[Closed] Jeez! I'm speechless

Following the initial collision, get on the blower to the cops, stop, get out and eat lots of humble pie

So, regardless of what went before - Surrounded by a large group of angry people, some of whom may (according to reports) have been carrying knives, with your kids in the car, you'd step out and say, "I say, chaps, this is a rum old do, what!".

FFS. We know almost nothing of this, but we do know that the motorbike riders were being dicks, and the car driver was hopelessly outnumbered and scared. I'd have tried to find a way to drive off sharpish as well.

I didnt see any knives. When they slowed down/neared/stopped. Did you?

Surely after running over people those chasing would have had said knives out due to blood up etc?

Not one. Judt a helmet. Oh or when they beat him up- no stab mark on him?

So no knives then. Maybe someone had a expensive lawyer talking up the defendents statement of events.

Again. Im guessing the RR driver was inpatient/beeping being held up and it escalated.

I'm guessing

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i'm guessing

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A big black RangeRover. Hardly the vehicle of a mild mannered type.

My grandad drives a black Range Rover.
He's 84 years old and weighs about 9 stone.

What was your point again ??

Update:

One bikers spine was crushed in one of the "accidents"

Both bikers initially arrested have been released without charge.

Cops are looking for the biker on the blue trailie (dr650?) that tried to open the guys door and who then smashes his way into the car on catching him in traffic.

The driver got a kicking, but is fine.

Successful drug dealer?

Too close to a gang of bikes? Get the hell out of dodge.

Was he able to get away prior to the filmed incident (or indeed any preceding incident? From what we see in the video, he's driving along caught up in a swarm of bikes. One brake-checks him - possibly following an unseen incident - and he bumps it. He stops.

What part of "already failed to get away from angry bikers" was he struggling to comprehend? A minor bump happened and he couldn't escape. And you reckon the best thing to do is to rile more of them by driving over more of them?

Previously he'd been driving along, not trying and failing to get away. Then he bumped one, then he stopped. Then (according to the video) his car was attacked - at which point yes, I think he was best served by trying to get away. That he failed is by the by, it was still the best strategy.

CaptainFlashheart...

The definition of madness is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result (I know it's not, but it's a good saying).

It's as plain as the nose on your face that he'd already tried to get away by driving in the same direction as them. He failed spectacularly. At that point he should have learned something - that he wasn't getting away from them, and that angering them further was Darwin Award stupid.

What he should have done was NOT have the initial accident. Pull over/go for a coffee/update his facebook complaining about idiot bikers etc etc etc....anything not to place his family in an absurdly exposed and dangerous situation.

Markie...

I'll type it again, as you don't seem to be understanding (my command of the language knows no beginning) - He SHOULDN'T have been in the situation to have the accident. The time to stop was before the accident. Recognise the impending hazard and back off as far as its possible to back off to.

Having failed to do that, don't drive fast/close enough to be brake checked.

Only a fool would think the course of action he took was the safest one. It hardly took mystic meg to see he was going to be caught. It was when, not if. Was there any point in that movie that you thought he'd get away? Seriously?

What exactly did happen previous to the footage p8ddy? You seem to be the man with all the facts...

He SHOULDN'T have been in the situation to have the accident. The time to stop was before the accident. Recognise the impending hazard and back off as far as its possible to back off to.

Plus, tactical hindsight (ooh, get me!) is 20/20. People in stressful situations for which they have not been trained make bad calls. Based on the video, from where he ended up I think he played it correctly.

Having failed to do that, don't drive fast/close enough to be brake checked.

Only a fool would think the course of action he took was the safest one. It hardly took mystic meg to see he was going to be caught. It was when, not if. Was there any point in that movie that you thought he'd get away? Seriously?

Again. Im guessing the RR driver was inpatient/beeping being held up and it escalated.

Stop guessing & youll get some credence...

Otherwise STFU.

Not condoning the actions of those bikers, but deliberately running someone over? Is that really a commensurate response to that scenario? Is one of them about to assault him?

LHS - Member

From what i've read the bikers started it, and were brandishing weapons at the driver and his wife, then brake checked it and got what was coming to them.[b] If that happened to me i'd run over their bikes too.[/b]

Again. Im guessing the RR driver was inpatient/beeping being held up

Psling...

I don't have all the facts sadly :). The update was from a rather more balanced NY Post report . From my reading of the updates, the brake check/collision on the video was the first collision, but was the culmination/escalation of RR driver vs bike bad feeling. ATM neither bikers or motorist is prepared to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in that respect.

Supposing he didn't get the chance to sort it amicably...
If he'd accidentally knocked one of them off do you honestly think that group would have stood around & exchanged details...

Sit nicely while your kids scream in terror as a gang, driven to some degree by pack mentality, surround your car & try & smash their way in...

I'd have done exactly the same.
Most would.

Its the US, I can imagine folk are somewhat more protective over there what with guns being so prevalent.

