[Closed] John Terry.

+1 confused

Regardless of anything else, are we not innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Regardless of anything else, are we not innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

If I did what he did, i'd be sacked. should have stepped down. And calling someone a black c... Isn't "only".

Fair enough, he's guilty then. Why is money being wasted on a trial?

He should step down because he's been shite for about 5 years.

I think it's a great shame the trial has to take 5 months to start. If it had been before the Euro champs different decisions might have been taken I guess.

He should have [u][b]temporarily[/b][/u] stood down himself for the greater good of the team not because of his guilt or otherwise but because of the wrong sort of attention it brings to the roll.

One thing I've not heard mentioned is what happens if* Rio Ferdinand gets back into the England team - that would be a tricky relationship both within the squad and on the field.

*Maybe there is little chance of that happening now....

Fair enough, he's guilty then. Why is money being wasted on a trial?

The trial is for prosecuting him for being racial abusive not for his job. Of course if the court was to find him innocent and he'd been sacked could this then be a case of unfair dismissal?

Damn I shouldn't comment as don't like football.

innocent until proven guilty

It's an instruction to the jury, nothing more.

Oh, and he has to be the biggest bell end ever to grace a football pitch too, racist or not. I doubt even his own mother likes him.

His own mother, the shop lifting woman. Quality family.

Wouldn't be surprised if Capello walks.

Damn I shouldn't comment as don't like football.

Except he's not a leader, he captains a footy team.

Yes, but if you base the FA's case on the Suarez verdict, then they "probably" think he said it, and in that case he will be banned for 8 matches.

But, add into this his previous racist incident in 2006 and he should be banned for longer, or is the fact a court is dealing with it mean that the FA can bottle it?

are we not innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

I think in most workplaces, under such serious allegations, the accused would be suspended until a full investigation had taken place.

if* Rio Ferdinand gets back into the England

I do wonder if more players than Rio have expressed their views on him to the FA.

If Terry had even one single ounce of decency in his entire body he would have stepped down from the role to protect the position of Captain of England from the attention and distraction of a criminal trial.

The man is a ****er of the highest order. Bobby Moore would be turning in his grave.

Except he's not a leader, he captains a footy team.

This is true - the England captain roll is in many ways a symbol roll bestowed upon a member of the squad by the manager. He'll give a bit of a rallying cry in the changing room and do a bit of shouting on the pitch but so will all the other senior players. Capello makes the strategic decisions, the captain is just a show pony to roll out at press conferences etc when his current issues would be most inconvenient.

The fact that some of his sponsorship deals had a financial benefit to him being in the roll last time he lost it, and I'm sure this time too, can't possibly have had any influence on his reluctance to fall on his sword 😉

He shouldn't be in the team based on his form this season, let alone captain.

GlitterGary is bang on. In a sea of utter ****s, he manages to stand out as the most utterly obnoxious human being amongst the lot of them.

Anyway... It should be a mute point as he should never have had the captaincy given back to him, if he ever should have had it in the first place. But then he thought and acted like he was captain even when he wasn't. And obviously, in his own mind, he'd done nothing wrong. As he thinks he hasn't now. The video evidence suggests otherwise.

And anyway... as has been pointed out, the way he's playing this season, he shouldn't be getting anywhere near an England shirt. He's absolutely shite!

I think the FA have no choice but to do this. They must presume his guilt not his innocence as should he play in the euro's and captain the team to glory (very unlikely I know) then soon after be found guilty in court, with the FA's supposed hard line stance on racism and the fact we have been looking down our noses at the rest of the world would make us a laughing stock and the damage it would do to the kick it out campaign would be irrep.... irrepai.... Errr beyond repair.

Anyway... It should be a mute point

If only......................

As said. He shouldn't be anywhere near the side on current form. Well, perhaps as a sub, but that's it.

So the FA could have saved themselves the bother by just waiting to see if Fabio dropped him.

