[Closed] jerry adams arrested

Absolutely - is that a problem?

If there were murderers on either side, let justice prevail. If those murderers are now politicians, so be it.

Would you forego peace for your desire for justice?

None at all, just wanted to know your standpoint! Which is pretty much spot on for me!

Cool - so we are agreed Murder is murder, wether committed by a freedom fighter, terrorist or a British Soldier. I feel progress has been made tonight 🙂

Just been driven off in a volvo.let the trouble now begin

Why what's wrong with a Volvo ?

craigxxl - Member
Amongst nearly 2000 civilian killed by PIRA. Maybe they forgot who they were at war with.

So, its OK for the British Government to send soldiers who too part in Bloody Sunday to court to be tried but its not OK to do the same to Adams for his wrong doings?

There's more blood on that mans hands than all the Bloody Sunday soldiers hands 10 times over, if what they did was wrong in the courts eyes that is....

ernie_lynch - Member
Why what's wrong with a Volvo ?

press conference starting now on bbc news 24.

Yeah in Gaelic. Doesn't he know that the official language in NI is English ?

EDIT : Now in English 🙄

How DARE he speak Irish.

Good point 33tango.......perhaps that's what this thread needs - people to post in Gaelic. That would be constructive, wouldn't it ?

Whats This forum got to do with Gerry Adams speaking Irish?

You're posting about it?

What do you mean?

You're posting on this forum, about Gerry Adams speaking Irish, are you not?

You made the point "How DARE he speak Irish" I assumed you thought that speaking Gaelic to an English speaking audience is a good idea. Did I get that wrong then ?

Speaking Irish is not a crime AFAIK. He is a grown man and speak whatever language he wants.

Anyway it's all fairly academic as most of the press conference has been in English and all the questions and answers are in English. Speaking Gaelic was obviously just tokenism to impress people.

Or for ppl to try and cause an argument 😉

Speaking Irish is not a crime AFAIK.

And someone said it was ? 😆

He is a grown man and speak whatever language he wants.

Of course he can. He could give a press conference in Chinese, if he can speak it. But would you not expect people to challenge the usefulness of doing so ?

Not a crime but your reaction was one of horror! I just wanted to clarify it that he is perfectly entitled to speak it. Wether or not it is useful to you is a moot point 🙂

good statement and answers I thought. very much still focused on peace.

It's a bit like using mystery initials and codewords to describe people in a STW thread.

ernie_lynch - Member
Yeah in Gaelic. Doesn't he know that the official language in NI is English ?

EDIT : Now in English

seosamh77
quite a loose definition of term "civilian" you seem to be using there!

No. Civilian is the correct definition. I'm sure 3 year old Johnathan Ball and 12 year old Tim Parry wouldn't have given a toss for your definition if they hadn't been murdered or were they legislate targets too.

British Army, RUC and other forces lost over 1000. PIRA, INLA and other republican terrorists groups over 300 and loyalists terror groups half of that.
Innocent civilians were the biggest casualties in the troubles. This doesn't include the increased suicide rate there or the joyriders and other criminals who were knee capped as they brought the RUC onto the streets.

craigxxl - Member
seosamh77
quite a loose definition of term "civilian" you seem to be using there!
No. Civilian is the correct definition. I'm sure 3 year old Johnathan Ball and 12 year old Tim Parry wouldn't have given a toss for your definition if they hadn't been murdered or were they legislate targets too.

British Army, RUC and other forces lost over 1000. PIRA, INLA and other republican terrorists groups over 300 and loyalists terror groups half of that.
Innocent civilians were the biggest casualties in the troubles. This doesn't include the increased suicide rate there or the joyriders and other criminals who were knee capped as they brought the RUC onto the streets.

Responsibility for killing
Responsible party No.
Republican paramilitary groups 2057
Loyalist paramilitary groups 1019
British security forces 363
Persons unknown 82
Irish security forces 5
Total 3526

Of those killed by British security forces:
187 (~51.5%) were civilians
145 (~39.9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
18 (~4.9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
13 (~3.5%) were fellow members of the British security forces

Of those killed by republican paramilitaries:
1080 (~52%) were members of the British security forces
728 (~35%) were civilians
187 (~9%) were members of republican paramilitaries
56 (~2.7%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
10 (~0.4%) were members of the Irish security forces

Of those killed by loyalist paramilitaries:
868 (~85.4%) were civilians
93 (~9%) were members of loyalist paramilitaries
41 (~4%) were members of republican paramilitaries
14 (~1.3%) were members of the British security forces

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles#Casualties

33tango - Member

Not a crime but your reaction was one of horror!

