Jeremy Corbyn

I’m absolutely baffled as to why all our resident STW lefties find me having an argument with some gammons in my local boozer a few years ago such an endlessly interesting topic of conversation.

To be fair the story gets better with every time you recall it!

You are now telling us that the fateful day when you had "a massive barney" with everyone down your local pub has now entered local folklore, you never told us that before!

It's also changing, I don't know if that's due to Chinese whispers. In your original story you claimed that you shouted "you're all bigots" before storming out of the pub, an eyewitness told you afterwards that someone piped up "what's a bigot?" after you had gone.

Now you're claiming that after you threw your wobbly you sat back down (presumably you had to stand up to deliver it) finished your pint and read your Guardian in an absolutely silent pub.

Which frankly I find even more hilarious! I have visions of everyone in pub sitting in deathly silence and looking at each other sideways wondering what the Guardian reading nutter is going to do next.

Plus of course the wonderful irony of someone who loses their rag and goes into a spectacular rant in a pub refering to the other punters as "gammons" isn't lost on me. I can't be sure what colour your face turned but I have no doubt that your blood pressure went through the roof!

And let's not forget that the whole incident which you claim has now become the stuff of legends resurfaced because of this comment you made :

I reckon Daz and bridges should join forces and form a new political party with a catchy title reflecting their values and aspirations. Something like “Voters? They’re all *s! Utter *ing ****s the lot of you!” 😀

Not a particularly clever comment if you were hoping that your own embarrassing indiscretions would remain forgotten.

Can you just clarify for me why you’re so absolutely obsessed with this incident?

Frankly, it’s all a bit weird

And has @grum had any word from his Ramsbottom sources back to throw any more light on the situation?

Because right now I still can’t get my head around why your devoting your time and energy to forensically analysing a bit of a tif in a pub in the north west of England that happened a few years ago

I gather you’ve been going back through previous posts to ‘fact-check’

Maybe your time might be better spent having a long hard look at your life.

Oh... I had a nice ride, if you’re interested. The trails are drier than I thought they would be. I finished my ride at the brewery for a couple of pints with a couple of mates in the sun, while you were trawling back through pages of a thread about Jeremy Corbyn so you could satisfy yourself with ... well... who knows? I haven’t got a clue. 😂

Read what I said, I think story is hilarious, and now you've changed the ending it's even funnier!

I also said that you having a go at a couple of people on here with your "Voters? They’re all *s! Utter *ing ****s the lot of you!” made it particularly funny.

Don't you like people taking the piss binners?

And you would be surprised how little I have to "fact-check" when it comes to your posts. Your daily rants are what makes an otherwise fairly dull and predictable echo chamber interesting, so I tend to pay particular attention to what you post and remember quite a lot.

Other posts tend to converge into a dull beige mass, yours stand out. I bet all the regulars down the Rose and Crown remember your rant on that fateful day!

Yeah I had a very nice ride too today. Although as is usually the case these days it was a club road ride. Down to Tanhouse Farm for coffee and then back to Croydon via Box Hill.

I was leading actually, although to my shame I lost a couple of riders just before Tanhouse, luckily it wasn't a problem as they knew the way.

Btw did you know that according to Strava Box Hill is the most popular hill climb in THE WORLD?!? That's a fact that is.

Pfft! It’s not even a proper hill. Why don’t you come up and do the Rake. It takes you not only past the infamous Rose and Crown but also my house. It’s only a 25%. It’s a doddle

I can take you for a pint afterwards at that legendary venue. We can do that thing that they do on Radio 4 where they bring back all the parties involved in seismic world events to revue their part in it

I’ll even throw in a framed print for you, comrade

It's definitely a hill, that's why it's called Box Hill (Box refers to the box trees btw)

But yeah it's a very easy hill, no doubt about that, well doable for most beginners. There's plenty harder than Box Hill on the North Downs.

