. 😉
As for the OP, having been around various people using ket recreationally several years back up till more recently, it seems entirely pointless, for the reasons julianwilson and others point at.
partly so we don't get the same 50 doctor-impersonators,
Eh? it's only [b]2 so far[/b], maximum. So much for [b]your empirical methods[/b], Psych-med quackboy.
I smoke Upmanns by preference, not Montes. Thanks, though.
So, what cigars do BAT make then, remind me?
I've seen a few of my mates get far too in to the K, but to suggest they lie about semi-conscious sawying each others legs off is nonsense. Actually what they do is sit up all night talking sh1t and spunking money on booze and more drugs. A waste of time, money and braincells; but not the scene from Trainspotting the high horse jockeys on here would suggest.
Do you have cuban cigars tho CFH?
There was a piece on the radio today and IIRC they said somewhere up noth was using it for child trauma cases. Could get injured children treated more efficiently and out of hospital faster - they never mentioned any other effects, guess they were using other drugs in tandem to suppress them.
Eh? it's only 2 so far, maximum. So much for your empirical methods, Psych-med quackboy.
Excuse my poor phrasing of this. I was talking about mental health forums not bike chat ones but that didn't really come across up there^^ did it? 😳
There are plenty of real doctors on here (i thought you were too, non?), but try starting a forum about child psychiatry and see how many randoms you get there!
fwiw i am a senior nurse/manager in child and adolescent mental health but hey, how would you really know?? They check you out before they let you in on the one i mentioned earlier.
TJ, I smoke Cubans most of the time, yes. I know, it's rather against much of what you may think of me to support a communist state, but they do make the best cigars!
Sumatran are quite nice as a play cigar (Villigers)
Regretamine, as I prefer to call it.
CFH- sorry 'bout that other post, just any suggestion that tobacco (from any common source) is somehow a (relatively) socially responsible form of drug use is laughable. It's a disgusting industry and bringing up BAT (and thus Ken) were just one means of getting a rise from you. Anyway, you seem an affable chap and I made my point so I won't derail the thread further. No offence taken, i hope.
Anyway, you seem an affable chap and I made my point so I won't derail the thread further. No offence taken, i hope.
No he's not. He's a daft ctun, you crawling shti.
😆 @ Dr D!
c_p - Not a jot of offence taken, I assure you. Why would there be? You have a valid point. The tobacco industry is far from the shining light it could be.
CaptainFlashheart - MemberTJ, I smoke Cubans most of the time, yes. I know, it's rather against much of what you may think of me to support a communist state, but they do make the best cigars!
Your political idealogy may be stupid and wrongheaded but I recognise the epicurean in you and I don't believe your ideology makes you blind ( or kills your tastebuds 🙂 )
😆No he's not. He's a daft ctun, you crawling shti.
[i]your ideology makes you blind[/i]
I suspect his attention to Carol Kirkwoods secondary sexual characteristics may contribute to a certain degree of visual impairment...
Got given some Ketamine when i dislocated my ankle 8 weeks back, why on earth people would take it for fun is beyond me.
It was like the scene in Trainspotting where the guy injects heroin and falls into a hole. I was totally out of it and babbling absolute nonsense i have been assured by my friends!!!
Drugs are bad m`kay, oh of course except in socially acceptable forms like ciggys and booze 🙂
An aquaintance of mine became psychotic for several weeks after taking (so far as I know) only ketamine and alcohol - I think the ketamine was taken to allow him to drink more ?!
Anyway, he went through periods of talking a lot about all the great ideas he was having and the realization that he was "part of a cosmic force" interspersed with bouts of silence and crying.
Several of his "friends" seem to have disowned him.
Hmm, I thought the OP asked for drug experiences not a re-hashing of some very tired old arguments from people who clearly understand nothing.
I think the ketamine was taken to allow him to drink more
No wonder he came unstuck.
Does seem to be psychologically habit-forming for some people, which I can sort of understand, but you'd have to be pretty bored IMO.
None of the posts above really convey how hilarious and bizarre it can be, the best way of describing it is to say that it's like being in on a really amusing secret.
It's funny reading some of the posts on this thread, the same old rehashings of 'alcohol is more dangerous than pills', etc., and vice versa.
It's all blody dangerous once it gets out of hand, or is that an over simplification?
Reading this thread makes me want to be unconscious
Mmm, drug induced coma...
It's anti-social and is killing the atmosphere in the clubbing scene.
I think you'll find the complete dissapearance of 3-4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine is killing the club scene, rather than Ketamine.
I have some past experience, although my raving days are long gone, just the very occasional spliff nowadays..
It's impossible to gauge it's effects because you can never tell what else is mixed into the pill (unless you have a mate who works for the air ambulance 😆 ) but it's safe to say Ketamine does the following when taken in large doses:
- loss of memory
- loss of speech
- loss of mobility
It was a poor substitute for "clean" ecstacy and wasn't nearly half as fun..
memories eh !!
BoardinBob nail-head sorted!!!!
BoardinBob - MemberIt's anti-social and is killing the atmosphere in the clubbing scene.
I think you'll find the complete dissapearance of 3-4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine is killing the club scene, rather than Ketamine.
Both.
It's not an either/or situation.
I've seen many people who used to be outgoing and fun when out, just sit around behind the decks in their own little K world.
Seen it used at work a fair bit. Best example being a guy who went from screaming agony to, quote, "being on a beach". Good pain control, then.
As for [i]using[/i] it - never seen the attraction (massive trauma aside). As with other recreational drugs, I'd rather read a book. Or have a pint. 😀
Had it in about 1963 when I was a student. By accident. I thought I was consuming my usual, more benign Class A's.
Didn't have a bad night on it, but recall ending it sitting in my kitchen watching the CIS tower swaying in the breeze like a read. Its a ****ing powerful hallucinagenic. If that's your bag
Oh.... and BoardinBob is bang on!