Having this light hearted discussion 😁 in the my shop a fair bit with customers at the moment, not the starting with an earthquake, Birds and snakes, and aeroplanes type.
But the collapse of our westernised society as we know it.
With the current Political moves, war, plague, drought, environmental issues etc. Currently around the world - When do you think we'll see major disruption and shifts in the way humanity lives on planet earth?
Anyone got Odds on how long it stays light hearted for?
What changes in their lifestyles are your customers making to prepare for/mitigate against the problems they see coming?
What changes in their lifestyles are your customers making to prepare for/mitigate against the problems they see coming?
Literally none - Most of this is discussed with elderly newspaper buyers.....
Anyone got Odds on how long it stays light hearted for?
Paragraph 2 was a bit of a departure I think.
What changes in their lifestyles are your customers making to prepare for/mitigate against the problems they see coming?
He offers them [plastic free] solutions, offers them [plant based] alternatives and they decline.
We only have plastic free solutions where able & to be fair many now won't even use a paper bag for fruit and veg (but still drive a 4x4 and live in a house big enough for 10 families, holiday 3x a year etc)
I feel fine.
Plus ça change
I think thols2 sums it up 😂
Right?
nah, it'll be right. the last 25 years have been a bit special though, moving forward we wont get everything we want, whenever, for cheap, on demand.
For revolution to happen the common man has to have the basic necessities denied.
Food and water, housing, heating, clothing and security.
thols2 wins
moving forward we wont get everything we want, whenever, for cheap, on demand.
This would define Western society for me. But the question is, roughly when this would happen.....?
5/10/20/100 years etc
Given the UK went metric before I was born but people still insist in talking in inches and foots because it is easier* when measuring stuff I doubt there will be much change in the UK behaviour for a while.
*Since when did 10+10 = 1' 8" make things easier than 10+10=20 or 2+2 = 1 yard 1 foot easier than 2+2=4?
That's a surprise pineapple face if ever I saw one.
Those Insulate Britain people saw it coming before all of us.
If only there were cheap effective ways to save energy.
We are totally dependent on capitalism. As soon as the systems for delivery of food breaks down we're kucked.
And anyone who requires medicine for their daily life is also knackered.
I used to think we'd be extinct (along with most of the other species on the planet) within 500 years. Now I think we'd be lucky to make it through another 300. And the second half of the 300 will be pretty grim.
I think this article sums up where it went wrong
I was at the first Climate Camp, and we had a management team from northern Europe there who said they were over to persuade our government and the pump sites to be changed over to hydrogen cars. Said their factories were ready to roll. But, both the government and the oil companies here running the pump sites were unwilling to cough up to change the infrastructure.
True or not, there are a few things that don't get changed in life because rich people won't keep earning money anymore from their investments. You might start believing they are the ones preventing prompt changeover.
Literally none – Most of this is discussed with elderly newspaper buyers…..
Not a massive surprise. Boomers have the most entitled perspective of any group of folks I know. It's all going to hell in a hand cart, but it will be solved (to the benefit of them, obvs) by and is the fault of; someone else...
Living in a small cul de sac, it's clear to see the households who are really trying to make a difference. Some people in the road have been caring about the planet for years, some are finally making small changes, the rest don't give a flying fig, they will never change and no amount of educating them will make a difference.
I see it within my own family too. Most are really making changes and others just carry on with their life as they want, not thinking or future generations. No amount of hints or tips from me make any difference.
A good example is that everyone should have a water butt (this is possible). A relative said "oh but I've nowhere to put it", I'm actually getting worn out by the wonderful excuses people make for not helping the environment.
But the collapse of our westernised society as we know it.
Not from what I see. There are still many, many people with money to piss up the wall and not a care in the world.
Personally we're OK. Not rich, modest jobs, but mortgage free and some money in the bank. Thermostat will still be turned down when winter comes though.
& so we fall into lazy stereotypes
I think this article sums up where it went wrong
I think this is a More concise wiki link
A good example is that everyone should have a water butt (this is possible)
Why? What am I going to do with said water butt and its content?
In a thread that is literally itself a lazy rehash of every newspaper headline since oh about 1750, I think we can make allowances for a bit of typecasting
Theres too many people in the world for stereotypes not to be raised - the issues aren't a singular persons problems.
But the blame game, isn't why I started the thread, more to see if anyone would give a timeline.
