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Listening to hom on the radio and either he is a great actor or dumber than dog dirt.
It has to be an act. He is just too perfectly idiotic to be a real moron.
He may have learning difficulties but doesn't have difficulty earning money.
bit of both id say. thick as sh1t anyway, but juuuust clever enough to realise that playing on it earns him more money.
bit of both id say. thick as sh1t anyway, but juuuust clever enough to realise that playing on it earns him more money.
or well managed
Joey Essex, the brand, is an invention.
Whether that was originally by the producers of TOWIE, or by him, who knows.
But it's him that comes out with the stupid comments (too stupid to be actually real)...I wonder if he's actually a marketing genius.
As is Karl Pilkington....they are characterizations of themselves.
I can't believe anyone that stupid has managed to survive! Must be an act.
You can't compare Joey Essex with Pilkington. Pilkington isn't thick, he has a view of the world that is different to most and has bizarre theories due to a lack of education. But unlike Joey Essex Pilkington is incredibly witty.
Tbh most of us would come across as dull at best infront of a camera.
Its an act. He owns about 30 patents in biosciences. He's a genius.
Listening to hom on the radio
If you were listening to him, he's clearly not dumb.
"dumb" means unable to speak. Please don't assume that people who are dumb are stupid.
I'm pretty sure he isn't a polymath with a string of qualifications hiding in the closet, but you cannot be quite so successful and be out and out thick. He may come across as naïve, and lacking in educational rigour, but there's a certain amount of smartness in there.
Should intelligence just be measured by erudite comments and academic excellence?
Just a mouth breathing pretty boy moron the world is full of them.
"dumb" means unable to speak. Please don't assume that people who are dumb are stupid.
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Act. Seen him on a couple of programmes and he has really struggled to come across as thick.
I thought being unable to speak was called mute!
Only reason was we had a student whose diagnosis was that she was an elective mute (she could speak to some people but not others). It made teaching the interesting!
Happy to be proven wrong though
Pilkington isn't thick, he has a view of the world that is different to most and has bizarre theories due to a lack of education.
Pilkington is an act. Following a planned script with that fat annoying twunt who was funny for about 6 weeks, 12 years ago.
Joey Essex is a bit thick and has learnt how to play on that. Still an act though.
If you were listening to him, he's clearly not dumb.
"dumb" means unable to speak. Please don't assume that people who are dumb are stupid.
You know... Words can have more than one meaning? Did you struggle to understand what he meant? 🙄
dumb (d?m)
adj. dumb·er, dumb·est
1.
a. Lacking the power of speech. Used of animals and inanimate objects.
b. Offensive Incapable of using speech; mute. Used of humans. See Usage Note at mute.
2. Temporarily speechless, as with shock or fear: I was dumb with disbelief.
3. Unwilling to speak; taciturn.
4. Not expressed or articulated in sounds or words: dumb resentment.
5. Nautical Not self-propelling.
6. Conspicuously unintelligent; stupid: dumb officials; a dumb decision.
7. Unintentional; haphazard: dumb luck.
Worth thinking what dumb down means as well in the context of "thick"
As for Joey I am completely unfamiliar with him in all respects and had never heard of him.
Pilkington is an act. Following a planned script with that fat annoying twunt who was funny for about 6 weeks, 12 years ago.
You Sir are generous.
Joey Essex is just badly educated but he knows how to play on it.
hes not the first or the last.. see Jade goody before him ..same mould different hair 🙂
You know... Words can have more than one meaning? Did you struggle to understand what he meant?
Of course I knew what he meant - I just don't think using words in a way that is offensive to people with a disability is acceptable, even on STW.
Its a word that means different things and none of them are offensive slang.
I agree with your point in general but not that this word has any offensive meaning - though being called dumb [ or stupid] may in itself be offensive.
not that this word has any offensive meaning
It's the association with stupidity that's offensive. I accept that it's common usage but that doesn't make it right. It leads people to expect that people who can't speak are stupid - which not true.
Its an act.
ah the clarkson defense
I'm glad there are no photos of him on this thread. That's so I can still honestly say that I wouldn't know who he was even if I tripped over him. Indifference is bliss.
