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ok, who amongst the journalists and aid workers that he beheaded wasn't ?
If you're asking me, they were all innocent. If you ask the people who did it, they would say none of them. Perspective, see.
[quote=globalti opined]I'm sure a few psychiatrists would have been interested in interviewing him in prison, to get an understanding of the levels of intellectual and sexual frustration amongst Muslim youth that leads them to extremism.
More insights like that ought to bring about world peace
Just the same as the disrespect they have for us.
And Gonzy nails it Jihadi john - why did we give him a name ?- glorified and revelled in the death of his mortal enemy who he had no respect for and de humanised. THis threads has aspects of the same but just us to them. Both sides, of course, think they are correct and have reasons.
killing him is a major proganda victory against IS,
In what sense is it a propaganda* victory for us - we just killed him do you really think Jihadis everywhere have just given up the fight and embraced western values? IS suddenly looks like a bad idea after westerners just made another martyr? In what way have we persuaded folk IS is bad by this act?
What we have done is get revenge.
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What's with all the hating? "Gordon is a Moron" might not be a masterpiece, but a drone strike seems excessive.
More good news, I see. The Peshmirga have re-taken Sinja.
I think the message is clear. "We will find you, target you and completely *** you up".
Excellent.
So now all the resources men and time that IS were putting in to keep this man alive and hidden away are now freed to be employed in active warfare.
If he wasn't part of IS strategy planning and wasn't able to move freely to act as a recruiting agent then killing him may well achieve no more than putting more IS in to the field.
Far better to wound your enemy than kill him, It takes a lot more resources out of their front line and to all intents and purposes he was wounded.
... but it brings them back into the "front line" where they can be slaughtered in greater numbers...
More dead people on either side then till one side runs out of people to die, haven't we tried that one before
One side wants to fight to rid the planet of an infestation of degenerated scum and the other side want to be "martyrs".
Everybody happy, then.
PS: In the meantime, beginning a process of cosying up, Putin is still maneuvering to make a ground commitment uncriticised by "The West".
Probably with full strength, I would imagine.
I think the message is clear. "We will find you, target you and completely *** you up".
Have you any idea what an idiot that comment makes you look? Were you beating your chest after you typed that? You do realise that this is real life and not a game of football don't you?
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There once was a fellow now dead
With strange habits it is said
Asked "why are you here?"
He said I'm feeling quite queer
but this isn't how I normally give head.
You do realise that this is real life and not a game of football don't you?
Calm down, dear.
Yes it's real life. Yes, I think that's the message. No beating of chest, just a simple indication of what your fate will be if you go round videoing yourself cutting people's heads off with knife thinking that you are protected by god and invulnerable.
Simples.
Why now does seem pertinent... at the same time as the Kurds/Yazidi's have success, Iraq is pushing forward and things in Syria aren't going so well for IS/Daesh this seems to be some propaganda aimed at demoralisation.
Next is to heavily prosecute some of those idiots buying illegal antiquities and funding IS/Daesh destruction of ancient sites.
After all Winter is Coming and an army needs money/food to fight.
What Musashi called "Beating In the Edges".
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even worse when it turns out that he actually gets is
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JimJam :
I was listening to a podcast a few days ago wherein a former US Navy Seal was recounting his exploits in Afghanistan,
Joe Rogan podcast by any chance?, that episode was pretty good.
Joe Rogan podcast by any chance?, that episode was pretty good.
+1
His death was too quick. Shame we were unable to extract the bastard.
The sad thing is that Mr Jihadi was just a pathetic puppet used for PR purposes. The reason he was put in front of the camera was because he had an English accent. I'm not sure this chap was a command and control influence for IS.
By glorifying his death we're just as bad, and only adding to fear they're trying to create. This guy was nothing, and the next person with a western accent, and who's stupid enough, will be in front of the camera pronto.
He deserved to die. He also deserved to be actively ignored.
Reports say 4 people in the vehicle including one of the other "Beatles" also that a total of 14 airstrikes where launched over a 1 hour period in the centre of Raqqa. That sends a very strong signal to IS
And a great signal to the innocent bystanders probably killed. Poor bastards.
That sends a very strong signal to IS
I imagine this will have really changed their world view now that they know the U.S. disapproves of their activities.
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Mr Woppit - Member
You do realise that this is real life and not a game of football don't you?
