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It was too well crafted to ignore, you know I think he is getting back up to speed these days, using the less is more approach really, letting the quality come back through rather than the endless trump is awesome SNOWFLAKES!! line
Is he the right expert on all the things he speaks about?
Does he need to be? As long as he is not
misrepresenting what his qualifications qualify him to speak about
which I don't think he is.
Using language that leaves what you say open to interpretation and not suited to the audience you are addressing would certainly raise some ethical questions about his professional standing.
He is a university professor who typically addresses university students. I don't think you can call someone's professional ethics into question because some crayon eating 'tard happens to have worked out how to use Youtube.
I don’t think you can call someone’s professional ethics into question because some crayon eating ‘tard happens to have worked out how to use Youtube.
That is the grey area, if he is aiming at these people or happy not to explain himself further when he might be getting misunderstood then he does bear responsibility. I know plenty of people who are highly qualified and know how to speak to different groups of people. We already have the people giving us their interpretation of what he has said so he is deliberately leaving things ambiguous.
I don't think it is fair to say that he is deliberately ambiguous, and my point was that unless one reserves their views to a locked room that no one is completely in control of their audience.
Listening to the above debate whilst playing games on another tab, I can't help but notice he sounds not too dissimilar to Kermit the Frog. 😆
Listening to the above debate whilst playing games on another tab, I can’t help but notice he sounds not too dissimilar to Kermit the Frog
Maybe that's why the OP likes him so much?
He strongly identifies with Kermit, as he has also suffered in an abusive relationship with a sexually aggressive female.
Mate, you're playing games on here too.
Don't act surprised when you're called out on it or people respond in a similar manner.
Are you actually suggesting that Peterson’s qualifications are not genuine?
Did gay swans give Cliff Richard cancer?
I don’t think it is fair to say that he is deliberately ambiguous, and my point was that unless one reserves their views to a locked room that no one is completely in control of their audience.
Like any good defence lawyer would say
Did gay swans give Cliff Richard cancer?
🙄
You were the person that used the term charlatan.
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I was just trying to clarify what you were saying, which is just as well as you appear to be using words that you don't know the meaning of.
Here is the debate on YT:
I’d rather remove my own kidneys with a teaspoon
You don;t value learning then Binners
Well done forum.
Well ****ing done.
A bit of a stealth edit there!
What for?
Like any good defence lawyer would say
A compliment! Keep 'em coming.
Well done forum.
Well **** done.
Let's try again - what for?
A bit of a stealth edit there!
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Yep, a good defence lawyer is like a good troll.... It's straight out of the ninfan playbook of lead it away from the things you don't want to talk about
You don't value learning then Binners
Au Contraire. i wander through the world, wide eyed in amazement, like a small child on a beach surveying the great ocean of knowledge that lies before me
But if you're classing 'learning' as watching two equally preening, self-absorbed faux intellectual blokes spout pseudo-pychology claptrap at each other on YouTube for hours, in some stupid point scoring exercise, I'll pass on that, thanks mate
Like I said... you should get out more.....
Let’s try again – what for?
Keep your hair on.
I was referring to the C+P cluster **** in my reply to ransos.
You don;t value learning then Binners
Or he would prefer to spend those hours learning something else. I cant say having Fry on the bill would get my hopes that high.
troll
That's me rebutted!
Keep your hair on.
I was referring to the C+P cluster **** in my reply to ransos.
If you're that sensitive, perhaps you shouldn't play with other children?
So far you're coming across as a hypocritical troll, a manchild unable to deal with the abuse you're happy to dish out.
I'll leave you to it.
And gt, making threats, even passive aggressive ones isn't really a nice thing to do.
If you’re that sensitive, perhaps you shouldn’t play with other children?
I'm fine thanks, what is it with everyone's obsession with projecting rage and angst unto others?
A man(child) can swear without bursting a blood vessel you know.
So far you’re coming across as a hypocritical troll, a manchild unable to deal with the abuse you’re happy to dish out.
If you think I'm being hypocritical point it out, and with the exception of being compared to ninfan I haven't received any abuse. Maybe it is you that is a bit too sensitive.
Geetee, maybe you missed it, but I did respond to you. Here it is again:
Do you have any clear evidence/links to Minassian’s character/motivation/background that we could possibly use as a starting point to discuss Peterson’s flat assertion about the reason/s for his crime?
I was just trying to clarify what you were saying, which is just as well as you appear to be using words that you don’t know the meaning of.
It could appear that way, I suppose.
Yet more evidence as to how monogamy is great for curbing male violence
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-23/when-women-are-believed-the-church-will-change/9782184
Or just keeping it quiet
I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. Had never heard of him until he popped up on my youtube. seems to be famous for being honest about the stupid law that Canada brought in. That interview on channel 4 was awful, the host clearly didn't research or listen to anything he was saying. as for the alt-right (who ever they are) are not part of the guys agenda. you can't stop people from following you. If people choose to send death and rape threats that is their choice, it has nothing to do with Prof. Peterson.
