Forum menu
I had a bottle of Jam Shed Malbec yesterday evening with my Sunday dinner.
Now it's not to everyone's taste but I like it.
Anyway, I had a very unsettled sleep, with some very vivid and weird dreams. I'm sure this has happened when I've drank it before.
Don't get the same effect with other wines or alcohol in general.
Is there some weird shit in it, compared to other reds?
Had a look online and couldn't find anything.
Some links saying it contains a lot of sugar but others saying it contains none?
I had a bottle
did you have all of it ?
If so I'm not surprised you had a poor sleep !
Drink is bad for quality of sleep anyway but my partner had to give up booze, even as quite a moderate drinker, becuase it suddenly started to really affect her sleep. Half a glass could muck up her sleep for two or three nights.
did you have all of it ?
If so I’m not surprised you had a poor sleep !
Yes I did. It's the same as 4 pints of beer. Not an absolutely huge amount of alcohol. YMMV.
Other red wines don't seem to bother me.
Whilst a lot of reds have sulphites, lots of Austalian wines have an especially high sulphite content and again, especially those which are selling on strong flavour or colour. Sulphites can significantly effect digestion, sleep and can cause headaches.
As above, better wine, often organic will make a difference.
Obviously depends on how much you drink, as I've had less than 4 pints over the last 8 years, as I don't drink...
Have another bottle tonight and let us know your findings.
Lots of ‘affordable’ wines are off our list for causing bad sleep, trippy dreams and headaches. There are a few that don’t though but it took a bit of work
I think the conclusion from this is that you should stick to drinking good quality wine with reputable provenance, rather than some strange mix from various countries and sources.
Or you can drink something that you like...
Love Jam Shed but the Shiraz rather than Malbec. Doesn't affect me any more or less than anything else.
Yes!
But for me it's all red wine sadly, enjoyed a nice Shiraz-Cabernet at the weekend but it ruined my sleep (after 2 glasses). I get this with my usual Merlot as well though
Interested in observations about quality, I'm strictly in the £7.50 - £10 supermarket wine bracket because I doubt I would appreciate anything more expensive, but if I thought it would disrupt my sleep less...
Lots of ‘affordable’ wines are off our list for causing bad sleep, trippy dreams and headaches. There are a few that don’t though but it took a bit of work
Could you suggest one that didn't cause bad sleep?
Watching this, as I ain’t giving up booze but similarly not giving up sleep. Mostly white / rosé here but keen to learn if there are patterns (e.g. sulphites)
I drink red wine every day, thankfully never disturbs my sleep. Cheers
Party getting old, part a factor of drinking red wine.....I have to schedule drinking it now, day after is usually approaching write off even if I'm only having a couple of glasses. Booze in general has a diabolical impact on my sleep.
Yes I did. It’s the same as 4 pints of beer. Not an absolutely huge amount of alcohol. YMMV.
Other red wines don’t seem to bother me.
It is alot of alcohol though.
The notion of one glass of red being good for you has been well dispelled. And its now understood that even very small levels of alcohol have a negative effect.
It is alot of alcohol though.
To you maybe.
Not trying to claim it's healthy, alcohol is a poison. That's not up for debate.
However, most people who go to the pub on an evening will probably drink more than 4 pints.
if I go to watch a football match in the pub, I'm probably there for about 2.5 hrs, typically would have 5 or 6 pints in that time. The same for the majority of people in there. Don't go as often as I did, mainly because it's around £5 or £6 for a decent beer.
The vast majority of people who regularly drink, drink in excess of recommended limits.
.
To you maybe.
Not trying to claim it’s healthy, alcohol is a poison. That’s not up for debate
If it came across as judgemental that wasn't my intention. I had a hangover on Sunday.
But its absolutely plenty to have serious effects on your sleep.
You're in the "must have had a bad pint" zone here rather than just facing its quite alot of alcohol.
And if you are going less often aswell thats going show as more of an affect when you do.
However, most people who go to the pub on an evening will probably drink more than 4 pints.
if I go to watch a football match in the pub, I’m probably there for about 2.5 hrs, typically would have 5 or 6 pints in that time.
Not my circle of pals. And post 40 my tolerance of alcohol changed - from disturbed sleep to hangovers when before I would not have had them.
Some stats here I have not yet waded through.
https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/research/alcohol-facts-and-data/alcohol-consumption-uk
I’m strictly in the £7.50 – £10 supermarket wine bracket because I doubt I would appreciate anything more expensive,
I don't know anything about wine but there was an interesting thing in the paper the other day:
Fixed costs such as bottles and shipping duty will come to about £2.70 a bottle plus VAT. At £4.95, the value of the wine is less than the value of the bottle and VAT...For a £7 bottle, Mansour says 10% will go towards the wine, which “still isn’t enough”. “My advice is to spend between £8 and £15, the higher the better. The sweet spot is £12. Compared with a £7 bottle, a £12 bottle gets you four times as much value – a better return on your investment in terms of the wine’s taste, quality and balance."