It was suggested that he might clash with Rio Ferdinand - but he shouldn't be in the squad either.

He's thick as shit. It is obvious he is guilty so he should just admit it and step down/be sacked. He has always been a smug, beady eyed little tosser anyway.

We would have done a lot better in the last World Cup if he wasn't there, that's for sure. He caused no end of bother off the pitch, through his own wrongdoing and was rubbish on the pitch. Just watch the 'highlights' of the Germany game for all the evidence you need that he's not an international centre half.

If Terry had even one single ounce of decency in his entire body he would have stepped down from the role to protect the position of Captain of England from the attention and distraction of a criminal trial.

The man is a **** of the highest order. Bobby Moore would be turning in his grave.

the issue is not whether he is innocent or guilty it is whether the charge bring shames on the "OFFICE"

He may well be found innocent but there is enough evidence to charge him so doubts have to be raised as to the suitability of him to captain the national side and be the symbolic leader of this fine nation of mixed heritage and races.

Overall though [ and I think DS will agree, I think he should stay as he is rubbish, he will cause friction in the squad, they may need him for the penalty shoot outs and I am looking forward to the interviews and schadenfreude of the likes I can barely imagine [ except for pretty much ever other England campaign].

binners raises some good points as well he is certainly the peak of self indulgent arrogance that typifies many of the modern footballers.

Overall though [ and I think DS will agree, I think he should stay as he is rubbish, he will cause friction in the squad, they may need him for the penalty shoot outs and I am looking forward to the interviews and schadenfreude of the likes I can barely imagine [ except for pretty much ever other England campaign].

the issue is not whether he is innocent or guilty it is whether the charge bring shames on the "OFFICE"

I can see him getting away with this whole sorry saga. If he had not been charged by the police then the FA would have been forced to deal with it, a la Suarez, and he would have gotten a long ban and in all liklihood stripped of the captaincy.
This going to a criminal charge, which is of course more serious but the standard of proof required is much higher, it gives the FA the chance to go all sloping shoulders on it.
My prediction, he will be stripped of the captaincy because the media is now pushing it (much like Fred the Shred), but he will be found not guilty in court, and get no fine and no ban at all.

If he had any decency he would have stepped down as captain until the criminal proceedings were resolved, and not waited to be stripped of it.

Surely the video evidence is proof enough? You dont need to be a lip reader to see what he is saying.

his defence is that he says Anton i never said you were {racist comment]
so he is innocent apparently.
the fact he has been charged would suggest otherwise

Surely the video evidence is proof enough? You dont need to be a lip reader to see what he is saying.

I hope that if he is guilty, and it certainly looks as if he is, then he be punished for it. Absolutely no place for it in the game (or anywhere), no excuses.

It would be a travesty if he was to get away with it, whilst Suarez was hauled over the coals for a similar offence.

(I'm not a Liverpool fan)

im still reeling from the fact that the trial can be pushed back because of his work commitments.

so if i go and rape someone, but then tell the court ive got a nine month contract i need to fulfill, the courts will listen to that?

he said what he said and i dont want to see him in an england shirt ever again - those two thoughts are not necessarily linked.

previous England players have been dropped because they were under investigation for "alleged offences". Namely Bowyer and Alan Smith. Wonder how they feel about this, especially Bowyer who was found not guilty in the alleged incident.

Soobalias, you probably could if you could afford the lawyers he can. Different world, different rules.

Until the outcome of the trial he should be suspended from his role as captain. If he is 'not guilty' he can then be reconsidered for the captaincy by the manager - Simples.

It's getting a bit like the England RU side at the World Cup where the exploits of individuals are making unwelcome distractions from the main issue which is putting together a team that might actually win something.

If I were in the England squad I'd want Terry on the pitch, and not sleeping with my missus while I was busy.

yossarian - Member
If Terry had even one single ounce of decency in his entire body he would have stepped down from the role to protect the position of Captain of England from the attention and distraction of a criminal trial.
The man is a **** of the highest order. Bobby Moore would be turning in his grave.

