Nowt like a good conspiracy theory.
I really do not understand why clinton is so hated. Mysogeny?
theres been a load of faked medical stuff leaked about Hillary
theres plenty of gullible 'mericans out there to lap it up
I believe this is the 'evidence' thats behind it
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-medical-records-leaked/
Trump and his campaign love spreading this kind of gossip
The Donald was one of the main drivers of the Obama 'Birther' conspiracies too
Oh crikey. Now there's a "body double" conspiracy theory as well!
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tjagainI really do not understand why clinton is so hated. Mysogeny?
Saudi millions. Banking industry millions. Massive corruption. Lying....
Nowt like a good conspiracy theory.
....oh and an alarmingly high number of people who've spoken out about her/the Clinto foundation have died in mysterious circumstances.
Clinton suffered a concussion in late 2012 and admitted to the FBI during the email investigations that her memory had suffered due to the concussion and a following blood clot on the brain.
Full recordings released by the FBI last week but I've never heard the word stroke apart from in the right wing gossip papers.
tjagain - MemberNowt like a good conspiracy theory.
I really do not understand why clinton is so hated. Mysogeny?
Like most things, there isn't a single answer.
Most likely - she's a Democrat, US polotics is even more tribal than ours - to some people 'Liberal' is an insult, and Democrat isn't far behind - the majority of Americans decided on Clinton and for that matter Trump before they uttered a word - they're just the enemy. So roughly half of them hate her by default, they fill in the details later.
She is of course the Wife of a former Democrat President, double-bad for Republicans.
Out of the non-Republicans there are other things she's done.
The 'private e-mail server' she forgot about and connections via her husband to Saudi.
Another less mentioned thing that's hurting her, but none the less is a serious problem for her with minorities in the US is that Bill Clinton passed the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 which was a disaster - it was huge and wide ranging and on the face of it should have been a good idea, but it was enforced terribly and the good points failed, it allowed for lots of new prisons to be built and lots of new prisoners to fill them - they were mostly young and black.
What made is worse is that as First Lady at the time she campaigned for it very vocally, calling for young black "Super Predators to be brought to heal".
It was, even by American standards a right wing policy from the supposed left of American Politics, campaigned in the very right-wing way.
Jamba prove to me where Hilary Clinton has had a stroke and I will happily apologise to you, it seems the difference between us is that you spout drivel then won't come up with the evidence to back up your words.
Calling me obnoxious is a bit harsh 😆 I am cut to the quick X
I had pneumonia as a teenager. I've never been so ill in all my life!
I would imagine she'll be out of circulation for a good few weeks. If she insists she's 'feeling great' and cracks on too soon, she'll wipe herself out.
What was it that fell on the ground next to her foot just as she got huckled into the van?
When I heard Clinton had a stroke I assumed that was old news relating to Bill's time in office.
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Is Jambaliar going to provide some evidence, or just pretend he never made those claims, like a true brexiter?
Trump put out a totally bogus statement of health from his "personal physician" who has now backtracked gently on its veracity.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/27/donald-trump-doctor-letter-health-harold-bornstein
It's a really difficult election. I want both of them to lose...
It's a really difficult election. I want both of them to lose...
I doubt you are alone there
Far from alone - it's a game of picking the least bad, and I imagine for most of us thinking that way the establishment figure with a dodgy past is preferable to the complete loon (you can decide for yourself who I'm referring to, so hopefully that will keep everybody happy 😉 )
Pig face; some stuff here - whether it was a full on stroke isn't fully revealed but its certainly well within that territory:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/hillary-clinton-hospitalized-with-blood-clot
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/12/202406.htm
What exactly are you trying to prove there, ninfan? You do realise that a blood clot isn't a stroke?
I think I edited while you were typing aracer.
Yup - that is not a stroke. Not even close.
Blood clots can cause strokes but not that type.
Should we expect a retraction from old Jamba?
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Sanders was polling better than Clinton against Trump a year agomaybe itll all work out in the end
Sanders is as bad as Trump, his economic policies would **** the developing world. So no, things won't work out if he ends up President.
HC has been called all sorts of names for taking this product with some claiming it's quackery. Actually this is what was routinely given to thyroid patients before Levothyroxine came onto the market. I would strongly suspect that Big Pharma are behind this discrediting of her and NDT, after all when a product suits then there is no need for anti depressants, statins, PPIs etc etc.
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his economic policies would **** the developing world
Which policies, which countries?
Which policies, which countries?
Any that have improved their lot due to being able to compete through freeish trade. Bernie is a hardcore protectionist.
So, the basics.
She does not have a penis, this is very troubling for a lot of Americans (mostly those that were very uncomfortable with the current presidents sun tan) there are plenty who are happy to declare that being president is a man's job.
