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Nothing, just don't whinge when you are pulled up on it! Or don't try to be one if it could land you in a whole world of the proverbial.
It's all been said TH - the police car likely DID have a legitimate reason for being there. The taxi driver made an ill advised comment about it. He also wasn't the only one to comment - his was 87th out of 90 comments (IIRC, can't be arsed going back to look).
The point is, that if we accept the (scant) available evidence, combined with the local knowledge in this thread, the taxi driver has been treated
unfairly, and probably unlawfully.
Weird. I hate taxi drivers usually.
From our local paper, rather than in Melrose, but I thought it might be of relevance...
http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/10199522.Worcester_police_defend_use_of_disabled_parking_space/
Aracer, tbh that's what I thought this was about! Edit, it isn't, the cops somewhere had to defend themselves from folk questioning a cop car parked in a disabled space at a McDonald's. they were there attending an incident. 3 incidents of folk jump to the same conclusion in a week? Coincidence?
Seems very petty too. Kicking up such a stink over parking, ESP when it's cops, who can do pretty much what they like on the roads (I have no problem with this at all, let them do what they need to do)
It is kind of harsh what happened to he cabbie I guess but in the same breath, one would do well not to bite the hand that feeds.
TH - at the risk of repeating myself... We have agreed that the cop car most likely had a good reason to be there. We have also agreed (I think) that the cabbie's comment was, at best, ill-advised. this is [u]NOT[/u] a police bashing thread. Rather, it is concerned with the misuse of power by the local crony-ist council to deprive one man of his livelihood.
We don't have the whole story, and I strongly suspect someone had an axe to grind. But this is purely about transparency and fairness, neither of which appear to be in evidence here.
But this is purely about transparency and fairness, neither of which appear to be in evidence here
Agreed, we don't know what the Taxi Driver actually said.
And we don't know if the comments were the [b]full reason[/b] for license not being renewed.
nealglover = the new TJ 🙁
Unfair I know - as someone said earlier, "Argue the point, not the person".
But I'm finding it hard not to compare the two of you.
EDIT, Well, it's either you or me, and I'm pretty sure it's not me.
I agree with others,the reason for the refusal is in the blanked out part, the Facebook Comment is in a different section.
Seems fishy.
unblank and repost if nothing to hide
When reading this thread I'm imagining Officer Crabtree from Allo, Allo has written much of it. The spelling kind of makes sense then.
As I've already said a few times, nobody can make a judgement based on the information available.
I certainly haven't.
Under what circumstances would being insufficiently respectful to the police be a legitimate reason for cancellation of a taxi licence?
Are there published criteria for being allowed, and disqualified from, holding a Taxi License?
If so, surely he should only be refused if he is in breach of these rules.
Surely given the fact that any decision by a public body such as the Taxi licensing committee/group has an appeals process that he can appeal against, or if all else fails apply for Judicial review of the decision stating infringement of his his article 10 right to Freedom of Expression, then we can rest assured that he will be able to follow that process, the world will be put to rights, and we can all sleep safely in our beds once again.
Huzzah!
nealglover = the new TJ
Unfair I know - as someone said earlier, "Argue the point, not the person".
But I'm finding it hard not to compare the two of you.
EDIT, Well, it's either you or me, and I'm pretty sure it's not me.
I guess that was designed to be an insult.
Which is pretty weird considering I was agreeing with you 😐
Under what circumstances would being insufficiently respectful to the police be a legitimate reason for cancellation of a taxi licence?
If that's the reason for it not being renewed, which hasn't really been established properly yet, then it would be a legitimate reason only if it was in some sort of charter or guidelines I suppose.
He should have his license removed for being unable to spell Freedom correctly. I take it he never watched that' movie Highlander 🙄
He should have his license removed for being unable to spell Freedom correctly. I take it he never watched that' movie Highlander
He he..... Braveheart maybe ? 😉
"You can take his licence, but you can never take his FREEDOME !"
we don't know what the [b]Taxi Driver[/b] actually said
Aww, c'mon...we all know what he said...
