Back to my earlier comment, bearing in mind I have to physically go out of my way to hit the talk button on the centre of my quite old car's steering wheel, occasionally (once or twice a month) while listening to podcasts when driving my phone will respond to something said in the podcast as if it had been asked a question. This happens most often with The Rest Is History for some reason.
My phone is in the central console, plugged into Android Auto, my hands on the top half of the wheel, nowhere near any of the phone controls.
It is definitely listening.
My Missus hasn´t twigged just how terrible FaceBook is still and keeps exclaiming her suprise when some ad turns up in her feed for something she only mentioned in passing within earshot of her rectangle of distractions.
I´ve given up mansplaining just how Marky Mark Zuckalicious is mining her online activities for his own nefarious purposes, and I´d rather not explain all the ways Palantir could (and one day probably will) destroy her life. Perhaps ignorance really is bliss...
My phone is in the central console, plugged into Android Auto, my hands on the top half of the wheel, nowhere near any of the phone controls.
It is definitely listening.
Yes it's listening all the time for the trigger phase for whatever assistant your phone has. That's not what this thread is about.
If you really wish to find out if your phone/Alexa/google is listening to you then discuss ways of knocking off Zuckerberg/Theil/Andreessen/Karp/Musk and every other tech w-anchor, let us know if you eventually get a knock at the door
Don't be sorry for not comprehending basic written text. Many adults struggle.
Be sorry for being a relentless overbearing know it all bore forcefully and repetitively pushing your own personal views across as fact with rudeness and arrogance.
cougar actually knows a lot about this stuff
pushing your own personal views across as fact
This.
Unless anyone here actually has access to the codebase or design documentation of all the various apps
and/or wants to go and trawl through all of the ts and cs when you install the app and are asked to consent
And/or have 3rd party research into open sourced apps that proves it....
then this is all just speculation and personal observations. That applies to everyone posting here (including me)
Regarding the OPs Barkley Marathons example - this year’s event took place at the weekend. Many other people will have been searching for it, which means Google are more likely to suggest it to everyone, especially those who have an interest in outdoorsy stuff.
The tech companies know a lot about us and are pretty good a predicting what we and our friends are into. But there’s a confirmation bias here - probably hundreds of other topics will have been shown to you that didn’t match what you’ve been talking about. The Barkley marathons thing was a good, but lucky guess - many other guesses were made that didn’t chime with you
you could also not use Google. Use secure(ish) browsers and refuse cookies. I get very few adverts and no targetted ones
cougar actually knows a lot about this stuff
No. That's the thing. He really doesn't. He just has very strong opinions and likes to try and sound as if he knows more about certain subjects than others. Attempting to belittle anyone sharing their own personal experience if it doesn't align with his opinion. Even when he himself has no personal experience. Really isn't cool.
I'd doubt whether he has ever even used tiktok. Nevermind ever been a regular user. But he will no doubt still have an overbearing opinion of the platform.
A forum bore of the highest order.
Beg to differ. there is a huge differnce between extrapolating from a large knowledge base to an opinion plucked from the depth f the internet
This.I have people who work with me who have access to a lot of it. As alluded to up there, the 3rd party apps are the scary bits. Pretty much the wild west unless you lock the access/permissions down at device level.Unless anyone here actually has access to the codebase or design documentation of all the various apps
and/or wants to go and trawl through all of the ts and cs when you install the app and are asked to consent
And/or have 3rd party research into open sourced apps that proves it....
then this is all just speculation and personal observations. That applies to everyone posting here (including me)
Google, Alexa, Siri do not listen except for the trigger phrase, or anything that has the same sound as the trigger phrase. I can't call my kids one of their pet names as it sounds too much like "Hey Google". I also spent about 2 years working on the integration of Android Automotive, every time someone said the word "Google" on an audio call, the google nest in my office woke up...
I’m with Cougar
When i read up on this there are 2 simple repeatable experiments you can perform on this.
They both envolve setting up 2 identical phones in the same way.
Experiment one
One phone was left in a room for 24 hours with a taped conversation about cats playing. The other wasn’t. They then checked both phones for cat and pet adverts. No difference
The other involves one phone in a room with voices and the other and one in a quite environment and comparing the data upload rates. Again no difference
If a journalist could, in a weekend, could prove Apple was listening they would have a scoop
At my wedding i invited 2 female guests. They had both attended the same cambridge college for the same three years without meeting (that’s quite hard to do). They both loved horses. They both arrived with their rock climbing boy friends. They were both wearing dresses made from silk bought from the same shop in Kathmandu.
Brings a new meaning to “I think………. therefore I receive an Amazon delivery”
Be sorry for being a relentless overbearing know it all bore forcefully and repetitively pushing your own personal views across as fact with rudeness and arrogance.
Sez a free member, who’s only been on here for 18 months and has posted 156 times. I can’t say that I’ve ever seen any of your posts, but judging by the ones here, I haven’t missed much, you come across as an opinionated jackass who knows little about anything, unlike Cougar, whose background is very much in the areas we’re talking about.
Get back to us, son, when you’ve got an education.
Just to cheer you all up and round up some threads, more humans have been to the moon than have completed the Barkley Marathons
... if you believe what "they" all tell you
Get back to us, son, when you’ve got an education.
