the use of the snowflake insult is a handy proxy for revealing the alt-right supporters.
I really enjoyed "An Awesome Wave" but didn't think "This is All Yours" hit the mark - typical second album syndrome. "Relaxer" demonstrates a far more mature sound, but whether or not they enjoy a repeat of their early success remains to be seen.
Seeing actual nazis and the KKK described as alt-right recently was interesting, wasn't it. I think a lot of people realised it's just a rebrand of the old right but apparently that job's now done and they feel comfortable dropping the mask
The irony is that Rees-Mogg's inability to defend his beliefs other than a blind reliance on faith and doctrine is pretty much identical to that used by Isis and other fundamentalists.
councilof10s getting better, yesterday every response also included a free piss-related insult
I've always thought Joe Newman sounded like a whiny cock-bag personally, I can see why you'd like them.
The use of music to advance a right wing ideology is nothing new but it's still pretty pathetic.
Lets start with Wagner shall we?
There's not much in the world so sad as an unloved child who desperately seeks to fulfil himself online.
The irony is that Rees-Mogg's inability to defend his beliefs other than a blind reliance on faith and doctrine
Is his faith not his defensive for his beliefs?
Many people I know just have social media,facebook or fakenews to base their ever changing beliefs on!
councilof10 - Member
It's the ultimate snowflake defence; "I haven't a clue what I'm talking about but someone loves me"!!!
Can you explain what this means?
There's not much in the world so sad as an unloved child who desperately seeks to fulfil himself online.
Or a man of advancing years and poor education whose knuckles tighten and heartrate quickens when he walks headlong into a joke set up by none other than himself...
'twould bring a tear to a glass eye...
Is his faith not his defensive for his beliefs?
Yes. The question is why that justification is accorded special dispensation.
Can you explain what this means?
Really?... Really?? What in the name of all that's holy are you struggling to understand there???
Well, it's a collection of words that don't appear to make sense.
Perhaps you could explain it for me?
Maybe start by explaining what a 'snowflake defence' is?
Honestly coucilof10, if you're going to take the piss, you might let me know first.
Seeing actual nazis and the KKK described as alt-right recently was interesting, wasn't it
wasn't it though. That Prevent have revealed an increasingly active and vigorous right wing threat reminds us all that the fascists are never far below the surface.
Any chance of an answer?
Feel free to include as many question marks as you like.
Yes. The question is why that justification is accorded special dispensation.
But we all know why, its a religion shared by millions of people around the world.
I don't see why the need to "attack" this, this is the answer, he hasn't tied himself up in lies to hide corruption or wrong doing, there are no personal gains from adopting this stance and its not scooby doo and we aren't going to pull a mask of him to reveal some dictator people thought was dead!
"...poor education".
Cheers :-). It was ok thanks. Degree from Aberdeen uni and a further one from Sunderland. Importantly, I enjoyed them both. Lovely to argue online avouth un-provable stuff.
The Sunderland degree is pretty much a given btw. No-one wants to admit to a degree from Sunderland.
Corbyn's policies are mainstream social democratic politics, the sort of thing that wouldn't raise an eyebrow in much of Europe.
How many EU Social Democratic parties have leaving the EU in their manifesto?
"...poor education".
Further leg-pulling based on your previous post. Don't get to tight-knuckled about it old boy... 😉
Ah, the Edinburgh defence.
Care to answer the question 'old boy' or would you prefer to keep trolling?
I don't see why the need to "attack" this
semantics, you call it attacking, others would just say disagree...strongly. It's because it's dogma, it reveals that JRM hasn't given it any proper thought, which is why he finds it easy to suggest that even if the pregnancy is the result of the most awful of crimes against a person, he still hasn't the humility to allow that person to make the decision about whether the pregnancy will proceed, and just apologises for his lack of humanity with a shrug and a mealy mouthed "I'm afraid so, yes" as if he's suggesting that sorry, you will have to do your homework, or wash the dishes, or some other menial task.
millions of people may follow the Catholic church, but many more millions are capable of independent thought, and have realised that there's only really one person who should be deciding whether to have an abortion or not, (hint: it's not the nice south american man in the white pointy hat)
he finds it easy to suggest that even if the pregnancy is the result of the most awful of crimes against a person, he still hasn't the humility to allow that person to make the decision about whether the pregnancy will proceed
Which is identical to your own position 24 weeks later.
Thanks Monsueur Spanner.
Kind of used to trolls. It's a a sad state of affairs when a decent discussion is being tabled and genuine interest is shown.
(and then half your post vanishes ).
But not identical in the 24 weeks preceding that. Which is a massive difference.
I'm happy that Abortion is legal. The morals and ethics of it are clearly and obviously vague to anyone capable of giving it any sort of thought. why is a unborn at one point not a human being, when moments later it can be? I don't know and it's pretty much beyond my pay grade TBH. I'm more certain that the "viability" test that currently determines timing is a better system that "No, under no circumstances can you do this" and furthermore decided that that's the case solely by a gender and group of men that literally have no skin in the game.
It's because it's dogma, it reveals that JRM hasn't given it any proper thought
Your brain works in ever more mysterious ways if you can extrapolate the above from JRM's interview and deliver your findings with a perfectly straight face. I suspect he's given it rather more thought than you and I put together! 🙄
Any chance of an answer sweetie?
Come on, it's your phrase, it should be easy enough to explain it to a simple old chap like me......
His "all life is sacrosanct" dogma doesn't seem to apply in the capital punishment debate.