Jam shed specifically, is awful for sleep, in my opinion/experience. we wont touch it anymore.
ive heard its to do with sulphites. I dont know what a sulphite is.
I sadly gave up on red wine about 6 months ago. I absolutely love the taste of it, but about a year ago I started getting worse and worse hangovers after only having had a couple of glasses. Eventually, just one small glass and I'd be wrecked the next day. I'd drunk it for years before that, with no issue. Beer, white wine and whiskey - all in moderation I'm fine with. I used to love Port but I fear it will have the same effect, so haven't dared risk a skull crushing hangover to find out. Can anyone recommend a low sulphite red wine I can try in the hope I can bring this small pleasure back into my life?
I avoid red wine in general for sleep issues. Wake up in the early hours, feel rubbish, lie awake feeling rubbish for a couple of hours, get to sleep, wake up at usual time feeling rubbish for the day. The enjoyment does not outweigh the downsides.
Jam Shed wine is vile. Possibly good for treating fence panels, but not much else.
I can’t stand jam shed, but I’d didn’t come here to judge your taste. But it’s definitely a very high sulphite wine, judging on that flavour - which is coincidentally why I don’t like it. And any high sulphite wine gives me various problems.
"Jam Shed wine is vile. Possibly good for treating fence panels, but not much else."
Got to admit I fell about laughing when I read this...
I wouldn't waste my time with wine that's been shipped halfway round the world, when we are next door to some of the best wine-producing countries in the world. That's not to say I wouldn't drink, say Aussie wine if I was living there (I did and enjoyed it).
Lots of high alcohol (>13%) new world wines do this to me, or give me stinking hangovers that just don’t occur with less industrial wines. I think they’re heavily bolstered with crap sherry.
that and the fact that as I get older I can’t process the aftermath as well, despite knowing to pre-load myself at bedtime with sis tablets and brufen.
I like a Jam Shed too. Fight me.
have you tried Buckfast?
Certain beers like Jaipur do that to me ?
I don't know if it's the sulphites messing folk up or not, but there are plenty of wines with no additional added sulphites. You can't get sulphite free afaik, as it's naturally occurring, but certainly less. Got one here - Nanit Natural Bobal 2023. It's good (light, fruity. Not a malbec replacement though).
Why do teetotal temperance types bother to open a thread about alcohol?
Is it so they can be pious and waffle on about how they don't drink? Well I'll tell you
something for nowt - you're very boring.
Like going onto a SAAB forum and saying I don't drive and have never driven a SAAB,
Sad.
Gotta agree with Derek on this one.
Why do teetotal temperance types bother to open a thread about alcohol?
Is it so they can be pious and waffle on about how they don’t drink?
Out of interest, who are the "teetotal temperance types" in this thread? I haven't seen any posts that meet that description tbh. Or anyone who says they don't drink?
Why do teetotal temperance types bother to open a thread about alcohol?
Is it so they can be pious and waffle on about how they don’t drink? Well I’ll tell you
something for nowt – you’re very boring.
I'm with you, it's the forum equivalent of the boring spods who hang around in the background at parties while the rest of us get into the booze and have proper fun.
If you don't like drinking, how on earth do you enjoy riding a mountain bike? Losers... NOT DRINKING IS BORING!
More seriously, I think people are just trying to help the OP work out why drinking a single bottle of wine would impact on his sleep. Generally drinking small amounts this like has a very limited impact on sleep, so you have to think it's something specific to the type of wine. Interestingly there's a GCN video where Dan Lloyd looks into alcohol including its impact on sleep.
His tongue-in-cheek conclusion was that it's best to drink with as long an interval as possible before bedtime, so ideally with or before breakfast, yeah right. Anyway, I think it's quite a balanced take from someone who enjoys a drink and is not going to give it up. And why should he?
Like going onto a SAAB forum and saying I don’t drive and have never driven a SAAB,
Like going onto a thread about someone having problems with their Saab and seeing if you know the answer even if you don't own a Saab, more like...
To the OP, try two bottles and assess resulting sleep. One may not be enough for a good nights sleep. 🙂
As an aside, I don't like Jam Shed. One of the VERY few I won't drink again. But each to their own.
Can’t comment on Jamshed wine, but a dram of talisker scotch puts me into a seriously foul mood, don’t get it with cheap blends!
The occupational therapists giving a return to work course to long Covid sufferers for my local foundation trust suggested restricting drinking to no later than lunchtime for the sake of sleep quality. I thought this was hilarious, but perhaps a bottle of Jam Shed would go down better with breakfast or lunch. Food for thought.
Quite tempted to try this wine next Friday, for the sake of science. Haven't had a decent dream for ages.
I think the conclusion from this is that you should stick to drinking good quality wine with reputable provenance, rather than some strange mix from various countries and sources.
I've never had Jam Shed (the name would put me off plus I'm not keen on Malbec) but apparently it is from Mendoza in Argentina which is typical Malbec country.