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nealglover the new TJ? Not seeing it myself. All he seems to be saying is that you can't reach an informed conclusion without all the information. Which is very logical. And not TJ's style.
Facebook is a very dangerous thing if u don't use it with some thought. Thousands are being caught for benefit fraud for example just because they are silly enough to have public profiles and expose their true lifestyle circumstances to anyone who wants to look.
I struggle with long sentences but yes you can say what you like in UK as long as it's not racist or homophobic etc, however you can still be held responsible for what you say e.g. libel/slander laws.
Freedom of Speech doesn't mean lack of consequences.
And as a Borders resident I suspect this guy has been a bampot for years, and if he is anything like some of the other "independent trader" types around here who get away with all kinds of stuff cos they know the funny handshakes, and the Police finally have something on him they can prove.
And be careful what you say on Facebook kiddies.
Yes you can say what you like in UK as long as it's not racist or homophobic etc, however you can still be held responsible for what you say e.g. libel/slander laws.
Freedom of Speech doesn't mean lack of consequences.
And as a Borders resident I suspect this guy has been a bampot for years, and if he is anything like some of the other "independent trader" types around here who get away with all kinds of stuff cos they know the funny handshakes, and the Police finally have something on him they can prove.
And be careful what you say on Facebook kiddies.
It's an odd conclusion that the guy that's getting stitched up by the polis and the cooncil is the one that wields some sort of Masonic influence.
If that's the reason for it not being renewed, which hasn't really been established properly yet, then it would be a legitimate reason only if it was in some sort of charter or guidelines I suppose.
If we believe the letter is genuine, then we have identified that "lack of respect for the Police authority" was a, if not the sole, reason for the finding that the guy was not a fit and proper person to hold a taxi licence, and that a Facebook thread was a, if not the sole, element of that lack of respect about which Lothian and Borders Police complained.
Under what circumstances would it be legitimate for the police to complain about a "lack of respect for the Police authority" from a taxi driver? And under what circumstances would it be legitimate for the council to refuse to issue a licence for someone's livelihood on the basis of that complaint?
Under what circumstances would it be legitimate for the police to complain about a "lack of respect for the Police authority" from a taxi driver? And under what circumstances would it be legitimate for the council to refuse to issue a licence for someone's livelihood on the basis of that complaint?
As I said above, whatever the Taxi Licensing rules and guidelines are would dictate that.
And none of us seem to know what those guidelines are do we ?
So, from what I can see here:
a couple of people want us to be outraged because of part of one side of a story has been presented.
None of us are aware of the license process, the rules applied or any other factors, or even the subsequent appeals process that he also failed.
Why on earth would any sane person think the residents of stw have enough information to say anything other than 'tell me more'?
Oh the ironing! A thread about "small town Borders incestuous politics" and you are only allowed to express a view if you actually live in the town! I've never lived in Melrose, but I do visit from time to time. The road markings in the Google Streetview and the taxi picture are consistent with how it was the last two times I visited (late 2012 and Jan 2013).So tell me ... when did YOU last live in melrose then... i moved out this time last year... the google maps image is 2013, the photo of the taxi is as the OLD junction layout used to be... in 2012 when the one way system was still under public consultation.
Bing arial photography shows the same road layout in May 2011.
The google streetview is dated August 2010.
There might have been some rejigging in that time - but there has been a junction there for a long time.
There might have been some rejigging in that time - but there has been a junction there for a long time.
Round the corner, to the right in front of the taxi, is now a paved area with benches and flower beds, the junction no longer exists. The High St is now a one way system going down the street towards the rugby club.
whatever the Taxi Licensing rules and guidelines are would dictate that.
Whatever the rules say is legitimate?
Let me turn that question around for you: do you think it should be a state requirement that one respects the police in order to run a private business?