Calm down, dear.Yes it's real life. Yes, I think that's the message. No beating of chest, just a simple indication of what your fate will be if you go round videoing yourself cutting people's heads off with knife thinking that you are protected by god and invulnerable.
Simples.
^^ this.
Sending 'signals' is pointless, they will not change, they will not stop. They all must be killed before they achieve the unthinkable.
As a soldier, I'm all for wiping these scumbags off the face of the earth. But this bothers me, on the battlefield we're not supposed to exploit enemy dead. It's against the rules of war, law of armed conflict and general decency.
This is the same in my opinion. It should have just been a very simple press release to confirm that a high value target involved in the murder of multinational civilians has been targeted and prosecuted successfully.
Capture and trial would've probably been better,
Kimbers you are obviously a friend of terrorists.
Actually I've since learned he was an SClub7 fan, if Cameron had explained that in his statement outside number 10 with his special victory over the terrorists portable lectern, I think a lot more people wouldve understood the necessity of this assassination
Kimbers. I like it. I also heard he was a big fan of Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan. Nuff said.
Well said moose. No need for this....very poor
we are not disputing that Jihadi John was a vile piece of shit. he is a murderer plain and simple but glorifying his death will serve no purpose.
How do we know he killed anyone? It seems to be based purely on what the intelligence services say. Or is there some other reason for such certainty?
As a friend of John Cantlie's family I really hope this does not end poorly for him.
+1 Moose, well said.
I am not bothered in the least that he is dead, it does seem a bit grasping at straws to me though, everyone admits that he was a no one in the hierarchy of IS though so this almost looks like a "We need good news" strike, hence all the media attention.
Reading between the lines, we're making bugger all progress.
And after the fiasco of the US claiming that they had killed the same high value target three times in Libya this year i do wonder, how will we ever know.
I wonder if a woman flew the weapon?
What's all the fuss about? All they did was tell us they got the piece of shit. Personally I'd like to have seen him have his head removed with a blunt and rusty knife, but it will do.
****ing RAF Regt... 😉
Propaganda victory? Ha. If the obvious escalation that this represents did not have such serious ramifications for humanity, that might actually be funny.
Seriously; when did assassinating prominent figures on the opposing side ever NOT cause an escalation in tensions?
Yeah! let's kill their bloke with fire and explosives ex judicially and probably killing people all around him too! That'll learn those pesky Islamics for killing our blokes with knives, fire and explosives, ex judicially... Err, hang on...
Seriously, anyone with a mental age greater than that of a stroppy teenager can surely see why this is NOT 'a good thing'. 'The West' is proving itself to be morally equivelent to ISIL. Way to go.
I'm not sad he's toast,but I'm another who would have preferred him to have been taken alive .
My worry is that his death will spur on others in this country to follow his example.
[quote=senor j ]I'm not sad he's toast,but I'm another who would have preferred him to have been taken alive .
That would be very difficult don't you think ?
Yes .
My worry is that his death will spur on others in this country to follow his example.
I think what it will show is there is not much distance between our version of justice and theirs/his and that is what may encourage or tip over those already disenfranchised individuals.
Actually I've since learned he was an SClub7 fan,
Told you - Tragedy!
Could only have been better if he was a big fan of the Blue Oyster Cult 😀
And a great signal to the innocent bystanders probably killed. Poor bastards.
Exactly how many d'you imagine are left in that hellhole?
Propaganda victory? Ha. If the obvious escalation that this represents did not have such serious ramifications for humanity, that might actually be funny.Seriously; when did assassinating prominent figures on the opposing side ever NOT cause an escalation in tensions?
Yeah! let's kill their bloke with fire and explosives ex judicially and probably killing people all around him too! That'll learn those pesky Islamics for killing our blokes with knives, fire and explosives, ex judicially... Err, hang on...
Did anyone start a judicial process to see if killing known Nazi or Fascist leaders during WW2 was legal before the allies went ahead and did it? As I understand it, IS have declared open war against anyone who doesn't subscribe to their mediaeval murder cult, so I'm failing to see any significant difference between what's happening now, and what happened between 1939-45; the ideology isn't all that different either.
IS are effectively indulging in a genocidal campaign, and openly murdering tens of thousands of innocent people; why the hell should there be any restraint in culling them, any more than the likes of Pol Pot?
ninfan - Member
Actually I've since learned he was an SClub7 fan,
Told you - Tragedy
That was Steps.....dumbass!!