Not a bad result for the Tories. UKIP doing badly. Corbyn doing well enough he might still be leader in 2020. I'd think they would be quite happy to face a Corbyn led Labour in a general election.
As for postal votes? I think they should be restricted to anyone who has a good reason they can't vote in person. If you just can't be arsed popping into your local school then tough luck. Too open to abuse.
A senior judge made a scathing attack on the postal voting system yesterday, condemning the government for complacency in the face of fraud which would disgrace a "banana republic".Richard Mawrey QC, presiding over a special election court in Birmingham, warned that there were no realistic systems in place to detect or prevent postal voting fraud at the general election. "Until there are, fraud will continue unabated," he said.
THEGUARDIAN.COM Not a bad result for the Tories. UKIP doing badly.
The Tory share of the vote [i]fell[/i] by almost 10% compared to 6 months ago, and the UKIP vote went up nearly 3%.
You obviously have your own meaning for the term "not a bad result".
The Tory share of the vote fell by almost 10% compared to 6 months ago, and the UKIP vote went up nearly 3%.
Tactical voting to UKIP obviously. I wouldn't infer too much from the Tory vote in a safe Labour seat.
Tactical voting to UKIP obviously.
Is that a joke? You've just claimed "UKIP doing badly".
Forgive me if the joke was obvious and I failed to recognise it as such.
Yes odd point this tbh
It may be fair to say it tells us nothing about the Tories but
is over egging it somewhat. I bet not even the Tory PR spokesperson said that one today,Not a bad result for the Tories
It may be fair to say it tells us nothing about the Tories
Dunno.........the Labour vote went up 7%, the UKIP vote went up by 3%, and the Tory vote went down by 10%.
Where did most of the support that the Tories lost go?
UNfortunately what happens in safe labour seats probably wont be replicated elsewhere and By elections are not great barometers of public opinion GE outcomes anyway
That said its certainly not a good day for them and it may indicate they will lose voters to labour but I would want to see much more evidence of that.
I read a bit of the telegraph today, might as well have been reading the mail. Jesus it was depressing.
By elections are not great barometers of public opinion
They are certainly treated as such by the media, look at all the fuss created over recent UKIP by-election victories. Much was made with regards to them being a barometer of public opinion and a reflection of UKIP's standing.
And certainly had the Labour share of the vote in Oldham fallen by 10% yesterday, and the UKIP and Tory vote increased by 3% and 7% respectively, then I have little doubt that a great deal of fuss would have been made by the media.
I agree though that by-elections are different, very different. They almost never result in a change of government - people know that how they vote will make no difference, so they tend to vote with their hearts. This can result in hugely unexpected and stunning results in otherwise safe seats.
The very fact that nothing spectacular happened in Oldham yesterday is in fact in itself very revealing.
ernie the media get excited when summer is hot and winter is cold that said i agree with it it was remarkable because it was not.
ALso agree they would be droning on endlessly had the result been other than this
Is that a joke? You've just claimed "UKIP doing badly".
They did do badly. They hoped to win or get close. They didn't. Yhey hoped to take votes from Labour
There was a very sweary and sensible blog by the guy behind @election_data on Twitter, if I was a Labour supporter and it reappears - he seems to have taken it down - I would read it and take it to heart. Many on here could learn alot from it.
Well, okay, then, what did it say ?
I am a bit pissed, but my recollection is, in UKIP facing seats, essentially fight local on your achievements however small (potholes etc), recognise their issues with immigration rather than call them racists, but point out how you can help their economic prospects, and that is about all I can recall. This makes UKIP stressing Corbyn look like the Westminster Establishment because that is what they are discussing, whichis contrary to their anti establishment message. There is more about walking the streets but that escapes me other than it is a slow burn.
ernie_lynch - MemberDunno.........the Labour vote went up 7%, the UKIP vote went up by 3%, and the Tory vote went down by 10%.
Where did most of the support that the Tories lost go?
Argentina?
JC (not Jesus Christ) must stay as a Labour leader otherwise there will be lack of entertainment. It is too soon for him to go as the seat is just getting warmer and comfortable.
Make it easier for me to vote next time.
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There was a very sweary and sensible blog by the guy behind @election_data on Twitter, if I was a Labour supporter and it reappears - he seems to have taken it down - I would read it and take it to heart. Many on here could learn alot from it.I am a bit pissed, but my recollection is, in UKIP facing seats, essentially fight local on your achievements however small (potholes etc), recognise their issues with immigration rather than call them racists, but point out how you can help their economic prospects, and that is about all I can recall.
