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Just ordered an additional 500l at 67ppl here in the Cotswolds. That’s the cheapest I’ve seen it since February and for that amount and that price, any cheaper and it won’t make much difference.
We only use around 1000-1250l a year and will be moving to solar thermal in the new year, so should drop again.
Just ordered an additional 500l at 67ppl here in the Cotswolds.
Including the VAT?
Just ordered an additional 500l at 67ppl here in the Cotswolds.
Who's that.. and do they deliver south of the M4!?
97p per litre – 500l – Boilerjuice
Boilerjuice quoting is the equivalent of 81.9 ppl for 500L inc VAT & service charge here (N Wales) today. (75.6ppl ex vat, ex service charge)
I think we'll make it past Christmas, but will need to fill up again Jan / Feb
On a related point, we had our (oil) boiler replaced almost exactly a year ago, we got rid of the Rayburn and had an external Worcester Greenstar fitted outside.
How often should we be getting it serviced? The people who fitted it said annually, but, well, they would, wouldn't they... It runs for about four hours a day, October-April. It's off through the summer as we have solar thermal
We had it done once a year when we were on oil. There's plenty to clean out, soot etc, replacement bits like nozzles. I can't see why you would leave it beyond a year.
Apparently a big thing in boiler servicing is the jet.
Our boiler is a huge ancient thing that's basically a big box full of baffles and the pump/fan/burner in a box on the front.
I once had it serviced and all the guy did was hoover out the box as best he could and replace the jet. I've bought a couple of jets and do it myslef now - it's really not difficult*
If you've got a condensing boiler it might be a different matter though!
* if it's way ou tof whack then it probably needs the gasses analyzing properly though.
Just ordered an additional 500l at 67ppl here in the Cotswolds.
WHAT?!!
I've just been quoted 79.95p + VAT in N Wales!!
(Sure you didn't get the 6 and the 7 mixed up?!)
Edit: Actually I've just had a price of 75.70p ex VAT from boilerjuice so my other suppliers should be lower.
We were down to 3 bars so I placed an order of 700l. It's taken it to fairly full, I was concerned that the bottom 2-3" of the tank was not high enough to make it out of the outlet.
Can't remember what I was quoted now. Bill will land soon enough though.
If you’ve got a condensing boiler it might be a different matter though!!
Its not- Only issue i have is the turbulators can be quite fragile and the soot is the messiest soot you ever saw.
Grant Vortex Eco.
on the subject of the grant vortex combi actually - It lives outside and is fairly poorly insulated.
Annoyingly it heats up a small tank of water inside it for on demand water. - this it fires up every 90 minutes for 3 minutes to maintain that tank temp - and the maths works out that it accounts for why my oil usage for hot water over the summer is so much when the heatings been off.(always has consumed this much over summer its not a new thing)
till now I've had a controller with no timer on the hot water- I'm toying with wiring up the second channel on the thermostat to switch of the hot water side during the night and assuming the smart thermostat can do it - when we are away and letting the frost stat control the firing.
Next year once the solar thermals in the combi water heating will likely get wired off permanently when i move the heating controls onto the tank valves.
This £200, we've had 3 tanks worth delivered this year, from 2 separate suppliers - what's the chance of us getting 2 lots of £200? 😉
I think the £200 might come to us via the electric suppliers. Only read that in one place so might not be correct.
till now I’ve had a controller with no timer on the hot water- I’m toying with wiring up the second channel on the thermostat to switch of the hot water side during the night and assuming the smart thermostat can do it – when we are away and letting the frost stat control the firing.
I can’t believe you haven’t done this already. I added a Hive thermostat to my mum’s Vortex combi and the utility room is no longer like a sauna most of the day now the water channel is off from 10am - 4pm, and 11pm through the night. There’s a big boost button on the thermostat if you want a bath or shower outside these times and the mini-tank stays hot enough for hand washing etc anyway.
its worth calculating how much heat your tank actually loses. A modern tank does let out some heat, but its so marginal I changed ours away from timed heating just to being heated all the time, the maximum it costs (even if you assume "lost" heat isn't going into the building) is about 10p/day
5lab - my tank sits in the back garden in a very minimally insulated box being battered by the north wind.
n’t believe you haven’t done this already. I added a Hive thermostat to my mum’s Vortex combi and the utility room is no longer like a sauna most of the day now the water channel is off from 10am – 4pm, and 11pm through the night. There’s a big boost button on the thermostat if you want a bath or shower outside these times and the mini-tank stays hot enough for hand washing etc anyway.
cost vs benifits - i only had a 1 channel thermostat and changing it historically cost more than the oil required - a blackfriday deal and the requirement for a 2 chanel meant i bought one , actually wanted an evohome but its being discontinued so i didnt want to end up unsupported.
