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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30709297
More or less what I've been saying for ages - we're all different 🙂
And yet... Calories Out > Calories In still works! 😉
I never said it didn't...
The article implies that the differences are purely psychological though, not physiological (although perhaps that was your assertion as well? I can't remember!)More or less what I've been saying for ages - we're all different
It then contradicts itself by saying "it's not all willpower" but then goes on to list various "tricks" for overcoming the lack of willpower!
FWIW I agree with it although it's surely not an earth-shattering discovery that different people will get on better with different eating patterns? For example I've never been able to do 5:2 as I just can't hack the "2" days (although I know lots of people for whom it has worked). Much prefer the iDiet approach as it doesn't involve calorie counting or portion control!
cant eat yourself fit
Weight and fitness are 2 very seperate issues though. And I would suggest that most people who are extremely fit pay careful attention to their diet.cant eat yourself fit
[i]cant eat yourself fit [/i]
No, but more time spent in the kitchen could mean you eat healthier.
cant exercise yourself thincant eat yourself fit
The article implies that the differences are purely psychological though
Not purely, no:
"Some people have astonishingly low levels of certain gut hormones and are not getting those [fullness] signals,"
Scientists know certain genes make people this hungry. They disrupt the way signals are sent to the brain telling it to stop eating, tricking it into thinking fat stores continually need replenishing.
It says that levels of and responses to different hormones vary a lot in different people. So it's a combination of factors meaning that what works for some people doesn't work for others.
FWIW I agree with it although it's surely not an earth-shattering discovery that different people will get on better with different eating patterns?
Well no, but the way some people go on you'd think it was simple...
i think Viz covered this last week too.
More or less what I've been saying for ages - we're all different
And yet... Calories Out > Calories In still works!
I never said it didn't...
And we're off. 😀
Im fit, dont do diets. Why? They are short term. If you want to become slimmer you need to make life style changes. They can be small but work over the long term. Build up to long term benfit without the crash and burn of the latest fad diet. Life style includes other changes not just food and exercise - cycle to work, walk to the shops, sleep, avoid stress, etc etc
Obviously you don't need to diet if you aren't overweight. 🙄Im fit, dont do diets.
Diets are for people who have let themselves go but want to do something about it. Hopefully they make the lifestyle changes too, but who wouldn't want to see positive changes in 3 months rather than 3 years?
Im fit, dont do diets. Why? They are short term.
Why are they short term?
A diet doesn't have to mean a 3 month fad - it can be a permanent adjustment of your food intake (i.e. your diet)
[i]Forget the latest weight-loss fad[/i]
Genometrics, anyone?.....
[i]"The role genes play in losing weight is unequivocal, but due to changes in technology we are beginning to find out what these genes are,"[/i] [b]Um, the genes responsible for producing the levels of hormones required for body fat creation and regulation.[/b]
My emphasis.
Does anyone else get fed up with the dumb-down, half truth, contradictions, in reports such as this?
[i]Scientists say this isn't just down to a lack of willpower. It is due to a person's individual make-up - their genes, hormones and psychology. [/i]
Um..
[i]deadlydarcy - Member
Though, I do appear to have enough not to have got to that stage in the first place. [/i]
[i]Feasters need a diet that makes them feel full for as long as possible. Scientists suggested a high protein, low glycaemia index (GI) diet. These are foods that boost gut [b]hormone signals[/b] and include fish, chicken, basmati rice, lentils, grains and cereals. No potatoes or bread because they don't make people feel full for very long.[/i]
Soooo, that would be manipulating the diet, to influence the hormonal balance. [b]Yes, thats right folks, [u]eating certain foods[/u], effects hormone levels, over time[/b]. No mention of calorie counting there, btw.
😉
[i]"Constant cravers have the toughest job as they have a strong predisposition to being overweight," says Jebb. "The fasting diet should shock their bodies into burning fat."[/i]
So again, the strategy is to change the metabolic performance of an individual, via their diet, but then contradicts by referring to caloric restriction as the solution. Ummmm......
[i]The study also put to the test popular beliefs about the effect of exercise and people's metabolic rate when it comes to dieting, busting one dieting myth.
It found exercise can help people lose weight, but there is a catch. Often they are less active afterwards, negating much of the hard work they have done. The most effective way to lose weight is nearly always to change your diet, say the scientists.[/i]
Oh dear, what was that about calories in, cals out? and notice no mention about how exercise increases post activity hunger...
[i]The three groups were challenged to lose 5% of their body mass - in fact, they lost 8%[/i]
Was that fat loss only though!