Surely the people who "could learn alot from it" are the Tories?
Since we now know that UKIP can win by-elections in very safe Tory seats but not it would appear in very safe Labour seats.
An open mind is always good- but one swallow does not make a summer
As someone who lives in Oldham can I respectfully say we are still coming to terms with the mini-roundabout, I would therefore caution against any assumptions of voter thinking or logic.
Though in East Oldham we can proudly boast an anti bombing MP.
UKIP will defnitely win seats from Labour. Voting irregularity still being investigated from the GE I understand. Formal compaints where issued by Tories and UKIP back in May. There is no lesson for the Tories in Oldham, its not a seat worth putting a lot of effort into, way more winnable seats elsewhere.
Video released today from Stop the War rally the day atfer the aid volunteer Alan Henning was beheaded showing Corbyn saying that his death was the "result of warmongering and jingo-ism". Another massive own goal from the terrorist sympathiser. He neglects to me tion the 10'000's of Yazhidi lives saved by striking IS in Iraq.
Another massive own goal from the terrorist sympathiser.
It doesn't seem to stop people voting Labour though, how bizarre.
No wait, it does stop people voting Labour it's just that the election in Oldham was rigged - is that correct?
Video released today from Stop the War rally the day atfer the aid volunteer Alan Henning was beheaded showing Corbyn saying that his death was the "result of warmongering and jingo-ism". Another massive own goal from the terrorist sympathiser.
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THEDAILYBLOG.CO.NZ Seems to be another massive own goal from jambalaya ^
Video released today from Stop the War rally the day atfer the aid volunteer Alan Henning was beheaded showing Corbyn saying that his death was the "result of warmongering and jingo-ism".
Did you know that this is the only page on the whole internet with the phrase "result of warmongering and jingo-ism" on it? Perhaps that's because those words are not what Corbyn said. In fact, he said
Mr Corbyn, who was speaking at a Stop The War rally, said: “I am pleased that we started with a period of silence for Alan Henning and all those others that have died in this appalling conflict.“Because we have to remember them and remember that the price of war, the price of intervention, the price of jingoism is somebody else's son and somebody else's daughter either being killed or being killed by somebody else.”
jambalaya - MemberAnother massive own goal from the terrorist sympathiser.
Which you had to invent.
For those interested in reality, rather than making stuff up, here's the video
It'd be funnier except I see the Telegraph is running with the exact same lie.
I'm now starting to believe that jambalaya is in fact a hardline corbyn supporter and just posts all the guff so that it can be discredited..
Sneaky... Very sneaky
I for one applaud your good work as chief myth debunker 🙂
UKIP will defnitely win seats from Labour
Yet so far they have only managed to take seats and MP from the tories
Another massive own goal from the terrorist sympathiser.
Repeating a lie makes you look like a moron it does not make the lie become true
Who knows what he is but able to see the truth or speak it is not amongst his skill set.
He neglects to me tion the 10'000's of Yazhidi lives saved by striking IS in Iraq.
Like you omit to ever criticise Israel or dont mention it when France says we should take more refugees but do when they say we should join in the attacks on Isis/ Like the way you cannot bring yourself to even comment on the illegality of Israel assassinations abroad that you would consider terrorism if the "arabs did it that sort of thing?
FWIW his comments were a general comment on war so he covered everyone so your point was not even correct.
Let's compare the two based on the propaganda and counter propaganda above to determine who the real terrorist sympathiser is ...
JC(not Jesus Christ) - a man with strong communist principle from the left/far left.
DC(not District Columbia) - a man with "capitalist" principle from the centre/or centre right whatever.
Now if you look carefully at the two of them you will see that one of them is very consistent and strong in his views.
Yes, you might say that both are very consistent in their views but you will realise that one of them need this view in order to be seen as champion of the weak.
Guess who is that? Guess who is consistently having the principle or ideology that was born out of revolution?
As usual I have presented my cryptic clue because to me there is no amount of counter propaganda will change that ...
Therefore, it is true that one of them is a terrorist sympathiser. You decide ...
If you cannot see that then they see you coming ... 😆
Edit: I think you need to use good nice looking retro propaganda poster to be honest as I like those retro propaganda poster. Why don't the come up with good looking retro propaganda poster nowadays? With people marching etc ...
