^^^and RCB said that to get an edgy laugh. Same as Manning to a Bradford audience (something about bbqs) after the stadium fire. Comedians risking getting stuff chucked at them for the sake of a laugh (and to be fair I think Manning had to leave the stage and never performed in Bradford again).
Anyway, they were doing it - prodding the hurty bit - to get a big laugh and full stop. Not to educate, teach anyone anything or to stimulate thought let along healing catharsis.
And that's all Carr was doing, heavily billed - getting a laugh and some attention though less, I have to say, bravely with his friendly audience but in this case with a racist joke.
No one wants to be thought of as a racist. Carr gets the audience laughing at a racist joke and they're all a bit pleasantly épated by this. Big laugh, comedian's job done. There's no serious purpose to this or anything positive achieved other than a bit of a laugh at a racist joke (which yes works on reversal of expectations as do many jokes, including racist jokes like the Manning chat show one I referenced earlier in the thread).
Related point: some racist jokes are effective - meaning funny - based on how they work, how well they're told etc. Some get converted to tellable by striking out racist term and inserting "lawyer" or whatever instead. I think I prefer that to successful comedians going back to telling racist jokes.
Anyway, on the basis of this thread the netflix thing has gone from something I thought i might possibly get round to watching a bit of, to something I probably won't.
I didn’t want to start another racism thread, but just noticed this on our favourite/least favourite car leasing website. Jeez
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During the Cleveland child abuse scandal, Roy Chubby Brown went on stage in Middlesbrough and opened with the line, “My there’s a big crowd in tonight… I thought you’d all be at home f***ing your kids.”
Well I laughed…
Right comrades, off to re-education camp with me ⛺️
Jokes are not a laughing matter!
Right comrades, off to re-education camp with me
Is that a reference to the well-known fact that lefties have no sense of humour?
Yes
Ah, excellent quip. I'm glad I got the joke. Btw why is it that left-wing comedians are rarer than hen's teeth - any ideas?
Ah, excellent quip. I’m glad I got the joke. Btw why is it that left-wing comedians are rarer than hen’s teeth – any ideas?
That’s irony, right?
That’s irony, right?
I've no idea.....is irony the same as pisstake?
When is all this virtue signalling woke bs gonna die down, its becoming pathetic, its just a joke acknowledging everyone's disdain for gypsies, be it Romany or Irish, let's be honest, nobody wants them pitching up in their neighbourhood, that's why it's funny, the fact that the media is asking people like David baddiel for comment I find more ignorant, it wasn't a joke aimed at Jews, just because the holocaust was involved in the build up the cancel culture obsessed media lose all rationality. If you look for it you'll find hundreds of gags from hundreds of comics about gypsies and probably a lot more offensive and not as funny.
I thought it was a funny joke, but then I felt a little uncomfortable. I think that's the point.
Let's face it, none of us would welcome travellers turning up at our local park or green space, yet many of us hate the idea of being prejudiced against anyone (including travellers). The joke works on that cognitive dissonance.
It was a piss poor, trite, formulaic gag - "always an upside", "see the positives" etc., etc.
If that's the quality he's shifting after lock down it's pretty obvious he must have discovered gardening or some such.
If he wanted to attempt to make it edgy (Jimmy Carr, edgy? My rounded arse) he would have cracked it, then skewered the audience for laughing. But like Bernard and Jim he knows better than to bite the hand that feeds.
I wonder if Jimmy Carr would deem it his place to tell you how to do your job...
If my job was to stand in front of Jimmy Carr and talk to him then yes, I'm sure he would deem it his place to tell me how to do my job.
If he wanted to attempt to make it edgy (Jimmy Carr, edgy? My rounded arse) he would have cracked it, then skewered the audience for laughing.
That makes no sense.
That makes no sense.
I probably would have been better replacing "for laughing" with "after laughing".
Challenged them to the point of being uncomfortable on why they found it funny, challenged prejudices (obviously, not all of the auidience fit this cohort), pushed on why some circumstances can enable expression of points of view that are based on prejudice - traded that off against the right of expression and the negative aspects of repression of personal experience and belief.