[i]It is still early days for the science of personalised diets but there is huge potential is for this approach, say the experts.[/i]
Keerrrrr-Ching!
Im fit, dont do diets. Why? They are short term.
I'm fat, do do diets. why? they work long term for some people.
Im fit, dont do diets. Why? They are short term
strange, as im permanently on a diet. Mine is not adjusted to lead to weight loss however.
I'm fat, do do diets.
they work long term for some people.
error. does not compute...
"Diet" doens't mean fad crash diet.
I have included the principles of iDiet into my lifestyle. I choose low GI things, I don't eat a lot of fruit.
[i]Constant cravers always want to eat and their "hungry brains" often want fatty and sugary foods. Scientists know certain genes make people this hungry. They disrupt the way signals are sent to the brain telling it to stop eating, tricking it into thinking fat stores continually need replenishing.[/i]
This is a symptom of metabolic syndrome, where the fat regulation feedback loop has been degraded. Research has shown this occurs when folk [i]enjoy[/i] a high carb diet. One degraded response can be the sensitivity of Leptin receptors in the brain, as one example.
[i]Well no, but the way some people go on you'd think it was simple...[/i]
What, like exercising some self control and counting calories?
Well, that is [i]simple[/i]...
Yes - does the hormone profile follow the diet, or does the diet follow the hormone profile?
Bit of both I reckon.
More or less what I've been saying for ages - we're all different
I'm not.
But what the article does say is that the reason for weight gain is the amount of calories being eaten. Whether or not this excess intake has hormonal, genetic , psychological or whatever cause doesn't change the basic energy in/energy out calculation.
[i] molgrips - Member
Yes - does the hormone profile follow the diet, or does the diet follow the hormone profile?
Bit of both I reckon. [/i]
And for everyone else here, that's Molgripsese for "[i]I don't really know[/i]"
[i]I'm not. [/i]
😆
[i] imnotverygood - Member
But what the article does say is that the reason for weight gain is the amount of calories being eaten. Whether or not this excess intake has hormonal, genetic , psychological or whatever cause doesn't change the basic energy in/energy out calculation[/i]
No, that's not what the articles reports. The article refers to how gene expression, which alters hormone levels in the body. Is responsible for body fat creation and accumulation.
Hence why those Oxford types want the cash to create your individualized customized diet, matched to your genetic profile...
error. does not compute...
I meant like I have a tendancy to be fat.....not that I am at present.
I ride far too many miles to be fat now.
I think fat and fit is the way to go. eat loads, drink loads and ride loads and loads......... 8)
I read that, found myself on the low end of the 'healthy' BMI and didn't go much further 😉 Something that I did find tangetially interesting tho is apps such as MFP are pretty much calorie focussed (sure they do some breakdowns but it's all still against a target) and is that a bit simplistic?
Example: yesterday went for a very long ride, 6 hours in the saddle on the MTB, working pretty hard. Average HR of over 135. According to my - supposedly accurate - HRM (Suuntu) that burned 3600 calories or 600/hour. Obviously I took that to mean I could essentially open the fridge, start eating and stop at the light 😉
I know there's stuff about best food to eat post exercise and, of course, I know not to eat loads of crap food at anytime, but is the move about more, eat less really 90% calories and 10% other stuff?
Are we talking about the same bbc article? I can't find anything in it which refers to anything other than the role hormones/genes play in increasing the amount of calories you want to eat.
Are we talking about the same bbc article? I can't find anything in it which refers to anything other than the role hormones/genes play in increasing the amount of calories you want to eat.
That's what I thought.
[i] imnotverygood - Member
Are we talking about the same bbc article?[/i]
Try looking at it this way. Humans, like most living things which feed. Have a feeding shut off mechanism, typically controlled by hormones as so many of the body's functions are.
So, excessive caloric intake is not the cause of excess body fat, but the result of incorrect hormone activity/production. We are coming to see that diets in Humans, which include high amounts of carbohydrates, can interfere with hormone sensitivity and subsequently, hormone production. Resulting in abnormal eating behaviours and energy storage in the form of body fat. Which then leads to the ills of the obese.
[i]That's what I thought. [/i]
So a few people appear to have missed the part about low GI, for example.
Here:
[i]Feasters need a diet that makes them feel full for as long as possible. Scientists suggested a high protein, low glycaemia index (GI) diet. These are foods that boost gut [b]hormone signals[/b] and include fish, chicken, basmati rice, lentils, grains and cereals. No potatoes or bread because they don't make people feel full for very long.[/i]
The "scientists" are telling you that certain foods, alter the resultant hormonal environment. Which in turn either stops you eating or drives you to eat more. Its a result of the hormones in play for the role of eating.