So far we have one reply(in 30odd) that answers the question, when?
Things are changing and almost all of us aren't ready/prepared/willing for what changes are coming/needing done.
Yep water butts are a must if you have a hose pipe ban, grow your own fruit and veg, have a pond, a bird bath and a garden.
It's common sense to have one or more.
We used ours a few weeks ago for flushing the loo, (when there was a leak nearby), no water for a full Saturday. It's amazing how much water is needed to flush a loo :0)
Literally none – Most of this is discussed with elderly newspaper buyers…..
Not a massive surprise. Boomers have the most entitled perspective of any group of folks I know. It’s all going to hell in a hand cart, but it will be solved (to the benefit of them, obvs) by and is the fault of; someone else…
Where is the evidence for this?
Where is the evidence for this?
I follow #PoliticsJoe on twitter, he was interviewing a bunch of conservatives outside a husting event for Truss/Sunak, one of his interviewees literally said "I'm too old to start to do anything about climate change now" I'll see if I can dredge out the clip.
edit here you go, The very first words...
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1556667325545324545
Yep water butts are a must if you have a hose pipe ban
Don't really get this. If there's a hose pipe ban, it means there hasn't been any rain, so your water butt is empty.
If anywhere civil unrest will happen in America first. They've got loads of guns and loads of people dying to use them.
Personally I'm hoping aliens will come and save us.
We'll give you limitless energy technology if you give up weapons and destruction.
he was interviewing a bunch of conservatives outside a husting event for Truss/Sunak
Yep, that's a pretty representative sample!
So what? Here's a bloke who's had every advantage that the post war settlement could hand to him, and now here is is saying out loud to a stranger that he doesn't care for the future of the planet, he literally couldn't give a toss. I know the area that monkeyboy has his shop, and I will take odds that this chap's view isn't a million miles from his customers'
The idea is you're not using potable water to water plants all the time so hosepipe bans don't happen, duh
Yep water butts are a must if you have a hose pipe ban, grow your own fruit and veg, have a pond, a bird bath and a garden.
It’s common sense to have one or more.
Pretty much hasn't rained here for at least a month, and then again it's been pretty dry all year bar some epic storms, guess my butt would be pretty empty anyway.
But what percentage of the population of the UK 'boomers'? If the other 80% of the population are changing their ways then that's a good thing.
If we're doing the blame game, then why not blame the short-term thinking of politicians over decades. All parties only do what they need to do to stay in power.
Anyway - it's always the end of the world as we know it. The world today is far removed from the '70s I grew up in.
Yep water butts are a must if you have a hose pipe ban, grow your own fruit and veg, have a pond, a bird bath and a garden
You see i have all those things (the hose pipe ban being self imposed and year round) but the solution is to accept when it's not rained there isn't much water. The result is the garden is filled with things which do well in the weather we have rather than the weather we want, this year the lavender is doing very well as are the lilies, the camelia not so much. The grass is a bit brown (ding dong the moss is dead!) but the other stuff - what ever it is - is doing well in place.
Root veg, courgettes, squash, tomatoes, all fine, leafy stuff less so, the sweet corn is looking OK but I don't think it'll make it to fully ripe, masa it is. when the weather changes a bit I'll put the spinach and things in and they should take for winter.
That a hose pipe ban is a concern is a bit like thinking the problem with driving too much is the cost of fuel.
If everybody had a water butt it would put off the need for the hosepipe ban.
They are far from perfect in a very dry spell but in normal times save water.
Even with the minimal rain recently we have filled our water butts.(300 litres)
Boomers have the most entitled perspective of any group of folks
The thing is a fair few of them know have they've had it the best.
Talk to my Mum, mid-80's.
She's old enough to have experienced what it was like before the post-war consensus, and 'sane' enough to see what's happened since it was abandoned. It still protects folk like her (DB pensions, triple-lock state pension, insulated by assets) but she can see how it's been eroded constantly.
For her the absolute key policy was a cradle-to-grave NHS - and she can see that been eventually removed.
Her & my Dad were Labour voters right thru (middle class professionals), only recently moving over to the SNP - mainly as she can see that they're following the social democratic policies she's always supported (it was hard though, for someone English born & bred). Very pro-EU too.
I also remember my blue to the core Grandma realising in the early 2000's what the Tories had become, she swapped to the Libs.