He pitches himself as something more than a circuit comic - JC "This is going to be educational and informative...", but he's not (in my view).
I now recall (I genuinely had forgot) I have seen him in concert and it was a mechanical repeating of anecdotes and gags - not bad, but formulaic.
Still makes no sense.
When is all this virtue signalling woke bs gonna die down
Do leave off. If you think that Carr should be able to say what he wants, then that cuts both ways. Unless you think people who disagree with him should be cancelled?
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If my job was to stand in front of Jimmy Carr and talk to him then yes, I’m sure he would deem it his place to tell me how to do my job
Neither does that.
Neither does that.
To be fair, I was working with a fairly nonsensical statement to begin with.
Don't worry, I'm sure Stewart Lee's new show will explain it all and end this circle of hell we've fallen into where we're just making clever statements at each other and no one has a clue what anyone else is saying.
I thought it was a funny joke.
I'm a JC fan too.
It does make me feel uncomfortable though as, same as above, I hate the idea of being prejudiced against anyone.
But every time I walk down the hill, I look up at my neighbours' rooves. One neighbour had a roofing company run by travellers do some work. Had to have some of it done again. The new company found they had stuck the slates on with silicone.
The other one had work done to the chimney. They wrapped a piece of black sheeting round it. Did nothing to solve the problem. But he paid in cash and never saw them again.
Mind you, I had my roof done by a long established company in the area. And they've pretty much destroyed it.
And then there's my former tenants who hail from India. They're worse than Boris Johnson for lying. A quick check on the internet shows you why. If you tell the truth and that turns out to disadvantage you, then more fool you, seems to be the attitude in much of Indian society. Nice.
Neither does that
Yes it does. He makes a living through performing to the public.
To be fair, I was working with a fairly nonsensical statement to begin with.
Apologies if it was to complex for you.
Still makes no sense.
The gag itself is fits a simple "formula" or construction, e.g:
The IRA have committed many bombing atrocities.
... But the improvements to Brighton's sea front weren't all that bad!
etc.
From a circuit comic, particularly of the "old school", it's a meat and two veg gag.
Carr has pitched/referred to this particular gag as being "educational" and "edgy" (not sure if "edgy" was directly attributed to this gag, tour or his professional persona in general, or a combo).
In my view it was not edgy or educational. For me was a simple, gag that wasn't funny. Actually I'll go further: it was bloody telegraphed - as soon as he delivered the opening line the punch was f-in obvious and inevitable. It was just plain weak. Other views are available.
To shift it to something "better"/more interesting he could have followed it with barbed but amusing questions and comments directed at the auidience about why they found it funny, etc. etc.
This does not seem to be in his toolkit - he does a good impression of engaging and to-and-froing with the audience but it's more contrived and managed than genuine "free styling".
Apologies if it was to complex for you.
Yes, I'm sure, as far as you're concerned, what you wrote sounds like the pinnacle of intellectual arguments.
Let’s face it, none of us would welcome travellers turning up at our local park or green space
The Roma/Sinti genocide had nothing to do with them turning up at local parks. It was justified on the grounds that they were classed as sub-human.
IMO there is nothing wrong with tasteless jokes surrounding the holocaust, if that's what the audience wants. Legitimising hatred against a racial minority however is clearly not the same thing as a tasteless joke. It is also, for very good reasons, illegal.
We pretend to be civilised, but our approach to the "Traveller Problem/Carr's positives" is just to pass laws slowly criminalising them out of existence, I'm not sure if that is any more defensible than the approach in the rest of Europe which is to openly treat them as scum.
This is particularly bad in the Balkans - I've been to Belgrade, Sofia, Kosice etc and they are treated really badly there and most people are totally fine with this.
In Kosice (Slovakia) they have the largest Roma ghetto in Europe, Cate Le Bon did a video for a song with a local film maker that shows it quite "well", they are simply prevented from improving their lives and then blamed when they resort to petty crime or simply give up.