When you feel full. That isn't you having a stomach on the verge of splitting. Its a hormonal response which results in you stopping, eating. Get it?
Humans, like most living things which feed. Have a feeding shut off mechanism, typically controlled by hormones as so many of the body's functions are
Can someone please synthesize this hormone so I can make myself feel full. Self control is way too hard.
<Goes to buy Boost>
Solo - The ariticle was way more than "hormones innit, simple"
It also flagged the role of habbit in certain types. Habbit is very powerful.
Anyway I'm bored, time to go get a twix.
[i] jfletch - Member
Humans, like most living things which feed. Have a feeding shut off mechanism, typically controlled by hormones as so many of the body's functions are
Can someone please synthesize this hormone so I can make myself feel full. Self control is way too hard.
<Goes to buy Boost> [/i]
Thats the aim, Genometrics will allow those who wish, to follow the research being carried, like at Oxford. Then administer whatever synthetic hormone the subject may be deficient in. So as to correct excessive body fat. However, as others have mentioned. Being thinner doesn't make you healthy and of course. It's not that much of a stretch of the imagination (only suitable applicants may apply) to see a future where people then exploit this information to achieve silly-low body fat percentages, etc.
No need. It can be found in pies.Can someone please synthesize this hormone so I can make myself feel full.
Something that I did find tangetially interesting tho is apps such as MFP are pretty much calorie focussed (sure they do some breakdowns but it's all still against a target) and is that a bit simplistic?
Very - but having to enter the data for that Mars Bar you shouldn't have eaten is off-putting, and stops you from buying it in the first place.
[i] jfletch - Member
Solo - The ariticle was way more than "hormones innit, simple"[/i]
It would look that way, but as this and so many discussion on this subject, appear to have illustrated. It seems that very few people consider hormonal responses when looking at eating behaviour, Instead just relying on the flawed model of gluttony and sloth to explain the issue of excess body fat in a person.
Edit:
[i]Very - but having to enter the data for that Mars Bar you shouldn't
have eaten is off-putting, and stops you from buying it in the first place. [/i]
So that's how MFP works! Goodness, it only took me a couple of years to see that.
I took the test and it confirmed what I knew - I'm a feaster. What it doesn't explain is why I can overeat and not gain weight.
The "scientists" are telling you that certain foods, alter the resultant hormonal environment. Which in turn either stops you eating or drives you to eat more. Its a result of the hormones in play for the role of eating.
When you feel full. That isn't you having a stomach on the verge of splitting. Its a hormonal response which results in you stopping, eating. Get it?
Errr yes. Isn't that what I wrote? What makes you fat is the the result of an imbalance between the calories you consume and the calories you use. The reason why you eat too many calories may be the result of a number of physiological/psychological factors.
I took the test and it confirmed what I knew. I'm an emotionless, feasting constant craver.
just done the test........feaster, like I didn't know.
food I should be eating, high protein and low gi, like I didn't know.. 😀
[i] imnotverygood - Member
Errr yes. Isn't that what I wrote? What makes you fat is the the result of an imbalance between the calories you consume and the calories you use. The reason why you eat too many calories may be the result of a number of physiological/psychological factors. [/i]
You actually posted:
[i]But what the article does say is that the reason for weight gain is the amount of calories being eaten. Whether or not this excess intake has hormonal, genetic , psychological or whatever cause [b]doesn't change the basic energy in/energy out calculation. [/b][/i]
However, I now refer you to:
[i] miketually - Member
I took the test and it confirmed what I knew - I'm a feaster. What it doesn't explain is why [b]I can overeat and not gain weight.[/b] [/i]
What makes you fat is the the result of an imbalance between the calories you consume and the calories you use.
Not quite. The imbalance between the calories YOUR BODY STORES and the calories it uses up.
Not all the calories you eat get stored.
...apps such as MFP are pretty much calorie focussed (sure they do some breakdowns but it's all still against a target) and is that a bit simplistic?
Yes it is. And a large number of people still find it "too confusing"!
"Calories Out > Calories In" is obviously an imprecise and simplified model - but it is [i]good enough[/i] and works.
Edit:
...having to enter the data for that Mars Bar you shouldn't have eaten is off-putting, and stops you from buying it in the first place.
This is also very true. If you log it all honestly then it prevents [i]secret[/i] or [i]unconscious[/i] eating.
I'm 'not in any diet category'.
Does that mean I win?