Are we sure this isn't just an elaborate viral marketing campaign for Range Rover?

p8ddy - Member

ATM neither bikers or motorist is prepared to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in that respect.

Not too surprising... But, some bits will be hard to dispute. Like, claims of tyre slashing, easy to check. Extent of damage to the car, also easy.

Mrlebowski step away from the keyboard. You've become excited and maybe ots time for your meds.

What would Philo Beddoe have done?

Oh and its all conjecturing and guessing. We didnt see what happened before did we?

Whilst I don't condone the actions of the RR driver, given the other videos available on the net of these riders, I wouldn't have got out of my car to exchange details either. Not sure I would have run them over though.

In the numerous videos the riders are swarming around slower moving cars on a motorway (where this incident appears to happen) and then cutting dangerously in front of the cars like in the video of the RR. If you are on a motorway and a bunch like this swarms around you how are you meant to pull over and go another way to avoid them? All you can do is carry on to the next exit surrounded by bikers.

There are plenty of videos on Liveleak of last years ride where they are attacking other vehicles which they deem to be in their way. One where a car is making a left turn on a green light and they go through the red and attack the car as it has stopped before hitting any of them but is in their way.

Given the very bad riding it was only a matter of time before there was an accident. Having said that no one deserves to get run over and I don't know how I would have reacted in that situation but I am not surprised it ended like this.

Surrounded by a large group of angry people, some of whom may (according to reports) have been carrying knives, with your kids in the car, you'd step out and say, "I say, chaps, this is a rum old do, what!".

Flashy +1

lol at the thought of stepping out and eating humble pie 🙂

I've just had a thought.

What if this was in South Africa.

That was actually a thought?

Thats right, do you have them?

Sometimes, I just don't post up the ones that make no sense.

You just post the dull and lacklustre.

Wow, I am destroyed.

Please stop

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Then what? Your highly tuned keyboarding abilities have developed the skills to outrun a bunch of motorbikes in a Range Rover? You'd have jumped out the car and given them all, each and every one of them, a damn good thrashing?

Your comment makes no sense. Anyone (apart from you seemingly) in that situation would have done exactly the same. Fight or flight. Fight was not an option so flight is the only way for self preservation. He was on the phone to the local PD and trying to drive to the local station. That is EXACTLY what anyone would have done.

Getting out of the car, no matter what you think, would be the worst possible move.

S****s at cynic hora

Reminded me of [i]other[/i] couples squabbling about nothing when shopping

Flashy....

So, regardless of what went before - Surrounded by a large group of angry people, some of whom may (according to reports) have been carrying knives, with your kids in the car, you'd step out and say, "I say, chaps, this is a rum old do, what!".

Ha ha ha... Comedy gold.

Tell me, how did driving over a bunch of bikers work out for him?

I'm reckoning that got him a sorer kicking, rather than them saying 'Props for the getaway attempt dude'...

FFS. We know almost nothing of this, but we do know that the motorbike riders were being dicks, and the car driver was hopelessly outnumbered and scared. I'd have tried to find a way to drive off sharpish as well.

Me? I'd simply have gotten away before an accident happened. Let idiots be idiots.

If I see a gang of dodgy guys on the street, do I A. Cross the road? or B. try and squeeze my way through them? I'll be on the other side of the road watching as you walk through them it appears.

New pics.

Check out the front passenger tyre for those saying the tyres wern't slashed. And look at the pool of blood next to his hand in the second photo for those that say he wasn't hurt.

http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/10/03/shocking-images-emerge-of-bikers-bashing-range-rover-driver/

Animals.

Ha ha ha... Comedy gold.

Tell me, how did driving over a bunch of bikers work out for him?

I'm reckoning that got him a sorer kicking, rather than them saying 'Props for the getaway attempt dude'...

A sorer kicking? he's got knife wounds to the face

We're not all heroes who would happily stand up to 60 bikers out of choice mate, leaving a wife and baby in the car.

It's easy to say it from your armchair, but I bet your face-the-angry-bikers-now-rather-than-later approach might not be so easy to implement in the heat of the moment. You, like the majority of the population, would probably be shitting your pants and prepared to do anything to protect your wife and baby.

The some of the pro biker comments on here are pure "comedy gold"
Post about what happened before the video started and how they would be fearless and carefully manoeuvre around the bikes. Ace
But to be expected on here I guess. Some posters on here were defending Saville even after all the reports and inquiry s

The YouTube link I posted on my first post. How would you deal with that situation?

Peterfile...

We're not all heroes who would happily stand up to 60 bikers out of choice mate, leaving a wife and baby in the car.

Sigh... it would really help this discussion if you'd actually read my posts rather than inventing whatever you'd like my opinions to be.

I've all along advocated staying as far away from the bikers as it's humanly possible to be. Ie, not letting things get to a situation where you're threatened.