This^^^
But also, the FA have acted discracefully in pandering to him so far in this case. By not charging him, they have effectively encouraged him to do nothing himself too. Nobody in this whole institution seems to have the balls to stand up and say that what he did is wrong.
They should have charged him by now if they have seen the same video the rest of the country has. They hide behind "not prejudicing the case" but that does not add up. They could easily look at the video and apply a punishment for what is clearly visible, "on the balance of probabilities".
In comparison to the "other" case, there is nothing to stop the FA or Evra pressing charges against Suarez [u]IF[/u] they believe he committed the same offence. In fact, it is their duty to. However, any case would be heard against the backdrop of his recent FA punishment, as they have chosen to act here.
What happened was on a football pitch , during a match, and against FA laws. He should have been charged immediately and duly punished.
The seriousness of the cime, and overwhelming evidence deserve criminal prosecution on top of that.

Sadly the beautiful games isn't looking too beautiful right now.
Money - racism - violence
Redknapp - Terry - Egypt.

Well said loum. FA have been totally spineless on this. They went in hard on the foreigner (Suarez) and didn't have the balls to deal with their own "brave" John Terry.

****s the lot of them.

i know obi wan was talking about mos eisley but i think its more applicable to the FA myself
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Wouldn't be surprised if Capello walks

If only. He is as inept as Terry is a shit.

I thought maybe Chris Huhne would make a good replacement for Terry but he's a bit more left of centre and he doesn't like taking penalties.

innocent until proven guilty in my eyes - i can bet you a million dollars that if the shoe was on the other boot (footy lolzz) a black person would not have his captaincy taken until proven guilty...

i think its shocking, terry may well be a dick, cock, **** etc but by a court of law he is innocent until proven guilty...

if anyone has actually bothered to view the footage before going along with the grain he clearly says 'and anton i didnt call you a f'in n***a, prick' or something very similar along those lines

so at what point they have evidence of him actually calling it him i have no idea, if thats the footage the allegation is being based on.

they are removing a captain who may well be an absolute bell end in real life, but when he has that captains armband on for england he gives 1200000%, you can tell it means alot to him and he is a good captain/leader..

if i was him i'd personally retire from england now, id refuse to play again given the treatment of being stripped until ive been been proven to actually have done something wrong...

It would be a travesty if he was to get away with it, whilst Suarez was hauled over the coals for a similar offence.

You can't even compare the two cases: Terry was caught on camera saying what he is accused of saying, whereas Suarez was accused by a player with a known history of making up false racism allegations, with not a single piece of corroborating evidence to back him up.

Also, if you compare what the two parties are supposed to have said, Evra agreed that Suarez is not a racist, but used language that could be seen as being racist, even though it wasn't meant in that way and was probably more to do with a clash of cultures, whereas what Terry is accused of saying is clearly aggressive, racist language.

Terry, along with Ashley Cole, represent everything that is wrong with football these days.

i can bet you a million dollars that if the shoe was on the other boot (footy lolzz) a black person would not have his captaincy taken until proven guilty..

i think its shocking, terry may well be a dick, cock, * etc but by a court of law he is innocent until proven guilty...

yes but they thing is the captain of england should be beyond reproach and terry falls someway short of that high standard.....,many on here have contracts of employment that prevent them working if they are charged with an offence - I am one

if anyone has actually bothered to view the footage before going along with the grain he clearly says 'and anton i didnt call you a f'in na, prick' or something very similar along those lines

so at what point they have evidence of him actually calling it him i have no idea, if thats the footage the allegation is being based on.

they are removing a captain who may well be an absolute bell end in real life,

I think you may be the only person to put the word may in that sentence

but when he has that captains armband on for england he gives 1200000%, you can tell it means alot to him and he is a good captain/leader..

Suarez was accused by a player with a known history of making up false racism allegations, with not a single piece of corroborating evidence to back him up.