[Closed] How much are you prepared to pay to retain EU Citizenship?

Zilch, that's what.

Yep I'd have no problem paying

We have to pay a few thousand to employ non eu scientists in visa fees, it's stretching already tight budgets (sterling crash is already hurting enough as it is)

That's a one off fee though, still an annual sub would be great.
It would be a huge benefit to those that could afford it.
Unfair on those who couldn't though, Brexit is already driving a wedge through the country, id want it for my kids though.

[i]It only costs us £130.00 (per year) per head at the moment, so Jamba is way off the mark. [/i]

Not the first time...

For me, £100 pa is a no brainer - a bit like voting Remain was a no brainer.

[I]It would be a huge benefit to those that could afford it.
Unfair on those who couldn't though, Brexit[/I]

£2 a week? Shouldn't be anyone that couldn't afford it (if they really wanted to).

Jayne Adye, director of the Get Britain Out campaign, told The Independent: “This is an outrage. The EU is now attempting to divide the great British public at the exact moment we need unity.

“It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws, which are created by politicians who are not accountable for the British people as a whole.”

She either a) didn't think that through, b) is a bit thick, or c) is making things up for effect.

And people wonder why we think Brexies are (generally) not the brightest.

Or to go into analogy mode, having run the good ship Britain into the iceberg, the Brexiteers are now complaining about dodgy foreign ships offering to pick up survivors.

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I'd pay about 1p in every pound of my tax. Curiously this is about the same as I currently pay.

Even if I got no other benefit than watching DM readers go bright red with indignation, it would be easily worth £100 pa.

It'll be interesting if the country is made up of a mix of "British" and "European" citizens. How's that going to work? Different laws for different folks?

I'd imagine so, yes.

mefty - Member
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is Brexit going to take us back to pre-decimilisation as well as imperial measurements, newspaper fish n chip wrappers and saucy postcards instead of youporn.com ?

Just over a tenner a month to piss off the 'kippers?

Bargain!

I doubt EU will let you buy your way back into EU with your 100 quid or so monthly fees etc tbh.

I mean how degrading that is for the EU bureaucrats to be valued at the worth of 100 quid or so by their supporters, it makes the EU looks like a giant parasite with those sort of payment. Some of you even suggested free or a tenner etc ... 😆

I bet the EU bureaucrats are so very angry now with BritLand I doubt they will be able to distinguish the remainders from the rest of us.

To the EU bureaucrats you are(part of) us now.

I mean how degrading that is for the EU bureaucrats to be valued at the worth of 100 quid or so by their supporters,

a) its about what we all pay at the moment anyway

b) it was the chief EU bureaucrat negotiator that came up with the idea (as much to piss off whingy old brexiters im sure 😉 )

but keep em coming

I doubt EU will let you buy your way back into EU with your 100 quid or so monthly fees etc tbh.

Some of you even suggested free or a tenner etc ...

I bet the EU bureaucrats are so very angry now with BritLand and I doubt they will be able to distinguish the remainders from the rest of us. To the EU bureaucrats you are part of us now.

I'd pay more than £100. Cheap at the price!

kimbers - Member

I mean how degrading that is for the EU bureaucrats to be valued at the worth of 100 quid or so by their supporters,

a) its about what we all pay at the moment anyway

b) it was the chief EU bureaucrat negotiator that came up with the idea
but keep em coming

Honest question...if were out of the EU what's the point in paying for EU citizenship? Totally understand the logic if you work/live over there, or visit frequently. But assuming it's just heading over for the odd holiday?

Whole thing seems a complete mess.

captainsasquatch - Member
That's why I'll happily pay another £100 on top to ensure that the brexiters aren't tempted to be hypocritical.

dalesjoe - Member
Honest question...if were out of the EU what's the point in paying for EU citizenship? Totally understand the logic if you work/live over there, or visit frequently. But assuming it's just heading over for the odd holiday?

Whole thing seems a complete mess.