Local councils rules regarding taxi licences are often archane and don't take into account modern employment laws and human rights legislation. I can't see how if this went to a proper court the refusal to renew his licence would be upheld.
To give you an example, in Cardiff there used to be a rule that 2 children under 5 counted as 1 in a cab. My taxi is licenced for 4 passengers, so when I wouldn't pick up a woman and her 5 children she complained. The pitchforks were out for me, untill the police confirmed that I could have been prosecuted if I had picked her up. The council backed down but they werern't happy that the law got in the way of their rules.
Probably a bit late to point out now, but there is [b]NO[/b] Freedom of Speech law in the UK. In the US yes, but not in the UK. Never has been to my knowledge.
I can only conclude your all watching to many Hollywood films!
Edit: Unless you become an MP and evoke Parliamentary Privilege
hels - MemberFreedom of Speech doesn't mean lack of consequences.
Yup. Freedom of speech has not been restricted here, he's perfectly free to say what he said.
Maybe I'm going blind but I've not seen the original facebook comment? If it was something like "*ing police are all a bunch of *s, that's why I never do what they say, the *s, they're always wrong. And *s." then they might have more of a point.
From his own facebook
In my comment I wasn't at all flattering towards the police saying that I have no respect for the police that break there own rules and that they should be leading by example, I even went on to say that they are mere civil servants on a power trip.
(Don't know if anyone cut and pasted it already)
well the consequences must surely have dispelled the power trip claim
he was foolish but what they have done is, IMHO, abuse of power
If his explanation of the situation is both entirely complete and entirely correct then I agree
If the police were responding to an emergency then there should be no problem with them being in a disabled space.
W don't have the whole picture here, I suspect there is more to it than his side of the story.
Most of the councillors are 80+ yr old. Rugby players, Masons, Police.
you got to respect an 80+ yr old that still plays Rugby though, must be pretty tough up there
TuckerUK: you are completely wrong. Human Rights Act since 1998, and an intricate web of administrative law and constitutional principles and practice before then. Your point is the same one that smartarses make when people start to discuss constitutions and the UK.
Round the corner, to the right in front of the taxi, is now a paved area with benches and flower beds
Like this you mean? http://goo.gl/maps/WhWNo
If you zoom out, you'll see a van parked a little further back from where the taxi was.
the junction no longer exists. The High St is now a one way system going down the street towards the rugby club.
Except in this Streetview the junction does exist, along with the give way markings for it which can quite clearly be seen in the original photo with the taxi. Oh, and the High Street is already one way. If the junction no longer exists, how come the give way markings are still painted on the road? Or of course there's always this overhead satellite shot from 2013 which also shows the junction http://goo.gl/maps/5v4dI - it's been redone very recently I presume?
Do you want to carry on?
Most of the councillors are 80+ yr old.
You are wrong
[url= http://www.scotborders.gov.uk/councillors/name ]No 80 year olds here[/url]
Some of those councillors on that list look well dodgy. Any of them masons ?
You are wrong
Apologies. I didn't realise Riddle Dumble, Bill Lamb et al had been replaced by such spring chickens. At least these new guys are only recently retired!
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I bet Willie plays scrum half...
Whatever the rules say is legitimate?
Let me turn that question around for you: do you think it should be a state requirement that one respects the police in order to run a private business?
You can "turn it round" as many times as you like.
If he breached what the rules currently allow, then his license doesn't get renewed.
And to repeat myself again, you have no idea what he said, or about who, you don't know what the rules say either.
So come back when you have all the relevant information and ask me the same question ?
Maybe it will be clearer then what's happened.
Until then you/we are just guessing, and I can't really see the point in that to be honest.
Should have been out riding his bike not wasting his time on arsebook, anyhow he got off lightly, I've heard of people being burn't inside a wicker man for less in that part of the world..........
but ranting about pure conjecture is the stw way NealUntil then you/we are just guessing, and I can't really see the point in that to be honest.