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[i]Foods with a high index are rapidly digested and result in high fluctuations in blood sugar levels. Foods with a low glycemic index produce gradual rises in blood sugar and insulin levels and [b]are considered healthier[/b][/i]
the electric eel is a myth made up by creationists to try and prove evolution jamie. DUH.
how many fish does it take to cross the road?
none, fish dont cross the road, remember to look both ways when crossing the road guys, it might save your life one day x
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A nice article lacking in examples of real food, Solo. Apart from almonds (which are present in my Müseli), what examples of suitable breakfast foods does it give?
Edukator - Member
I get on fine with müesli (we're not talking Alpen here), Cap, if you have problems with müesli try toast or pancakes; grains in a more refined form with less fibre. Wash them down with grape juice rather than orange juice. If you have problems with müesli I'd be very surprised if you got on with lentils and fatty sausage for breakfast.
When did this become about my gut? You're the one who can't digest lentils without needing a toilet nearby for the next day and a half.
I'll ask again... assuming your gut can cop, why is glycogen from muesli better than glycogen from lentils when preparing for a race?
edit - what else is in your muesli? Wouldn't it be amusing if it was low GI!
[i]squabbling[/i]
Squabble.
That word has always amused me.
I know, I've a teeny, tiny, mind.
Since you wrote this, Captjon.Whereas muesli has similar properties to Imodium.
Can we get back to talking about real food please?
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[i]A nice article lacking in examples of real food, Solo. Apart from almonds (which are present in my Müseli), what examples of suitable breakfast foods does it give?[/i]
Are they Low GI almonds...
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Ah !, so you are selectively reading some of the links posted.
No mention about how low GI is considered healthier then...
Ok, grains. Bread, pasta, made from wheat flour.
Phytate.
Found in processed grain.
Nondigestible Carbohydrates and Mineral Bioavailability
[i]Generally, ?ber and compounds associated with ?ber [b]in cereal products[/b] (e.g., phytates) have been
found to [b]reduce the apparent absorption of minerals[/b] (such as calcium, magnesium, zinc and manganese) in
humans[/i]
Edukator - Member
Whereas muesli has similar properties to Imodium.
Since you wrote this, Captjon.
OK. Muesli keeps me regular, and lentils keep you within a certain distance of a toilet. It appears you're saying that food affects people differently. Is that correct?
And again, why is your muesli created glycogen better than my lentil created glycogen?
My Müsli contains those grains iDave excludes whatever its G value.
iDave is the one distorting the normal view of high glycemie foods by including things normally considered low G such as grains. Oats are noramlly considered low G and excellent breakfast food but iDave excludes grains. Whole wheat bread is also considered low G by most people. Spaghetti is also considered low G by most people.
I fail to see why iDave excludes carbs that have a lower G than for example the parsnip which is very much a vegetable.
is it possiby because, as mentioned several times, its not a low GI plan, its a plan designed to take better control of the insulemic response?
sometimes i forget that not everyone is as clever as me, but then i read threads like this.
iGenius.
Wow - Jamie - man has evolved further than I ever imagined.
My müesli isn't better or worse than lentils so why does iDave exclude grains, bread, pasta... ? Which would you rather eat, spaghetti or red lentils? Which is most likely to give you the runs in a triathlon?
In terms of G my spaghetti and müesli, and his red lentils are within 10% of each other.
Why exclude perfectly good carbs?
is it possiby because, as mentioned several times, its not a low GI plan, its a plan designed to take better control of the insulemic response?
Same thing, Shirley?
"The glycemic index, glycaemic index, or GI is a measure of the effects of carbohydrates in food on blood sugar levels."
- [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index ]WikiWikiWahWah[/url]
Wow - Jamie - man has evolved further than I ever imagined.
Indeed.
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Edukator - I reckon all those carbs are doing something... re-read all PhilConsequences posts... I reckon he might say something that could help you out.
This really is the thread that keeps on giving - thank you STWers 🙂
p.s. Jamie that is making me drool, even as a non-meat eater!
EDIT: not so much the gelatenous alien foetus in a can, however a tinned PB&J buttie 😀
[i]My Müsli contains those grains iDave excludes whatever its G value. [/i]
Ed, I think you're starting to bleed abit.
Selective reading again, tut, tut !.
Be a nice Troll and answer Capt J's Q
[s]After all, you did issue an ultimatum to others to answer your questions.[/s]
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Finally repsonded then.
Answers Q, with a Q though.....
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shut up jamie, i've had enough of your tomfoolery.
glycemic is a [b][u]different[/b][/u] word than insulemic DUH! so why does iDave keep telling me that i can't eat meusli if its the [b][u]same[/b][/u] as beans?!
is it possiby because, as mentioned several times, its not a low GI plan, its a plan designed to take better control of the insulemic response?
Think about that. Insulin reponds to blood sugar which is a function of the GI of the food you eat.
iDave is excluding carbs that are low G because they are high G. Go figure.
shut up jamie, i've had enough of your tomfoolery.glycemic is a different word than insulemic DUH! so why does iDave keep telling me that i can't eat meusli if its the same as beans?!