Likewise with my insulation - i insulated as best i could and left the mega expensive hard to access pain in the arse stuff out .... how ever with the cost of oil now - its in progress.
^^ I was talking about hot water tank, I'm assuming the one at the bottom of your garden has oil in it 😀
No . There’s a bit further down the garden.
My oil boiler sits on the outside of the back wall of the utility room.
Due to at the time of install we didn’t have a utility room or a dining room or indeed a garage with a suitable location for a 250l tank.
Inside the boiler there’s a 2ft x1 ft insulated box of water kept warm for instant use.
My experience of it when the boilers off is it’s usually cold water it spits out. By the time the fresh incoming cold water has displaced the hot into the pipe work - the heats been sucked out the hot water. But during the day and night it sure as **** doesn’t need to keep it warm for use if no one’s there.
Need to play about when the thermostat kit arrives
In all honesty the grants a clunky agricultural thing a bit like my self and it keeps on going on - and the electronics are incredibly easy to bypass when your pcb dies in peak covid….compared to my previous Worcester’s - id buy a grant again but I’m
Not sure I’d buy a combi - but I guess my hands were tied at the time
Gray box round the corner from the doors and windows...that's the boiler
Just paid 82.95 p/l (+VAT) for 1100 litres in South Shropshire. Neary a grand to fill the tank, ouch!! 😢
WHAT?!!
I’ve just been quoted 79.95p + VAT in N Wales!!
@sharkbait - yup, it was £351 inc VAT and 5 days delivery.
Brilliant... well done on that, wish I could get close!
500L by 20th Dec @ 81p/L in Fife. That pretty much should fill the tank. Talk of another spike in prices with this oil cap on Russian oil made me think now might be a good time to top up.
I bottled it. 3 bars inclusive of the bit below the outlet ..... i was looking at january or possibly february.
I too think prices will spike (oil generally always does in Jan.... Coupled with the russian oil cap.)
Maybe they wont - but after seeing february prices of 1.60 locally last year - I filled week 1 january last year at 72p ..... im not getting caught with my pants down for 5-10 pence/l
0.80/l
roughly 1100l used for the year. Hopefully this will be the last year of that - Heavily insulated the house over summer/autumn and we have a 250l tank and solar thermal on order for the ho****er. With the bairns bath every night it seems we have used about 6 bars of oil over summer purely heating hot water ! thats about 700 quid at todays prices so the solar thermal will have a payback of about 6 years
I thought that this was an interesting comparison - Oil was actually the cheapest form of heating last month!
(From here)
I think that oil will drop the short* term compared to gas/electricity
* 6-12 months
Just had a price from BJ for 78.55 for delivery before xmas (which is fine as I've still got about 500L).
I'll phone around to see if I can do a bit better but that's not too bad TBH.
Just filled @0.74 p/l + VAT in Cambs. They dropped 0.5 p/l after a gentle nudge.
That's us sorted until summer next year assuming no disasters.
Watchman dropped from 3 to 2 on Sunday, bit the bullet yesterday as the range anxiety kicked in and ordered 500L via boilerjuice for just over £404 bucks.
House is a tiny 3 bed mid terrace so hopefully that'll be us done until April time.
Still waiting to see how the £200 rebate will be paid, I'd imagine it'll be swallowed up by the increase in electricity come the spring, but at least we're not looking at the £1000 per 500L that was being sold last March.
So much for my cheap 500l. The chap delivering found a small scratch (crack?) at the top right corner of the tank and refused to deliver.
He says we need a new bunded tank @£2000 which will also mean changing the base it’s sat on - sigh.
I've had that - did he suggest that they supplied and fitted the new tank also?
So what you 'could' do is buy a standard tank, run your oil down, unscrew the outlet from the tank, swap tanks and reconnect.