[quote=councilof10 ]One thing I admire greatly about JRM is his clarity of thought and his eloquence and succinctness when discussing complex subjects.
Ah, so what you admire is his ability to see complex issues as black or white? Though you're probably being overly generous here, it doesn't appear he's put any thought at all into the process of simplifying things in that way, he's just relying on what the voices in is head are telling him.
....as opposed to?
Even the Pope wouldn't think abortion is unacceptable under any circumstances - JRM is an idiot.
Have I got this right?
Councilof10 is aka shibboleth (notorious troll-ban-return-troll-ban cycle)?
Ninfan is aka zulueleven (another repeat troll-ban type)?
Just for a bit of context and all that.......
I'm happy that Abortion is legal. The morals and ethics of it are clearly and obviously vague to anyone capable of giving it any sort of thought. why is a unborn at one point not a human being, when moments later it can be? I don't know and it's pretty much beyond my pay grade TBH. I'm more certain that the "viability" test that currently determines timing is a better system that "No, under no circumstances can you do this" and furthermore decided that that's the case solely by a gender and group of men that literally have no skin in the game.
+1.
Have I got this right?
Yep.
As a catholic with two kids, with said kids going to a catholic school full of families of a similar size of two, not 6-10 kids, I think it's fair to assume that most of 'the faithful' don't strictly adhere to the churches teachings on these matters 😀
He's a fundamentalist, basically
is clarity of thought and his eloquence and succinctness when discussing complex subjects.
I agree with the Pope is not what I call eloquent or complex though I do accept it is succinct.
As an example of "whataboutery" the vatican believed that moving paedophile priests to other areas was a satisfactory punishment rather than letting the courts decide their fate so would that mean the mogg automatically agreed with their decisions rather than formulate his own opinion?.
Binners and his "rhythm" stick - what a thought 😉
Ian Dury eat your heart out
I don't know if it's been posted already, but Suzanne Moore nails it in today's Guardian re Mogg
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/06/jacob-rees-mogg-isnt-old-fashioned-thoroughly-modern-bigot-suzanne-moore ]A Thoroughly Modern Bigot[/url]
nickc - Member
Have I got this right?
Yep.POSTED 56 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
Why is anyone getting riled up by such obvious trolls, then?
Corbyn's policies are mainstream social democratic politics, the sort of thing that wouldn't raise an eyebrow in much of Europe.
Leaving the EU (as per @out's post above) .. that's the "winner" by a country mile
Renationalising the railways
Decommissioning our nuclear deterrent (even super lefty France isn't proposing that)
National Investment Bank
Supporting Independence Referendums
JRM is an extremist.
No you would find JRM (should he ever bcome leader) not allowing personal views to impact overall Government policy. For example he would not seek to change the law on abortion, he wouod be well aware that the general public nor MPs share his personal view.
councilof10 - memberOne thing I admire greatly about JRM is his clarity of thought and his eloquence and succinctness when discussing complex subjects.
I missed this at the time but tell me in your own words, what do you think succinct means?
Binners and his "rhythm" stick - what a thought
Ian Dury eat your heart out
@tmh so much material, a lefty who needs to change his spots 🙂
Keep your silly ways or throw them out the window
The wisdom of your ways, I've been there and I know
Lots of other ways
How about (change straight for right) for win
Oi!
I want to be [s]straight[/s] right, I want to be [s]straight[/s] right
I'm sick and tired of taking drugs and staying up late.
I want to confirm, I want to conform
I want to be safe and I want to be snug and I want to be warm
I want to be [s]straight[/s]right, I want to be [s]straight[/s] right
I want to create a place of my own [s]in the[/s] and not rely on the welfare state
Brr, gonna be good, brr, gonna be kind
It might be a wrench but think of the stench I'm leaving behind
Supporting Independence Referendums
I thought you were all about democracy and the peoples will. Or does that only apply to "independence" referendums that you personally agree with.
As it was he was clear he was personally against it but unlike our glorious supreme leader wouldnt refuse to discuss it with the SNP.
Why is anyone getting riled up by such obvious trolls, then?
Because I haven't been on here for a while. Too busy working, reading and walking the dog.
Thanks to the gooduns for a good old natter.
[b] Mogmentum Member[/b] Your moggesty the time is right the latest polls show that you are a shoe in for party leader & PM, Finally you can assume your divine right as leader of the nation...
[b]JRM[/b]: I do rather like the sound of that!
[b]Mogmentum member[/b]: .... And steer the good ship Britannia through Brexit, your name forever associated with that glorious ascendence.
[b]JRM[/b]: Ah yes about that we may have oversold that one, just a pip.
[b]Mogmentum member:[/b] Well im sure that someone of your breeding & intellect will show those remoaners what's what
[b]JRM: [/b]Yes erm how about doing an interview then, something that the plebs will lap up, they watch television whilst eating their processed cereals yes, how about that?
[b]Mogmentum member: [/b] Excellent we will get you an interview with Piers Morgan, next to him you will seem even more charming.
[b]JRM:[/b] Oh yes him, well I suppose he is someone that might actually make me seem human. Would you get me the producers, I want to make sure they ask the right questions, of course.
[b]Mogmentum member: [/b]excellent, this is the day we've all been waiting for, soon you will be the Brexit PM!
[b]JRM[/b]: Yes I would have to say something really offensive, to prevent that, such as
'I don't believe women shouldn't have control over their own bodies or that homosexuals arent as deserving of rights as normal people'
....That would ensure that Theresa keeps hold of that particular chalice.