Patronising comment of the year award goes to........but you do have 33752 posts (swoon....) and I see you are a full member so perhaps we should only listen and read posts from such illuminati
No. That's the thing. He really doesn't. He just has very strong opinions and likes to try and sound as if he knows more about certain subjects than others. Attempting to belittle anyone sharing their own personal experience if it doesn't align with his opinion. Even when he himself has no personal experience. Really isn't cool.
I'd doubt whether he has ever even used tiktok. Nevermind ever been a regular user. But he will no doubt still have an overbearing opinion of the platform.
A forum bore of the highest order.
You say that like I'm wrong. 😁
I tend to be abrupt, I'll give you that. But when I don't know something for sure I do at least try to remember to say so. But there's only so many caveats and disclaimers I can add to every post and for some evidently it's still not enough.
On this particular topic though I do have a high degree of confidence given that I used to do it for a living.
Oh, and,
You're right, I've never been on TikTok, other than following the occasional link posted by others. I don't have an opinion on it - or rather, I don't have an informed opinion on it - because how could I on something I don't use? If you've been here long enough to form such an opinion of me then you'll see that I regularly push back on people running their mouth off about things they gave up being interested in 10-20 years ago.
My ill-informed opinion is that I've yet to see any short-form video service that makes me think "yeah, I want some of that" regardless of platform. The format seems to me to be a magnet for clickbait nonsense including on YouTube and I watch YouTube a lot. Again, I've spent a good degree of time arguing about content control vs delivery medium (which ultimately bit me on the arse when it comes to Twitter).
Quite what relevance that has to anything here I cannot fathom.
I'm not listening to you Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Going back to the OP, if no one has yet said it, that film is worth watching.
Anyway, we were told this week by IT at work that we must turn off smart speakers when working from home due to a risk of them picking up confidential information. All mine will pick up is a regular chant of "For ****s sake"
We are waiting for IT to confirm if this risk extends to work issued smart phones
I could wear it whilst drinking tea from my “If you think I’m awesome now wait until you see my speadsheet mug”
Pubs and Peanuts go together.
Just dont eat the ones free at the bar.
Not everyone washes their hands after visiting the toilet.
Going back to the OP, if no one has yet said it, that film is worth watching
Yes I watched it. Thanks to Mark Zuckerberg or whoever suggested it.
All mine will pick up is a regular chant of "For ****s sake"
🤣🤣🤣🤣 likewise
At the same time is your workplace encouraging the ‘use’ of ‘AI’ - LLMs?
I await the point where some leakage from ‘secure’ LLM instances to the general pool is identified.
I’m disappointed, I only seem to get the shit version of targeted advertising where when I buy something, ‘they’ bomb me with adverts and content for another one of that thing for weeks after.
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Anyway, we were told this week by IT at work that we must turn off smart speakers when working from home due to a risk of them picking up confidential information.
Yes we had that before I finished working, a colleague reported alexa or something picking up on a phone call she was having, we also had not being allowed to take some Chinese made vehicles to certain sites.
I was served up the berklay marathon video earlier this evening BEFORE reading this thread.
Anyone else had the same recomendation?
This will probably sound a bit tinfiol hatty, but tthe way things are ggoing it looks like business or some large conglomerates are poised to take over completely.
Information is the new gold. Your information, your friends, family, what they do, what they buy, what they want.
You enter any site these days and the whole cookie thing is not just a cookie to keep you linked to a site for ease of navigation, but now a case of you are signing up for them to create what they are calling a wallet.
Basically a file all about you, and as above everyone you've ever known.
Nobody really reads the t+c's though while for example the daily mail might say in their t+c's that you can opt out, or they dont information gather, you can bet your last quid that those 300 'trusted parties' certainly do.
The next bit is a little scary.
Reform are a company, and they want to run the country like a company,with them as CEO, and its not just reform, but even more so in the US.
Business is set to control your life. If you are ill or disabled, then the computer says no
We seem to be rapidly moving back towards the feudal system, but instead of kings, lords, barons etc, it will be some faceless company managers deciding whether you are a bad investment or not.
In the US, their medical system means some 1/4 of a million Americans go bankrupt each year because they cannot afford the costs to get better, and in many cases people are just sent home to die of whatever ails them, because they are no longer a safe investment.
Maybe we should take a leaf out of Putins book and start throwing unruly oligarchs out of high windows 🤣
This will probably sound a bit tinfiol hatty, but tthe way things are ggoing it looks like business or some large conglomerates are poised to take over completely.
Not at all, from birth to death we are sold out
Unless you live like my mates on 5 acres of Galloway scrub/hillside who live entirely off the grid.
As for your cookies?, if I can’t opt out entirely, including from the hidden vendor options - yes you stw - then I don’t bother with the website at all
Anyway, we were told this week by IT at work that we must turn off smart speakers when working from home due to a risk of them picking up confidential information. All mine will pick up is a regular chant of "For ****s sake"This is more dependent on the third party apps you have installed. Or saying something that has the same sound as the trigger phrase. As i've said before, working *with* android implementations and directly with google, the number of times my nest has woken up during a conference call is ridiculous. Until i moved it into another room!We are waiting for IT to confirm if this risk extends to work issued smart phones
At the same time is your workplace encouraging the ‘use’ of ‘AI’ - LLMs?
I await the point where some leakage from ‘secure’ LLM instances to the general pool is identified.
Because our corner of the workplace deals with sensitive R&D matters, we are only supposed to use the limited, internal only and fully secure version of CoPilot.
Because I am also distrustful of even that, I do my work the old fashioned way.