Honest question...if were out of the EU what's the point in paying for EU citizenship? Totally understand the logic if you work/live over there, or visit frequently. But assuming it's just heading over for the odd holiday?

support something we believe in
can we keep our E111 too?
visa free travel and work, lets be honest skiing/mtbing etc is better in europe, we collaborate with labs in France and Germany so it'd be great for researchers.
avoid tedious passport queues
tax benifits of duty free etc?
how much to piss off brexiters? ................. its like barclaycard 😉

Whole thing seems a complete mess.

Yeaa, the question is not about paying more than £100 but the actual maximum the EU can harvest from BritLand before the feed dry off.

Dalesjoe - in my case to preserve my ability to retire to the alps (may be possible anyway, but this makes it easier), and to preserve my son's ability to do a season in the alps (may be possible anyway, but this makes it easier).

Also my (American) company looks for opportunities in Europe, so being able to work there at the drop of a hat is useful career wise.

We're across a few times a year on holiday so possibly worth it for that too.

And most of what Kimbers said - though I think the EHIC card / E111 is not actually an EU thing (correct me folks) so that might stay anyway. Bit like ECHR.

Chewkw - I assume you wouldn't pay (though Jamba might). Fine. Not a problem. We didn't want you anyway. 😉

And for the two sets of laws comments, not really everyone in Britain would be subject to British law, whatever citizenship they had, and everyone in an EU country would be subject to EU law, whatever citizenship they had. The EU law would just say it recognised British citizens who paid their subs as having the right to work or reside of whatever. No biggy.

captainsasquatch - Member
I've told you about this before, the answer to a question is not "the question is...", the answer to a question is an answer.

kimbers - Member
visa free travel and work, lets be honest skiing/mtbing etc is better in europe

igm - Member
Dalesjoe - in my case to preserve my ability to retire to the alps (

It only costs us £130.00 (per year) per head at the moment, so Jamba is way off the mark.

How can I be off the mark estimating what the EU might charge, no one knows how they might look at it ? You are thinking of it completely incorrectly in terms of the UK budget contribution / population, that's totally irrelevant (calc is closer to £175 anyway fyi). The French pay zero net to the EU - so in the event of Frexit they'd pay zero, of course not ? The cost would be calculated vs the cost of providing UK bods access to European services without any of the significant EU benefits of them having access to UK makets tariff free. It has to be self financing.

Anyway it's all irrelevant as the statement was just made for publicity. They have no intention of doing such a thing, why would they it makes no sense ?

Okay, okay ... the answer, the answer.

You are thinking of it completely incorrectly in terms of the UK budget contribution / population, that's totally irrelevant (calc is closer to £175 anyway fyi).

Can't be arsed reading the serious and light hearted responses - but surely we're paying to get out. More or less on radio four will explain.

The whole immigration argument is a total farce. Know quite a few "Outers" not one of them voted out due to the "pesky foreigners"! Just hope common sense prevails and we keep freedom of movement. All the tit for tat is getting a bit tiresome, saddly I'm thinking it's only just starting!

Jamba - I make it £141 (ish). But you're right it depends what they charge. They have suggested it might even be free. Given that unless you are working there or retired there they wouldn't really be paying out much and in those situations they would be taking tax or revenue from you, they might well go with that. Immigrants boost the economy doncha know. 😉

Anyway it's all irrelevant as the statement was just made for publicity. They have no intention of doing such a thing, why would they it makes no sense ?

Well the amendment has been proposed I believe and it will therefore be voted on. Makes a good deal of sense if the tarif set effectively means relatively affluent people get access easily (the kind of people you Jamba would let into Britain anyway, but you'd have all the faff of a visa / work permit) but the hoi polloi can't. It effectively becomes a slicker version of your own immigration stance.

Also it messes with the Brexies

captainsasquatch - Member

Okay, okay ... the answer, the answer.

So what is the answer to the net UK contribution to the EU which is about £8.5 bn per year?

In another words are we taking back more than we put in?