The challenge isn't the steepness but how fast you can get up it. Today took an exceptionally long time and everyone had to wait for me as about a third of the way up I came across a fledgling crow unable to fly by the side of the road. One of his parents appeared to be on the grassy hillside which would have required him to get up a very steep embankment. So I got off my bike and carried him over so that he could get to his mum/dad. True story that. Surprised he let me do it tbh.

Yeah toying with the idea of driving up to Northumberland to see some friends sometime, so stopping for a drink at the Rose and Crown would be interesting. I would struggle to find a pub full of bigots near me.

Btw did you know that nearly 40% of Londoners, me included, weren't born in the UK? That's a fact that is.

Bratislava?

Why are you offering a random European capital?

Papua, New Guinea?

So, which night does Jeremy have the allotment committee meeting in the Rose and Crown Ramsbottom?

Is Bridges available to book to clear out racists from your local boozer?

Is the Croydon Communist going to do a MNPR from the Rose and Crown?

Read what I said, I think story is hilarious, and now you’ve changed the ending it’s even funnier!

Lol! So funny. The original 'story' had a strong whiff of a beef farm about it already, but seeing Binners fall into a trap entirely of his own making, is true comedy gold. Brilliant. 😀 At least it now means anything Binners claims can be disregarded as 'made up nonsense'. Good to have that confirmed in writing.

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Bless, Billy. You've had a very productive morning. Well done you!

At least Corbyn wouldn't just sit on his arse and do nothing to actually challenge racism...

At least it now means anything Binners claims can be disregarded as ‘made up nonsense’.

I'm really confused. Isn't everything on here made up nonsense? You mean some people say things they actually mean or which actually happened?

I know! There are some people who profess to care deeply and passionately about climate change who jet off on foreign holiday. During a global pandemic. To pick an example at random. Bonkers isn't it?

Jesus are you still going on about my holiday? 🙄

😀

Is this a private thread now? I live quite close to Ramsbottom and know the Rake and the pub in question (never been in), no word of the earth shattering events of a couple of years ago have gotten as far north in the valley as where I am, maybe it's the altitude.

the earth shattering events of a couple of years ago

Binners' imaginary pub rant, or Dazh's foreign holiday?

Where did you go, dazh?

Jesus are you still going on about my holiday Jeremy Corbyn?

FTFY etc

His brother is the leading light of the family now. 🙂

Can I hear some Shite said Fred?

(Not you Hutchy)

no word of the earth shattering events of a couple of years ago have gotten as far north in the valley as where I am, maybe it’s the altitude.

Maybe the news is blocked by the diverse clientele in pubs Bridges goes to in Rawtenstall.

Can I hear some Shite said Fred?

I think he burned his bridges with the mods a long time back.

Its like a Benetton advert up in Rawtenstall nowadays

The bus station earlier today....

I think he burned his bridges with the mods a long time back.

The name could be an ironic nod

Makes you think....

I live quite close to Ramsbottom

Is Dags a place?

This thread looks like a massive derail to me because Labour are so useless, and there isn't that much to talk about.

There is already another Labour thread somewhere. This is just for bitter recriminations and back-biting now.

I see corbyn has decided to go full putinbot

The picture might not work but the link certainly does.

And from the article:

The truth is that no modern politician has been more consistent or more prescient when it comes to Putin than Corbyn. Far from being pro-Putin, Corbyn warned against him when others didn’t.

And from the interview this week:

Pouring arms in isn't going to bring about a solution, It's only going to prolong and exaggerate this war," he asserted

He is wrong here. When he says 'pouring arms in' he's talking about arming Ukraine. And a failure to do that will allow Putin to stomp all over the country, pushing his imperial, fascist regime upon even more innocent civilians, and allowing him to think he's right.

And therefore, there has to be more much more effort put into peace

This is hand-waving guff. It's completely hollow. He offers no ideas, apart from a) not arming Ukraine and b) asking Mr Putin not to be a fascist.

I agree with Corbyn on some stuff, and did vote for him to be Labour leader in 2015 - but I think he's hopelessly in the wrong on this.

