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So it's been discussed on other threads that people in some parts of the country are unhappy that people from other countries are coming and putting pressure on their jobs.
What's the difference between that and me moving within the UK to look for a job?
You've got white skin.
And you subscribe to STW.
Do you mean moving to another country within the UK?
Or from one community to another?
Some clarification please.
What are your views on gay marriage molgrips? Do you think women and men are equal? Do you think there is any value in a secular western democratic society?
we all know people against the freedom of movement are, well, not right really, are they?
What's your favourite squid?
It depends.
How likely are you to hang out in the local council pool with a posse of your buddies and grope the local wimminz?
Do you mean moving to another country within the UK?
Doesn't matter. Could be Scotland to England, could be within England.
A minimum of several hundred years of shared culture.
Unless, of course, you are thinking of moving to Hartlepool.
molgrips - Member
So it's been discussed on other threads that people in some parts of the country are unhappy that people from other countries are coming and putting pressure on their jobs.What's the difference between that and me moving within the UK to look for a job?
Sorry I have to answer this before I go out.
If you moved down here, you will be left to you own devices and will be lucky to even get interview expenses, our local community new arrivals from external sources, get:
A case handler
A Translator
Head of the queue at our local surgery
Accommodation paid for and made available instantly
A car purchased to save taxi fares whilst job seeking.
That's the difference.
What's the difference between that and me moving within the UK to look for a job?
You don't get to bring your child bride.
My wife's an immigrant and didn't get any of that. You must live somewhere [i]really[/i] shit rosscore.
You are a British citizen and our priority should be to put our own citizens interests first.
What's weird is many Brits move abroad (in fact the same amount of people leave as they do enter this country)...also there was never a problem with Aussies and Kiwis here...although we did have an issue with black immigrants after the second world war..it's as if it's more to do with skin colour and religion..but then that would infer racism..but of course no one is racist in this country... so must just be a coincidence....
What's weird is many Brits move abroad (in fact the same amount of people leave as they do enter this country)..
Does that include people who retire to other countries to enjoy the weather? I'd love to see some evidence of anyone coming to the UK for that reason!
Unless you a relative of [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lady_of_Paviland ]This young lad [/url]
then you're probably an immigrant. Get over yourself
How exactly are people putting pressure on a job you're already in? Genuine question as I find this notion quite bizarre. I work with people from a vast array of different countries, ethnicities and religious beliefs. It's great and I get to learn about different cultures, countries and to sample baking from different places (it's mainly the baking that's great). I've never once felt my job is under threat.
If I were unemployed and looking for work maybe I'd feel differently, although I don't believe I would.
You are a British citizen and our priority should be to put our own citizens interests first.
Given that immigrants are generally better educated, have lower level of unemployment, and are net tax contributors, encouraging immigration should help everyone by boosting our economy, thus generating more tax revenue to pay for schools, NHS etc.
We need more immigration, not less.
Bloody imigrants coming over here stealing our jobs and claiming our benefits. 🙄
Parkesie, Schrodinger's immigrant? 😆
Yep, I'm one of them and on top of having a job, I also married one of your women.
Where do I sign up to all those extras benefits?
You are a British citizen and our priority should be to put our own citizens interests first.
And that required a Spanish medical team to help my ailing grandmother to be comfortable.
I am a European and my priority is to treat people equally.
You are a British citizen and our priority should be to put our own citizens interests first.
Indeed and FF made the correct response. Our interests are best served by freedom of movement. Sadly people have been misled and lied to in a shameful manner.
Given that immigrants are generally better educated, have lower level of unemployment, and are net tax contributors, encouraging immigration should help everyone by boosting our economy, thus generating more tax revenue to pay for schools, NHS etc.
Shouldn't the priority be to turn those already here into 'net tax contributors', rather than to top up the pot used to pay and service them?
how old do you think molly is ?A minimum of several hundred years of shared culture
People who say "look after our people first" never actually seem to do that; it's an excuse to treat others badly, it's never a motivation to treat anyone better. Whereas people who want to treat foreigners well mostly want to treat british people well too.
Weird, eh?
our local community new arrivals from external sources, get:
A case handler
A Translator
Head of the queue at our local surgery
Accommodation paid for and made available instantly
A car purchased to save taxi fares whilst job seeking.
Source and evidence or at least the name of the bloke down the pub who told you this crock
they get their own car is brilliant - WhoTF would fall for that shit?