They won't refuse to deliver to an unbunded tank.
(I was told that by the oil tanker delivery guy)
They won’t refuse to deliver to an unbunded tank.
that seems a bit wild - would think it would be the opposite way around.
last time i checked my tank was delivered by a truck driver with dangerous goods paperwork. not an Oftec qualified installer.
Worth getting a second opinion from a qualified person ?
that seems a bit wild – would think it would be the opposite way around.
There's a lot of unbunded tanks out there and it's not illegal to own/use/sell them.
This driver also said that as long as I didn't fill above the level of the 'crack'* then it should be OK and he was happy to do that.
* I'm still not convinced that it is.
There’s a lot of unbunded tanks out there and it’s not illegal to own/use/sell them
im not disputing that part . i had an unbunded up till 2 years ago.
But im disputing that they wont refuse to fill a cracked unbunded tank - thats insanity if they wont fill a bundeded one
Mate at work had a leak in his tank, was about a year before he could move back into his house. Luckily his insurance covered the cost of digging out the ground floor to remove all the contaminated soil.
My rank isn't bunded, so am planning to replace it next summer.
Agree that there's a lot of misinformation about tanks, me included!
<h2 id="catching-oil-leaks-and-spills">Catching oil leaks and spills</h2>
The person installing your tank will do a risk assessment, and they’ll let you know if your tank has to have secondary containment (a ‘bund’). The bund must:
- hold 110% of the tank’s capacity
- be impermeable to oil and water
You’ll need a bund if your tank’s in any of the following places:
- where oil spills could run into an open drain or a loose manhole cover
- where the tank vent pipes cannot be seen when the tank’s being filled, for example because the delivery tanker is parked too far away
- within 10 metres of coastal waters or inland fresh waters like lakes or streams
- within 50 metres of a drinking water source, for example wells, boreholes or springs
- where oil spills could run over hard ground and reach coastal waters, inland fresh waters or a drinking water source
- in the inner zone of groundwater source protection zone 1
- You’ll also need a bund if your tank can hold more than 2,500 litres of oil.
Not sue I would want to be using an oil tank with a whole in it. The environmental impact + the massive hefty fine you get, i am sure its about £150k + clean up costs + you might not actually be properly insured.
We had to get it noted on our house insurance policy + provide evidence it met building regs
More recent building regs on where you can locate a tank are pretty difficult to adhere to unless you have a lot of land
while thems the rules - why you wouldnt want a bunded tank is beyond me.
But im disputing that they wont refuse to fill a cracked unbunded tank
I never said that..... I said that they wouldn't refuse to deliver to a tank that wasn't bunded - cracked tanks are a different matter.
Mate at work had a leak in his tank, was about a year before he could move back into his house. Luckily his insurance covered the cost of digging out the ground floor to remove all the contaminated soil.
A neighbour had a leak in the oil feed pipe as it came through the wall into the house, stone not brick. Huge reconstruction job.
Looks like I need to get my Watchman calibrated somehow.
Was down to 3 bars of a 1400l tank.
Only got 884l in to brim.
Perhaps my watch man isn't taking into account the dead space below the outlet.....
I think they only measure the linear distance to the surface of the oil, so not great in plastic tanks that have odd shapes which give different surface areas (hence volume) at different heights. If you have a sight glass measure the oil level before and after a delivery, this will give you a rough idea of the lites/mm over that range, and you can calibrate the Watchman as well.
yep 100% that is what they do . my tanks a tall rectangle harelequin one rather than the half a barrel shaped one so expected it to be fairly linear correlation. Seems i was wrong.
Always had a sight glass with the old half barrel one.
my tanks a tall rectangle harelequin one rather than the half a barrel shaped one so expected it to be fairly linear correlation.
The inner tank probably has 'windows' (i.e. holes that join both sides) moulded into it for strength like this:
Means that the level drops quite quickly once it reaches the middle part of the tank, but more slowly above or below.
Was down to 3 bars of a 1400l tank.
Only got 884l in to brim.
It's still not miles off though to be fair:
1400l tank ~= 140l per bar on the Watchman
3bars ~= 420l
1440 - 420 = 980l, so 100l out, which is within 1 bar of the Watchman.
Looks like I need to get my Watchman calibrated somehow.
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