It leads people to expect that people who can't speak are stupid
I dont think it does but I would defer to the views of someone who is dumb* on this issue as I would with chinky and **** and do as they advise.
* cannot speak
It leads people to expect that people who can't speak are stupid - which not true.
You've got it arse way around, the term Deaf and Dumb is the one that shouldn't be used.
It's the association with stupidity that's offensive.
I've heard people say the opposite, eg, that having a dumb waiter is a really clever idea. I can't imagine why. Specially if their vocabulary is limited.
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Of course I knew what he meant - I just don't think using words in a way that is offensive to people with a disability is acceptable, even on STW.
Using the word "dumb" to describe Mutism is what may be deemed offensive and unacceptable.
The way the op used it is fine (unless the target of the accusation is offended obviously)
He is reem...
Greybeard - Member
You know... Words can have more than one meaning? Did you struggle to understand what he meant?Of course I knew what he meant - I just don't think using words in a way that is offensive to people with a disability is acceptable, even on STW.
Ah, being 'offended on behalf of someone who isn't actually here' poster.
Daily Mail reader, are we?
Daily Mail.............?
Reader...........?
Nope, doesn't compute. Surely they just look at the pictures then carry on being bitter and paranoid without actually having to read it, don't they?
Or do they buy it thinking 'I wonder what outrages have been going on', then open it and think 'there, I knew it'?
I just think always using words in a way that is offensive to people who read the Daily Mail is acceptable, even on STW.
gobuchul - Member
Pilkington is an act. Following a planned script with that fat annoying twunt who was funny for about 6 weeks, 12 years ago.
Sorry to be OT, but have you heard the old xfm shows?
You've got it arse way around, the term Deaf and Dumb is the one that shouldn't be used.
by whom?
by whom?
Anyone who wanted to avoid using a long outdated term that is likely to cause offence.
Anyone who wanted to avoid using a long outdated term that is likely to cause offence.
But surely they are offended by the term due to its association with stupid and offensive use.
And if never had been used as such would not now be deemed offensive in its correct use, much like the word spastic,
And the changing of the name of the spastic society.
It's an act. if you are in doubt look up the youtube clip of him on celebrity juice where he 'thinks' Jesus's mother is called 'Zesus'
it's actually very funny, but no one is that stupid, are they?
I thought the correct term is mute now, not dumb.
But surely they are offended by the term due to its association with stupid and offensive use.
And if never had been used as such would not now be deemed offensive in its correct use, much like the word spastic,
And the changing of the name of the spastic society.
Not really no.
From nad.org :
Deaf and Dumb -- A relic from the medieval English era, this is the granddaddy of all negative labels pinned on deaf and hard of hearing people. The Greek philosopher, Aristotle, pronounced us “deaf and dumb,” because he felt that deaf people were incapable of being taught, of learning, and of reasoned thinking. To his way of thinking, if a person could not use his/her voice in the same way as hearing people, then there was no way that this person could develop cognitive abilities. (Source: Deaf Heritage, by Jack Gannon, 1980)In later years, “dumb” came to mean “silent.” This definition still persists, because that is how people see deaf people. The term is offensive to deaf and hard of hearing people for a number of reasons. One, deaf and hard of hearing people are by no means “silent” at all. They use sign language, lip-reading, vocalizations, and so on to communicate. Communication is not reserved for hearing people alone, and using one’s voice is not the only way to communicate. Two, “dumb” also has a second meaning: stupid. Deaf and hard of hearing people have encountered plenty of people who subscribe to the philosophy that if you cannot use your voice well, you don’t have much else “upstairs,” and have nothing going for you. Obviously, this is incorrect, ill-informed, and false. Deaf and hard of hearing people have repeatedly proved that they have much to contribute to the society at large.
I've no idea who Joey Essex is but he sounds like a cretin so I'll go with option 1.
I thought the correct term is mute now, not dumb.
No not mute either. How about just deaf or hard of hearing, given that just about every deaf person has the ability to speak. They may not chose to because they haven't learnt or they fear about how they sound.
by whom?
Well the Deaf Association for one asks, I'd listen to them myself.