That's like saying monkey is a different word to wobble.
Check. Mate.
The low GI is only part of the picture. The diet is also aimed at cutting out grains, not for any insulin response reasons. I suspect you're view of the diet is based on eaves-dropping a few STW threads rather than any actual knowledge. You'll find quite a few pro teams greatly reducing grains in the riders diets and many riders are totally gluten free. You'll have seen a few in the last stages of Tour of Flanders yesterday.
My issue with your input Edukator, is that you can't see that perhaps your ideas may not be best practice, they're just purely based on the fact that you're lean and you read stuff once.
The info the French Olympic team produced, is similar to the crap I used to peddle because it was at the time what we believed to be correct. Some people are able to look for evidence to form an opinion, rather than to back up their opinion.
I even included info in 3 books and dozens of articles that I believe to have been way off the mark.
And I have also known what it's like to have to lose weight. I've been 3.5 stone heavier than I am now.
[i> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index
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Whoa !, check out white bread (carbohydrate rich).
Wunundred !
iDave - Member
My issue with your input Edukator, is that you can't see that perhaps your ideas may not be best practice, they're just purely based on the fact that you're lean and you read stuff once.
I've been waiting for this...
He is a geologist, iDave, he likes things set in stone.
Solo - Member
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index
/p>Whoa !, check out white bread (carbohydrate rich).
Wunundred !
look at porridge:
GI - 60
II - 40
[i]He is a geologist, iDave, he likes things set in stone. [/i]
Bawdish !
I'm so proud of that i might go and buy some cheesecake.
Capt.
Ed's favourite shop is the bakery.
He thinks we should all be shopping there.
[i]I'm so proud of that i might go and buy some cheesecake. [/i]
I thought it was a good joke, actually.
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Again, it's not only about the GI but limiting grains. So some food that seems low GI is rules out as we haven't quite evolved enough to digest it with some issues. Ed being an exception.
My view is based on years of reading the literature on the chocalate factory shelves, Sport et Vie, and the scientific press.
Just what is wrong with grains, bread, pasta and mûesli with GIs in the 30-50 range?
Most people aren't diabetic, most people don't have gluten tolerance problems, most people aren't doped and in need of some justification of their miraculous performances to fob the journalists off with.
It's my Shamal wheels, guv.
I've lost 5kg since before my cancer, guv.
All these young riders are dropping dead with heat failure because they are training with colds, guv.
I'm over 50 because I've slept in a nitrogen tent, guv. (or spent two weeks at altitude).
It's down to my scandinavian/paleo/high carb/low fat/iDave diet, guv.
Why is what you peddle now any less crap than "the crap I used to peddle"? It's just another fad.
My view is based on years of reading the literature on the chocalate factory shelves,
Willy Wonka telling us to eat chocolate... well I never.
Again, it's not only about the GI but limiting grains. So some food that seems low GI is rules out as we haven't quite evolved enough to digest it with some issues
Now if you start using paleodiet reasoning then lentils are the last thing to eat. Man has been eating grains in large quantities since the end of the last ice age. Lentils have never been a major part of man's diet and we have never eveolved to eat large quantites of the things.
If this was the movies, Dave and Edukator would fall into each others arms and have a little kiss in a mo.
and the scientific press.
So you're ok with scientific press until it starts to suggest something you disagree with?
Your comments about excuses to cover drug use suggest you're actually not mentally capable of discussing this rationally.
Why is what you peddle now any less crap than "the crap I used to peddle"?
Because there is a weight of evidence discrediting what I had previously believed. You know 'evidence', that thing that helps us form rather than support opinions.
The low GI is only part of the picture. The diet is also aimed at cutting out grains, not for any insulin response reasons.
Now I'm confused, if not for insulin response reasons then how does it help with weight loss (as opposed to general health)?
I had a look at the earlier link someone posted to MDA ( http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#axzz1qsFzp8cu ) and it seems to imply that "carbohydrates elicit a physiological response that favors fat storage." But the idiet isn't supposed to be low carb either?
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No cheesecake in canteen
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Reading lots means you make a sythesis in your head. You identify the concesus, outliers and trends, and fads. Racing myself means I've tested a few approaches.
you're actually not mentally capable of discussing rationally.
Down to insulting my mental ability now. Desperate.
Now I'm confused, if not for insulin response reasons then how does it help with weight loss (as opposed to general health)?
I assumed that general health would be welcomed. Plenty of feedback from iDave dieters is that they not only lose weight but feel healthier, have lower BP, cholesterol, reduced eczema/asthma and so on.
Linking the iDave diet to covers for avoiding accusations of doping by journalists seems a little more desperate Ed.
look at how GOD DAMN SEXY he is dave, why would you insult such a fine example of a man?
edukator, do you really race yourself? i hear you can go blind if you do it too much!
why did the fish race himself?
because he ate muesli and was able to without needing the toilet too often. and remember that folks, it might save your life some day x