Malvern Rider
Geetee, maybe you missed it, but I did respond to you. Here it is again:
Do you have any clear evidence/links to Minassian’s character/motivation/background that we could possibly use as a starting point to discuss Peterson’s flat assertion about the reason/s for his crime?
Is that the 6th time you've asked the same question? It's obvious that you don't want an answer, you want Geetee to reply in a way that allows you to ascribe the worst possible meaning to what he says and post baseless rambling slanderous fear mongering shit like this.....
Binners, think 1950s. Back when hyper-masculinity was a thing, and ‘dorks’ would get sand kicked in their face or join ultra-misogynistic online cults. Men and women knew their place. Sluts were shamed. Marital rape didnt happen and so was not a thing. And there was equality of opportunity for women to be housewives. Science. No homo. Psychiatry ruled the waves.
...so you can re-affirm in you're own mind how "right" you are and protect your little echo chamber. It's very brave.
I gave you an obvious and simple explanation but you saw fit to criticise me for "acting as a self appointed translator" and post a gif of Bill Murray. You wanted an interpretation, you got one, but then only a psychic could do that. And yet you insist on an answer from Geetee.
Instead of wasting your time here and sullying yourself with ultra-misogynist anti-social media-addicts, self-appointed translators oh and Nazis (jesus wept you cretinous ****s) why don't you email or tweet Nellie Bowles, the author of laughable hit piece on Dr. Jordan Peterson you are constantly referencing. She'd probably be only too happy to help since she just barely stopped short of calling Peterson an evil wizard or sith lord.
Is Peterson now some sort of prophet, who's teachings must be interpreted?
He made a silly statement about the murder being angry at god & you have twisted that into sonetsome that fits the ideal you have of him jimjam.
As for Malvern rider expecting getee to answer a question about him, it's the least he could do to considering he spams the forum every couple of weeks with a link to whenever guff Peterson has spouted lately....
Which leads me onto poah only hearing of him via YouTube ?!?- in which case he's done well to avoid our resident accolytes constant prosletysing
You fan bois do seem very, very angry.
You should maybe try identifying with your feminine side a bit more
faux intellectual
Jordan Peterson is a tenured professor of Clinical Psychology. If you think that makes him faux just how qualified are you Binners? Seriously what are your credentials? It's a debate about intellectual ideas so come on, what's your level of educational attainment, how much actual studfy have you done?
You know what I think Binners? With all respect I don't think you've got the intellect to really engage here. I think you're outgunned intellectually and when that happens I think you just resort to being rude and insulting. That's not a personal attack; we're all blessed in different ways and it doesn't make you a bad person. But you've been so utterly obnoxious on every thread I've ever started or commented on that for as much as you think I've got issues, your's are equally as challenging.
Do you have any clear evidence/links to Minassian’s character/motivation/background that we could possibly use as a starting point to discuss Peterson’s flat assertion about the reason/s for his crime?
I don't see what that has to do about anything? I didn't really read much about the specific incident and have no interest in doing so. If someone is so angry that they drive a car into a crowd of peopel to kill or maim then, you don't need much more evidence to conclude that this is both horribly wrong and the product of a derrainged mind.
I'm more interested in explaining your misunderstanding of what Peterson was saying when he tried to explain why someone like Minassian might have acted the way they did. That is an entirely valid and important line of inquiry in the same way that a lot of time is being invested in trying to understand the process of radicalisation among Muslims.
Is Peterson basically saying that young white males are angry and violent because they are not getting a shag?
Which is the fault of the PC brigade,who must be getting it every night?
Well thats me told, then!
So... because I think that he's a misogynistic, self-serving charlatan, with very dangerous ideas, that we know have been used to justify violence, I've only reached that conclusion because I iz a bit fick
Is that right?
Certainly Binners...
The evidence above that monogamy and the church seems to cover up a huge amount of male violence is defiantly something that really doesn't challenge his conclusions either.
your misunderstanding of what Peterson was saying when he tried to explain why someone like Minassian might have acted the way they did.
But be wide of the mark, should really acknowledge that especially if people are misunderstanding what he is saying. I'm just glad we have his followers to explain what he really means to us....
Is Peterson basically saying that young white males are angry and violent because they are not getting a shag?
Which is the fault of the PC brigade,who must be getting it every night?
