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Two weeks at home on our return will be fine, my wife is working from home and I think I will get full pay anyway as it is a government instruction that was not in place when we left.
Been in Ainsa, Spain for 2 weeks, no obvious problems or draconian measures just people wearing masks in shops & sanitisers everywhere. Crossed over to France just after the quarantine thing was announced (seems a bit more blasse compared to Spain) and we're heading to Finale, then back to bsm prob wont be back in blighty for a month, every day in non quarantined countries comes off your time when you get back in the uk, so fingers crossed should be ok....unless it goes tits up in France of course.
Two weeks at home on our return will be fine, my wife is working from home and I think I will get full pay anyway as it is a government instruction that was not in place when we flew out.
I'm at home watching Neflix working from home for two weeks. I can't actually assemble heavy plant at home but work have been very accommodating and are dropping off a laptop so I can do every training course under the sun.
There’s going to be a lot of moaning about all of this if the press headlines are anything to go on but it was entirely possible to see this happening, more than once too.
I too am struggling to provide a great deal of sympathy for anyone caught out by this and tbh I don't think employers should either if you are unable to work on your return. With the world going to shit holiday trips abroad were really not necessary this year. It was entirely likely this was going to happen and leaving on your holibobs without even an inkling this might happen shows a crushing lack of imagination.
I too am struggling to provide a great deal of sympathy for anyone caught out by this and tbh I don’t think employers should either if you are unable to work on your return.
Both me and my employer accept that there is a chance that I could come back from a MTB or Skiing holiday broken or even dead. Helps that the director is a keen skier himself.
I wouldn't expect to be paid if I could not work (SSP or furlough in current situation), but the flip side is I would find any further discrimination or repurcussions based on this to be wrong, and hopefully grounds for a wrongful dismissal case.
Given that any employee could be forced to spend 2 weeks at home quarantining at any point if thier family is sick or they went to the wrong pub, a business must either have plans for this, or just accept it as a risk.
Given that any employee could be forced to spend 2 weeks at home quarantining at any point if thier family is sick or they went to the wrong pub, a business must either have plans for this, or just accept it as a risk.
Agreed - but there are limits.
If a family need to quarantine because a member of the family has inadvertently got it going about their day to day life you would hope the employer would be understanding. If the family got it because you won a dare by streaking through a covid ward licking the patients, not so much. For me electing to leave the UK for a holiday and risk the situation changing whilst you are away falls on the numpty side of the given a bit of latitude fence.
There were plenty of holiday makers interviewed this morning 'incensed' that their employers might make them take the two weeks away on their return as unpaid or holiday leave, not that they might lose their job.
There's no SSP for quarantining unless you are actually sick.
If a family need to quarantine because a member of the family has inadvertently got it going about their day to day life you would hope the employer would be understanding. If the family got it because you won a dare by streaking through a covid ward licking the patients, not so much. For me electing to leave the UK for a holiday and risk the situation changing whilst you are away falls on the numpty side of the given a bit of latitude fence.
Some of my colleagues have been to the pub/restaurant twice a week since you were able to. I've been to Morzine (by car, catered chalet) for a week, other than that, outside of my work I've only been inside supermarkets and my parents house since March.
I know which part of my personal life I valued, which is why I was extra careful before my holiday.
Which, overall, is more risky from a self isolating point of view?
I’ve had it confirmed today I will get full pay if the quarantine for the Balearics stays in place but it’s looking like it will be lifted for here and only be mainland Spain.
We’ve been told all along that if we have to quarantine for 14 says then you have to take it as holiday or unpaid. This is despite the fact that many of us have been working from home since the middle of March and could continue to do so quite easily (unless too ill etc). The reason being that some people work out on sites and don’t have the option to work from home - it wouldn’t be fair if some workers were to continue working from home while quarantining?!
So. I’m going camping in the highlands instead. In August. I must be mad!
We're not going abroad for a year or so until some sort of normality resumes, seems too sketchy to me can't afford 2 weeks quarantine aswell as the hols being self employed. Booked a cottage in Cornwall for next year, maybe a long weekend somewhere later this year.
Which, overall, is more risky from a self isolating point of view?
Personal risk taking is entirely irrelevant to this conversation. A very valid thing but irrelevant to this conversation.
This is about voluntarily putting yourself the wrong side of a border when a national wholesale change of policy occurs. For a holibob. And expecting others to dry your eyes and pay you whilst you wait it out.
Do it - sure. Have a great time. Just you should go expecting if things take a turn for the worse globally you end up taking unpaid leave if it means you can't work on your return because of your decision. Not the government (read, the rest of us) or your employer. Otherwise crack on.
Exactly, we went when the WHO advise was it’s ok to travel and having an air corridor, but also knowing that it could change (as it has), we also went not knowing if I would be payed to quarantine if we had to. It’s a calculated risk we took as a family knowing exactly where we would be staying and the area. I realise that I am very lucky to be in the position to be payed to quarantine and also realise the vast majority will not be in this position.
if the quarantine for the Balearics stays in place but it’s looking like it will be lifted for here and only be mainland Spain.
Nope.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-revises-spain-travel-advice-amid-quarantine-row-12037005
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
From 27 July, the FCO advise against all non-essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic and Canary Islands, based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks in the country.
Asking for a friend...their daughter went to Tenerife last Friday due beck next Saturday so will have to isolate on return all understood so far but do other family members also have to isolate for that period if they stayed at home. The daughter and her mum both work in school so not really a problem the dad doesn't. Gov website is predictably unintelligible. Not asking for any sympathy for them just need to know where they stand
Thanks
Only if the daughter starts to show symptoms.
That's it thanks for that doomanic I will be sure to let them know 😉
Only if the daughter starts to show symptoms.
I read that as they have to isolate from other people in the household, regardless of any symptoms, after all you could be completely asymptomatic
I don't...
The only friends and family who you can have contact with are those who travelled with you or people who you are staying with.
Contact yes, but isolate as in 2m distance and carefully washing down bathrooms etc is my understanding...
During this time, you should:
Stay home unless you absolutely must leave, such as for essential medical appointments
Separate yourself from other household members and pets
Use a separate bedroom and bathroom if possible
Not share utensils, dishes, cups/glasses, bedding, towels, and other personal items
Should go to Estonia if you feel the urge to travel abroad