And - as noted in that tweet thread - he's also completely ignoring the wishes of the Ukrainian people:

Seems odd then that's he's willing to appear on a news channel that is pretty Pro Russian in it's coverage of Ukraine, and has repeatedly been accused of being funded by Hezbollah and of being a front for Iranian propaganda, supports the Syrian government, and has been accused of spreading anti-Semitic disinformation about the Panama Papers. I'm sure his reasons are legitimate.

But as Peter Oborne points out in your linked article Corbyn is a "failed politician whose time as a major player in British politics is over"  We should probably just ignore it as attention seeking; like his brother.

Btw this is the interview which is being referred to:

Personally I can't see anything in it which I would disagree with.

Obviously people like Boris Johnson are very unlikely to agree, preferring no doubt more war-war and less jaw-jaw.

 preferring no doubt more war-war and less jaw-jaw.

The Ukrainians certainly seem to want more war-war and less jaw-jaw. Perhaps we should help them fight off an imperialist aggressor?

Actually 85% of Ukrainians don’t want a negotiated peace that involves giving up territory.

has been accused of spreading anti-Semitic disinformation

Hardly a damning condemnation. Anyone who expresses any support for the Palestinian people, who ironically are Semites, will at some point be accused of being anti-Semitic.

Chris York writes for a magazine whose owner denounced David Cameron for calling Gaza a prison camp, which many fair-minded people consider to be an apt description.

 Anyone who expresses any support for the Palestinian people, who ironically are Semites, will at some point be accused of being anti-Semitic.

No, it's nothing to do with support for Palestine, it's to do with George Soros and the Panama Papers revelations. This news channel like other such insightful and legitimate sights like influencers supporting QAnon were spreading disinformation about Soros as a way of confusing the story

The whole topic of the Ukraine war has its own thread, this isn't the place to discuss it.

I see nothing in the interview which Corbyn gave that I would fundamentally disagree with.

There is no evidence that Corbyn supports Putin, a man with links with hard-right and conservative organisations throughout the world, and whose oligarchs have bankrolled the Tory Party, not the Labour Party.

Corbyn is a “failed politician whose time as a major player in British politics is over”

And yet people still can't resist the baseless smears, even if it means reviving a thread which everyone had thought had died long ago.

To be fair it is to Corbyn's credit that his enemies still feel it is necessary to maintain the attacks on him.

I think in this he's a voice of sanity. Just, unfortunately, it's an insane situation and being a voice of sanity is just not useful. Probably 99% of the time sanity is the best option and our recent insane politics has been totally the wrong option but that 1% is a really important 1%

edit---- pointless snark

And I wonder if he had been around in the 1930s whether he would have been accused of being a fascist sympathizer?

But I think we probably all know the answer to that question.

Jeremy Corbyn has always been a pacifist who has been anti-war and anti-everything that is around war and occupation, he's been that way since forever and isn't going to change his principles, which is probably why he was just never going to win any elections, he has principles and won't forget about them to gain votes, which in politics is just not a good thing when you see the success the likes of Boris and Truss are having these days.

I think the Ukraine situation and the whole stop the war thing was just a no win situation for him and his followers, there was only two realistic outcomes, a big land based war, or an occupation akin to the olden USSR days, neither of which Corbyn is a fan off.

The whole topic of the Ukraine war has its own thread, this isn’t the place to discuss it.

Rubbish, if it's relevant it can be discussed - or at least that's your defence when you keep raising Starmer on every bloody Tory thread

I think the Ukraine situation and the whole stop the war thing was just a no win situation for him and his followers, there was only two realistic outcomes, a big land based war, or an occupation akin to the olden USSR days, neither of which Corbyn is a fan off.

I think this is a reasonable summary - and it illustrates the limitations of his position in cases like this.

Rubbish, if it’s relevant it can be discussed

Fine, if you think that this is the correct thread to discuss the Ukraine war then crack on. I am not a mod.

Personally I won't be using this thread to engage in an in-depth discussion about the Ukraine and what the alleged 85% of the population do or don't support. That was my point, but you carry on.