In a nutshell, yes
They can't seem to get their head around the fact that when a wimminz is looking for a partner they want to shack up and have a bit of rumpy-pumpy with, their list of credentials doesn't start with 'whiney, social inadequate with a persecution complex and hugely over-inflated sense of entitlement'
But that's all the wimminz fault, and definitely nothing the whiney, social inadequates with persecution complexes and hugely over-inflated sense of entitlements need to address
What’s important for you to understand binners, is that it was the women in your life that made you thick.
This thread is an excellent example of the people who I probably agree with are handling themselves poorly by slinging about unnecessary and reactionary hyperbole, and the people I probably don't agree with are trying to actually have a reasoned conversation. It's a bit like the Newman/Peterson interview, typed out by middle-aged men.
Jordan Peterson is a tenured professor of Clinical Psychology. If you think that makes him faux just how qualified
That makes him qualified in one specific area. Even within that field the chances are he would have been specialised. So either an appeal to authority or, on several things he speaks on, an appeal to non-authority.
With all respect I don’t think you’ve got the intellect to really engage here.
This seems to be a common theme amongst his fans. Anyone who disagrees must be a tad thick. It seems a nice ego boost trip.
I didn’t really read much about the specific incident and have no interest in doing so.
Considering your seeming strong interest in mens rights etc I would have thought it would have come up.
you don’t need much more evidence to conclude that this is both horribly wrong and the product of a derrainged mind.
You do. It shows a different set of priorities but not necessarily a deranged mind.
MR: Do you have any clear evidence/links to Minassian’s character/motivation/background that we could possibly use as a starting point to discuss Peterson’s flat assertion about the reason/s for his crime?
G: I don’t see what that has to do about anything? I didn’t really read much about the specific incident and have no interest in doing so. If someone is so angry that they drive a car into a crowd of people to kill or maim then, you don’t need much more evidence to conclude that this is both horribly wrong and the product of a derrainged mind.
It would seem then that our opinions fundamentally differ on all counts. I believe it to be irresponsible for anyone (most of all public figures who very much have the 'ears' of the killers's demographic) to make grandiose flat statements about the cause (and cure) of the Toronto killings/killer without having all of the available evidence on the table.
1. The narrative asserted (key point - not 'debated', asserted) by Peterson is that the killer was 'angry at God.'
2. I'm not sure what JP means by 'God' (in that context, or indeed in any)
3. jimjam provided an interpretation that by 'God' (in that context?) Peterson actually means 'society/the World'. This could be correct, as:
4. Peterson (if I'm correctly understanding his meaning of 'enforced monogamy'?) is claiming that it is society that must change if we want to somehow lessen/prevent/help Minassian
Malvern Rider
I believe it to be irresponsible for anyone (most of all public figures who very much have the ‘ears’ of the killers’s demographic) to make grandiose flat statements about the cause (and cure) of the Toronto killings/killer without having all of the available evidence on the table.
If no one comments on anything without knowing the full facts of everything then there's nothing to say. Peterson can probably feel justified in commenting because he's speaking in general terms, not specific ones. Anyone who listens to him speak would know that, but those who want to sling mud would rather gouge out their eyes with spoons than listen to him so you have a circular argument / stalemate.
If according to you, "he has the ear of the killer's demographic" wouldn't it be pertinent to comment? Peterson is constantly putting out advice that is geared towards people (not just men) reordering or making sense of their lives. Seems as though he has a responsibility to comment and is damned for commenting.
as much as you think I’ve got issues, your’s are equally as challenging.
It would help to avoid making grammatical errors when criticising someone's intellect.
Aaaanyway, what I find impressive about JP is the way he gets his fans to give him money via his website, I think just for quicker access to his youtube clips (of which there does not appear to be much of a shortage). There's something about a multimillionaire getting the poor saps who buy this bollocks to send him their cash that makes it begin to look a bit, erm, culty?
Aaaanyway, what I find impressive about JP is the way he gets his fans to give him money via his website, I think just for quicker access to his youtube clips (of which there does not appear to be much of a shortage).
lots of people do this though. BKXC has over 1000 patrons for watching MTB vids
john
Aaaanyway, what I find impressive about JP is the way he gets his fans to give him money via his website, I think just for quicker access to his youtube clips (of which there does not appear to be much of a shortage). There’s something about a multimillionaire getting the poor saps who buy this bollocks to send him their cash that makes it begin to look a bit, erm, culty?
Are you similarly impressed by everyone else on patreon? Is it "culty" when people support artists and writers and musicians who's work they enjoy in the same manner? People (I'm not one of them) support Dr. Peterson via patreon because they value his work. It's extremely common and no doubt will be the model for digital content in the future and it's necessary because Google/Youtube are so far up their own arses that they instantly flag/demonistise everything Peterson put's out, as well asc losing his youtube channel, locking him out and unsubscribing tens of thousands of his subscribers - issues his detractors don't have to contend with.
Alternatively, BKXC is basically David Koresh.