"One of horror" 😆

I said :

[i]Yeah in Gaelic. Doesn't he know that the official language in NI is English ?

EDIT : Now in English [/i]

Explain to me where the "horror" is ?

Are you always this hysterical btw ?

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seosamh77 - Member

Nothing wrong with him using Irish.

Which begs the question why did he end up giving almost all the press conference, and all the Q&A, in English, if there's nothing wrong with him using Irish ?

Would the majority of the 2000 killed by PIRA better suit your sensibilities or do you wish to argue they were not civilians?

seosamh77 - Member
Nothing wrong with him using Irish.

Which begs the question why did he end up giving almost all the press conference, and all the Q&A, in English, if there's nothing wrong with him using Irish ?

craigxxl - Member
Would the majority of the 2000 killed by PIRA better suit your sensibilities or do you wish to argue they were not civilians?

Because he was speaking to an international audience.

And Gaelic is the international language ?

🙂

BTW most people beyond the UK and Ireland couldn't give a toss about Jerry Adams, and most will never have heard of him. Keep a bit of perspective if you can.

Why are you so against the Irish language dude?

ernie_lynch - Member
And Gaelic is the international language ?

ernie_lynch - Member
BTW most people beyond the UK and Ireland couldn't give a toss about Jerry Adams, and most will never have heard of him. Keep a bit of perspective if you can.

Carry on, play the man not the ball!

I thought the Good Friday agreement was supposed to put an end to all this.

Why are you so against the Irish language dude?

How do you know what I'm against ? I'm not against Chinese but would have said [i]"Yeah in Chinese"[/i] had he given the press conference in Chinese.

Anyway your hysterical reaction at me pointing out that Adams was speaking in Gaelic was initially amusing, now it's time to let go. Dude.

You drew attention to the fact that he was speaking Irish, commenting that English is the official language of NI. Thereby implying that he should only speak English.

Gerry can speak whatever language he wants and will most likely continue to do so.

Night, night dude 🙂

Hysterically yours

33Tango

slowoldman - Member
I thought the Good Friday agreement was supposed to put an end to all this.

seosamh77 - Member

I see the problem here, you know you can't really comment on the content of his statement can you?

Carry on, play the man not the ball!

Of course I can comment on the content of his statement, the bit in English at least. I'm not sure how useful it would be though, but here goes anyway - it was obviously a well thought out statement that made all the points that Adams thought were important to make.

There.....was that helpful ?

BTW I'm quite supportive of Adams, this is what I said yesterday on this thread :

ernie_lynch - Member

I have no opinion on Adams culpability btw, and I do recognise his invaluable contribution to the peace process.

I actually feel that he more than anyone else was responsible for the PIRA abandoning the armed struggle and thereby laying the foundations for peace in NI.

I actually feel that he more than anyone else was responsible for the PIRA abandoning the armed struggle and thereby laying the foundations for peace in NI.

This is true. And for the fragile peace to continue, it may be necessary to forego "justice" for many atrocities committed. No matter how unpalatable that may be for some, no matter their hue, be it green or orange. The Haass commission was taking steps to look at other methods of approaching unsolved crimes before the talks broke down around New Year. It would be good to see everybody sit back down and continue these talks. As Adams said, the only way is forward for NI.

ernie_lynch - Member
seosamh77 - Member
I see the problem here, you know you can't really comment on the content of his statement can you?

Carry on, play the man not the ball!

Of course I can comment on the content of his statement, the bit in English at least. I'm not sure how useful it would be though, but here goes anyway - it was obviously a well thought out statement that made all the points that Adams thought were important to make.

There.....was that helpful ?

BTW I'm quite supportive of Adams, this is what I said yesterday on this thread :

ernie_lynch - Member
I have no opinion on Adams culpability btw, and I do recognise his invaluable contribution to the peace process.

I actually feel that he more than anyone else was responsible for the PIRA abandoning the armed struggle and thereby laying the foundations for peace in NI.

Perfect timing all this:

Sinn Fein - just before the election, the 'poor Gerry' vote will help them.
DUP - bit of SF bashing doesn't hurt their cause.

Keep those 2 happy and they can keep Stormont blocked with their cosy status quo. Keep their jobs/expenses/cars etc.

Its too easy for them playing the ordinary people of Ulster!

So Adam's arrest was a joint Sinn Fein/DUP conspiracy to protect their jobs, expenses, and cars ?

Who would have thought it eh ?