She has baggage but in the end that comes with the jobs she has done in government.
The rest? Hard to split the fact from the tribal vitriol and the sound of the republican party imploding.
As for Saunders, he does not have the support of his party. A president needs the party to back him especially in a tight election. On the flip side Trump doesn't either. Clinton is probably the one that could lead a stable government.
Excellent work ninfan posting something to prove she has had a stroke which doesn't 😆 really great work.
Still waiting for Jamba to come up with some proof as well.
You lot would make excellent presidential candidates,
Spin, unattributable statements, conjecture, articles that have tenuous links to something...
Its all here...
No ammount of deliberating pertaining to her illness can detract from the fact that she is incaable of running for office - The facts are that increasingly so shes been suffering from a plethora of serious conditions - the mockingbird media have been making light of the reality for as long as has remained feasible - Outside of the controlled narrative however it's been reported upon from atleast as far back as 2012 that she is suffering gravely from ill health - and no I'm not providing any links - It's not my job to nurse you through your normalcy bias .
The facts are that increasingly so shes been suffering from a plethora of serious conditions - blah - and no I'm not providing any links - It's not my job to nurse you through your normalcy bias .
No but I assume your facts are solid and you have seen them? Read something factual and accurate? Or was it another Internet quack who wanted their name read out?
When most arduous jobs have a retirement age of 65, why do we have a 68 & 70y/o as presidential candidates? Quite frankly, I'd struggle to find 2 Americans less fit/suitable for office.
Have you been to the USA? I found about 20 before clearing customs in lax and some of them had guns...
Have you been to the USA?
He's probably been more often than me, so yes!
Lol well he isn't talking to the common idiot over there.
Version A (from her campaign team), she fell, she hit her head hard enough for a concussion which lead to a brain bleed which lead to memory loss
Version B she had a brain bleed, ie a stroke and thus she fell over
The same happened to a colleague of mine (B). There has been plenty of coverage around this incident and her use of the memory loss excuse with the FBI
IMO she's finished, I didn't think Trump would get the nomination at the start but he only got stronger and as I said before once you are in a 2 horse race you have a good chance and especially when your opponent falls so close to the finish it's all over.
I seem to recall one of the greatest US presidents did it from a wheelchair and fought a war whilst not entirely in good health.
IMO she's finished, I didn't think Trump would get the nomination at the start but he only got stronger
How is Trump doing in the key demographics of women, non whites etc. And in the key states? Still miles off?
rosscore - MemberI seem to recall one of the greatest US presidents did it from a wheelchair and fought a war whilst not entirely in good health.
There have been any number of old or infirm leaders but in the past. We're in a soundbite social media world now.
Indeed Dan there was a great cartoon years ago of two old blokes on a park bench having a conversation "We are at a difficult time of life, too old to work but too young to be a world leader"
BTW could you comment on this if you have time - how do they change a plane tyre ? Have asked my BIL who works for United but I assume you have all this covered
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@mike we will know the answer to that in November. Campaign is very polarised with both candidates very unpopular with core voters of the "other" side. Sadly however I think Trump is going to win.
We might but at present he is way behind (it's amazingly well documented) . He is also more unpopular and has to convert votes amongst people he has vilified. He has a lot further to go than hillary had to loose.
How is Trump doing in the key demographics of women, non whites etc. And in the key states? Still miles off?
Only 11% of African Americans polled had a favorable view of Trump, compared with 69% who saw Clinton favorably. Fourteen percent of Hispanics saw Trump favorably, compared with 58% who were inclined to like Clinton. Similarly, LGBT people, unmarried women and Muslim, Jewish and Asian Americans preferred Clinton to Trump by margins of more than 25 points.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/11/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-disaffected-voters
mikewsmith - MemberWe might but at present he is way behind (it's amazingly well documented) . He is also more unpopular and has to convert votes amongst people he has vilified. He has a lot further to go than hillary had to loose.
I think it'll be closer than the polls suggest. I'd say there'll be a lot of people who may reticent to declaring their support for him but who will vote. There could also be a "brexit" effect where Hilary supporters assume the work is done so don't vote, and every old gimmer on their death bed drags themselves out to vote for Trump.
The facts are that increasingly so shes been suffering from a plethora of serious conditions
I haven't seen any facts confirming that she is suffering from a plethora of serious conditions. Somebody saying "I think she's suffering from a serious medical condition" is an opinion, which is fine, but repeating an opinion on the internet doesn't make it a fact.
I hope she gets better soon
When most arduous jobs have a retirement age of 65, why do we have a 68 & 70y/o as presidential candidates? Quite frankly, I'd struggle to find 2 Americans less fit/suitable for office.
Trumps mental state needs to be taken into consideration here too.