(calc is closer to £175 anyway fyi).

Show calcs or fail.

like the 350mil figure innit

They have no intention of doing such a thing, why would they it makes no sense ?

pissing off egomaniac expenses fraudsters like farage and hannan? a worthy enough goal imho

Know quite a few "Outers" not one of them voted out due to the "pesky foreigners"! Just hope common sense prevails and we keep freedom of movement.

I think you ought to tell May, Fox, redwood, Farage, mogg,...... they all seem to think its a red line

Simple question to all you remainders about EU contribution.

[b]When UK contributes to the EU are UK taking back more than UK put in?[/b]

Simple answer like "[b]more[/b]" or "[b]less[/b]" will do.

😛

So are making profit out of our contribution? i.e. Are we taking back more than we contribute?

Culturally, financially, trade wise, direct or indirect, etc.

The question of a fool Chewkw - but then you know that

chewkw - Member
Simple question to all you remainders about EU contribution.

When UK contributes to the EU are UK taking back more than UK put in?

Simple answer like "more" or "less" will do.

a complex situation reduced to a simple yes or know question and answer is what got us into this ridiculous brexishambles 😛

I thought it was obvious that we are net contributors. What is your point?

captainsasquatch & igm,

You need to educate me on this so what is your simple answer for a simpleton like me.

Simple one word answer will do so what say you?

More or less.

😆

slowoldman - Member

I thought it was obvious that we are net contributors. What is your point?

For a simpleton like me I don't understand the meaning of net contributors.

All I want to know is if my "investment/money put into EU" get the necessary "Return on investment/money taken back".

So what say you?

More or less.

Not difficult to answer innit since you lot go the facts.

chewkw - Member

Simple question to all you remainders about EU contribution.

When UK contributes to the EU are UK taking back more than UK put in?

Simple answer like "more" or "less" will do.

Nope what would you get for it? We weren't in Schengen anyway and passport lines really don't bother me, it is an insignificant part of the trip.

Add an aside I voted remain but if Brexit means universities can't just get cheap labour from elsewhere and have to invest in their own researchers, then that's a positive in my book.

Ah my dear chewkw, you have now, I see, asked a different question.

All I want to know is if my "investment/money put into EU" get the necessary "Return on investment/money taken back".

The OBR think that we make more by being in the EU that our contribution to the EU, hence the forecasts this week.

That do you?

And in return, what's your answer? 😆

captainsasquatch - Member

"More" or "less" my good man.

Simple answer please.

igm - Member

All I want to know is if my "investment/money put into EU" get the necessary "Return on investment/money taken back".

Ah my dear chewkw, you have I see now as,ed a different question.

The OBR think that we make more by being in the EU that our contribution to the EU, hence the forecasts this week.

That do you?

So we take more back from EU?

"More" you said? Just to confirm.

Peter Lilly MP was on RT earlier he and George Galloway were very upset by John Major pushing for a 2nd referendum, Id love to have seen them address this issue too 😈
The daily mail would equally have a shit fit

The time my steadfast remain friends has long passed to be angry with the brexy quitters for trying touring Britain, but rather to laugh at their pathetic flapping as they see their chances fading.

Stay optimistic Brexies 😆

"More" or "less" my good man.

Simple answer please.

Actually I was trying to simplify the question further to avoid misinterpretation but I guess I added to the confusion innit. Me bad.

Add an aside I voted remain but if Brexit means universities can't just get cheap labour from elsewhere and have to invest in their own researchers, then that's a positive in my book.

I can assure you that its not about cheap labour (non-EU visas are expensive! skype interviews a pain etc), its 100% about getting the very best candidates for the job, its one of the reasons that Britain is a wold leader in scientific research, its also brilliant for fostering international collaborations which is a lynchpin of modern scientific research.

Id also like to point out that I supervise students of many nationalities, its not fair to generalise and maybe we only see the best foreign students here but frustratingly I find often its the british ones with the poorer work ethic.