It'd be funnier except I see the Telegraph is running with the exact same lie.
To be fair they've been running "world will end unless we bomb JC" headlines pretty much non stop since he was nominated for the Labour Party Leadership.
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UKIP will defnitely win seats from Labour. Voting irregularity still being investigated from the GE I understand. Formal compaints where issued by Tories and UKIP back in May. There is no lesson for the Tories in Oldham, its not a seat worth putting a lot of effort into, way more winnable seats elsewhere.Video released today from Stop the War rally the day atfer the aid volunteer Alan Henning was beheaded showing Corbyn saying that his death was the "result of warmongering and jingo-ism". Another massive own goal from the terrorist sympathiser. He neglects to me tion the 10'000's of Yazhidi lives saved by striking IS in Iraq.
Out of curiosity, much does the tory party pay you to troll interweb forums? 😆
Out of curiosity, much does the tory party pay you to troll interweb forums?
Can't be much, he's not very good, plus he keeps signing off his posts "Conservative Party Central Office' ....
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Out of curiosity, much does the tory party pay you to troll interweb forums?
You do know that you have just scored your own goal by saying don't you or do you not see me coming? 😆
According to John McTernan in the Daily Telegraph the reason Labour easily won in Oldham is because the voters there weren't fully aware that Jeremy Corbyn is now leader of the Labour Party.
That is despite the fact he was mentioned extensively in election leaflets including this one by UKIP :
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To be fair seeing how (like jambalaya's posts) insulting to most people's intelligence that leaflet is, I'm starting to understand how Labour so easily saw off the UKIP "threat" in their heartland.
ernie_lynch - MemberAccording to John McTernan in the Daily Telegraph the reason Labour easily won in Oldham is because the voters there weren't fully aware that Jeremy Corbyn is now leader of the Labour Party.
That is despite the fact he was mentioned extensively in election leaflets including this one by UKIP :
Labour won in Oldham but when was the last time other party won in Oldham?
Aren't you a bit quick to jump to conclusion?
I have met people in the North East who would not vote other party apart from Labour. Their views are rather simple ... Class war.
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Out of curiosity, much does the tory party pay you to troll interweb forums?
I believe Israel have a reasonable budget fort his kind of activity too.
Hanging onto a massively safe Labour seat with a local candidate who's very much a moderate in the party is hatdly an endorsement for the keadership is it ?
I did indeed listen to the speech before I posted, just like Len McClusky says Corbyn really needs to engage his brain before speaking. He just cant help himself.
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jambalaya - MemberCorbyn really needs to engage his brain before speaking. He just cant help himself.
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[quote=jambalaya opined]Hanging onto a massively safe Labour seat with a local candidate who's very much a moderate in the party is hatdly an endorsement for the keadership is it ?
On would imagine the way to protest your opposition to the current leadership and her methods would be to vote the party out in a relatively meaningless by election and give him a bloody nose. You know what you were predicting would happen. Now it has not then clearly delivering a great result for labour is definitely the way to show you hate the leader...who could argue otherwise with such an insight.
I did indeed listen to the speech before I posted,
May I ask why you got it so wrong then ?
He said he could not say the first thing that came into his head in terms of the shoot to kill he fully endorses his position on war to the extent he has threatened the MPs not to do a coup re thisjust like Len McClusky says Corbyn really needs to engage his brain before speaking.
LOLZHe just cant help himself.
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WHat is the charge to get you to stop?
I did indeed listen to the speech before I posted
Sooo...how do you account for your "quotation" being different from the truth?
jambalaya - MemberI did indeed listen to the speech before I posted
Nobody suggested otherwise. We know you're a compulsive liar, and that it really makes no difference to you whether you've listened to the speech or not.
We know you[s]'re a compulsive liar,[/s] work for Conservative Central Office
FIFY
If jambalaya is working for Conservative Central Office someone needs to get the sack.
I like how we're all ignoring him, these threads work much better for it.
Northwind you suggested the Telegrapgh was lying so feel free to contact IPSO, as you know with me those sort of accusations are like water off a ducks back.
Guardian suggesting there will be a purge of the Shadow Cabinet. IRONY, oh yes indeed from the man who voted against his own party and government 500 times doesnt like it when the boot is on the other foot. If there is a purge Corbyns credibility sink even further as the Shadow Cabinet sill look even lighter on experience.
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