How is Paris?You are a British citizen and our priority should be to put our own citizens interests first
OP the original question was a good one but this is going to just go over old ground
Given that immigrants are generally better educated, have lower level of unemployment, and are net tax contributors, encouraging immigration should help everyone by boosting our economy, thus generating more tax revenue to pay for schools, NHS etc.We need more immigration, not less.
Whatever the situation now with uncontrolled immigration it will be better with control and we can decide whether we need more immigration or not year to year rather than it be driven by the relative strength of our Economy to the EU
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if you trace back, you will find most of us have some immigrant blood in us, and not too far back.
on my mums side, her grandad was norwegian and my 2 elder sisters side, their great gran was from dublin.
have a look back and be amazed
Shouldn't the priority be to turn those already here into 'net tax contributors', rather than to top up the pot used to pay and service them?
The sooner we get free schooling for everyone, the better. There should be an even distribution of good teachers around the UK, unless they migrate within the UK to better schools more more pay and better prospects. Etc, etc.
How many times will you repeat that lie?Whatever the situation now with uncontrolled immigration
I've got bits of welsh and Irish in me - and that is just recent generations - I hope I can still stay here
You are a British citizen and our priority should be to put our own citizens interests first.
There is no such thing as British, there are individual men and women and there are families...
Your priority should be to put you and your family first. Why does it make any difference to you whether the bloke doing your plumbing is from Walsall or Warsaw?
Can we have a points based emigration system. I.e. If you don't get enough you get to leave...
Whatever the situation now with uncontrolled immigration
Could you point me in the direction of some facts to support this, please?
Many of the migrant medics, who I work with, that are trying to work in the UK would love to be able to circumvent the hoops that they currently have to jump through to get in.
Are you saying that you honestly believe that this is true?
I've got bits of welsh and Irish in me
A threesome? Kinky
A random thought: within first 16-20 years of one's life, lots of things are free (education, etc.) with not much value being added to the country (as no taxes are being paid, apart from VAT from goods). An immigrant coming to the country contributes to the economy straight away with fewer benefits and guarantees he/she can access to.
How exactly are people putting pressure on a job you're already in? Genuine question as I find this notion quite bizarre.
If you're a builder and charge £50 per hour (number picked at random, no idea what builders charge) and other come in and charge £25 per hour you're going to be annoyed.
My view is that, for the wider country, immigration is a good thing. But I can also see why the above person would be annoyed.
Immigration wouldn't be made such an issue by right wing nut jobs and Brexiteers if we actually got our education system sorted. We don't just import low skilled immigrants, we also import high qualified/skilled immigrants as well(not just from the EU).
I'm not talking about idiot idea's like free schools and Grammar schools, but:
1: Government responsibility = better education and free university places,
2:Government responsibility = Target area's that need PROPER regeneration, not keep on ignoring because the voters there don't vote for you, none of that Northern powerhouse rubbish.
3: Businesses responsibility = apprenticeships and investment in training rather than buying in skills from elsewhere on the globe.
I don't think there is an easy way of getting rid of racists(other than shooting them of course) number three is slowly being realised while number one, education, we are in complete denial over.
The problems lie here, not with the EU. Perhaps if we get this sorted, we can still have free movement and the brexiteers will have to fall back on the real reason they want to leave: Want to play in the club, but not follow the rules of the club.
Shouldn't the priority be to turn those already here into 'net tax contributors', rather than to top up the pot used to pay and service them?
You can do both, but if industry needs more people with skills x & y, and we have a surplus of z, you need to recruit from overseas until you can bridge the skills gap (if possible). Ultimately we are no longer a low skill manufacturing based economy and never will be again, so there is going to be a chunk of the indigenous population whose low skills are surplus to requirements and thus UK PLC needs to rely on highly skilled immigrants to grow the economy.
That doesn't mean you have to let the low skilled brits rot, but they're not going to be at the cutting edge of our high tech industries and never will be. Finding something useful for them to do is an issue in itself.
Good answer lunge, but surely the price is dictated by the market and if the job can be done for £25 then that's the cost of the job. Is the builder charging £50 for the work doing the job to a higher standard or simply funding a lifestyle that they have chosen? Not saying one answer is right or wrong, just interested in all aspects.
A case handler
A Translator
Head of the queue at our local surgery
Accommodation paid for and made available instantly
A car purchased to save taxi fares whilst job seeking.
I think that's asylum seekers. That's different. They get those things (except the car ffs) because they are desperate refugees and need help.
I'm talking about economic migrants from within the EU. Those who just decide to up sticks and move somewhere, as I could do within the UK.
aracer - Member
I've got bits of welsh and Irish in me
A threesome? Kinky
Didn't stop there I married a foreigner - a northern lass 😉