However, exactly how escalating the situation by bumping a bike and then driving over a whole bunch of them, crushing one guys spine can make things better is beyond me. So please, be my guest, explain how that works. How does that make things better. In any way?

It's easy to say it from your armchair, but I bet your face-the-angry-bikers-now-rather-than-later approach might not be so easy to implement in the heat of the moment. You, like the majority of the population, would probably be shitting your pants and prepared to do anything to protect your wife and baby.

Nope. I'd see a large group of ****s and steer as clear as possible.

However, in the event of a bump, if you're asking do I try and make peace with them and manage the situation, or should I goad the living hell out them? I think the answer is obvious. I'd take the cowards way out - there is nothing brave or noble in taking a doing.

Instead, there are at least two people in hospital, one of whom looks like he'll never walk again.

And BTW - I'm not pro anyone in this debate. The bikers were ****s, the driver was a **** and they combined to make a massive ****fest.

So how are those cars able to avoid finding themself in the midst? One minute its cool, then next you're surrounded by bikers pulling wheelies, one crashes into you and you stop only to find yourself surrounded by angry nutjobs. You either

A) Sit in your car while they smash the windows in. Chances are your wife and child also get hurt.
B) Try and drive off and get to the nearest police station. If some psychotic biker is in the way thats thier bad move.

I spose if theyd run over a pedestrian while pulling a wheelie up the pavement it would be the pedestrians fault for not getting out of the way?

Me? I'd simply have gotten away before an accident happened. Let idiots be idiots.

If I see a gang of dodgy guys on the street, do I A. Cross the road? or B. try and squeeze my way through them? I'll be on the other side of the road watching as you walk through them it appears.

P8ddy, how would you have gotten away before this happened if you are on a motorway when a gang of motor cyclists catches up and swarms around you? If you can get away then fine but how do you do this on a motorway when the only way to go is straight ahead?

I had this happen on the M20 about 6 years ago when a group of around 80 motor cyclists from across the channel came charging up behind me as I was overtaking a lorry. They ended up under taking between me and the lorry. I was then stuck in the middle lane with bikes 2 feet infront and several inches behind and to both sides of my car. I couldnt accelerate, brake or change lane to get away. All I could do was stay where I was and hope that I didnt hit any of them until they were all past. They thought it was funny to bang/slap on the sides and roof of cars as they were passing and did this to alot of the cars they were passing.

I can tell you this was ****ing frightning as I had no control over the situation at all. I certainly wouldnt have got out of the car if I had clipped any of them (I hope I wouldnt have run any over either though).

The second image was taken just after the attack occurred with the motorcycles clearly trying to escape the carnage they had just caused. All the while, Lien was left on his hands and keens bleeding heavily and being shielded by two brave bystanders.

Having seen the bits on the ABC video, it's pretty clear that the bikers weren't just trying to surround him to wait for the police. That they've ultimately dragged him out of his car and beaten him so that he ended up in hospital shows that, perhaps, he might have had reason to think they were going to do him some harm.

I don't know if I'd have driven OVER people but I'd definitely be looking to get away from the bikers.

Just as an aside this came from the police about tracking down more bikers:

But some of the plates turned out to be stolen or belong to different bikes, making it tougher to ID the motorcyclists.

So, law abiding motorcyclists with fake/stolen plates out for a casual ride, not attempting to hurt anyone... a bit like this one where they harass drivers, ride on the pavement etc. 🙄

p8ddy, i'm inventing nothing. Stepping out of your vehicle to face the music/take a beating IS standing up to the bikers. Have you ever been in a situation where you're likely to be seriously injured or worse? By your persistent attempts to convince us that you'd try to "make peace" with them, i'd suggest that you have not.

However, exactly how escalating the situation by bumping a bike and then driving over a whole bunch of them, crushing one guys spine can make things better is beyond me. So please, be my guest, explain how that works. How does that make things better. In any way?

Fight or flight.
It't not "fight, make peace or flight".

No one can say for sure what they would do in that situation, however the driver clearly felt threatened enough that he was left with only those two "options". Fighting/taking a beating from 60 people, some of whom are armed, isn't really what I would call an option.

Adrenalin kicks in and the foot goes down. Not saying I condone it, but logical and rational thinking were most likely at the bottom of the pile at that moment. He wasn't thinking about a way to "make the situation better", he was thinking about protecting himself and his family, NOTHING else.

And BTW - I'm not pro anyone in this debate. The bikers were *, the driver was a * and they combined to make a massive ****fest.

I said the same in my very first post in this thread, I can't take either side.

I do find it odd that we can judge the driver's reactions to a situation which none of us experienced. IMO it would have been extremely foolish for him to get out of the car. By staying put he would probably have been dragged out anyway, so his options were limited and becoming more so for ever second that passed.

Heat of the moment reaction, i'd expect he just went into autopilot and was not capable of sitting down for a rational analysis of the situation before deciding on the best course of action. He make a silly move, but he was heavily influenced by the bikers' behaviour