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Why don't you get out there and campaign on behalf of the supermarkets?
I don't need to, there's one just down the road
So you'd rather deny the majority of people their choice in order to have yours? - I'm yet to see a town where there are no small shops any more.
How you inferred that from my previous post is something of a mystery. All I want is a level playing field.
In Lancs? MOST towns are like that! 😆
All I want is a level playing field
and that is what exactly?
We've still a bit baffled by the electrickery and inside privvies to be honest Jota.
I want well priced food, in supply, right now. I don't want to spend a whole morning wandering in and out of shops doorways just to buy a shop that takes me <30mins in a supermarket.
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and that is what exactly?
One that isn't sloping.
One that isn't sloping.
Try Norfolk
Apparently Castle Douglas is a lovely wee town to shop in. So my mother tells me.
Hora - as long as your life is as easy as possible, you really couldn't give a flying one about anyone or anything. We're all well aware of that, Tory boy.
Is that what we should now use as a template for our society?
Try Norfolk
Yawn.
Yawn.
ahh, you've been
Hora - as long as your life is as easy as possible, you really couldn't give a flying one about anyone or anything. We're all well aware of that, Tory boy.Is that what we should now use as a template for our society?
Quite. I guess most people use supermarkets, even if only ocassionally, but why are some so determined to be myopic about the problems they cause? We all know about the problems of controlling the supply chain, bulldozing the planning process, predatory pricing and so on. I would've thought that true Tory boys would be opposed to these hidden subsidies, attacks on a free market and restrictions on consumer choice. But apparently not.
Shopping for food is a pain. I'm no masterchef professional contestant. I m also glad the internet makes my wage go further in regards to bike bits.
You still haven't said what you want ranos except a 'level playing field' and resisted explaining that
What is it you think should happen then?
I would've thought that true Tory boys would be opposed to these hidden subsidies, attacks on a free market and restrictions on consumer choice.
Unfortunately he won't actually know what any of that means
I think you'll find Hora that by buying quality, you don't need as much.
Most people that shop at supermarkets make the trip once a week, bulk buying, some/a lot of this gets thrown away, along with all the excess packaging.
I care where my food comes from, how fresh it is, and believe me the trash that some supermarkets try and sell you in the fruit and veg section should have a health warning on it.
And when our town was faced with the threat of building a supermarket, the roads were closed, telly news came to film because most of our town came out to demonstrate against the idea.
I'm not totally against supermarkets, Booths and even the Co-op do try and source their goods locally where ever possible.
Most people that shop at supermarkets make the trip once a week
I wish someone would tell my wife that 🙂
Of course the town centre shops will close.
They need to so that the people who used to run them can find time to work at the new supermarket.
It would be a sh1t shop if they don't have anyone to stock the shelves.
They need to be local, Workfare won't pay the bus-fares for out of towners as its too expensive.
You still haven't said what you want ranos except a 'level playing field' and resisted explaining thatWhat is it you think should happen then?
Just guessing here, but maybe stopping supermarkets from
controlling the supply chain, bulldozing the planning process, predatory pricing, hidden subsidies, attacks on a free market and restrictions on consumer choice.
Just guessing here, but maybe stopping supermarkets fromcontrolling the supply chain, bulldozing the planning process, predatory pricing, hidden subsidies, attacks on a free market and restrictions on consumer choice.
Fairly far reaching then?
let me know how you get on with that, I suspect that vast majority of people in this country are happy having supermarkets over just small shops.
In pretty much everything there'll be a minority that don't want it but we either doing nothing until everyone agrees or accept it'll never suit everyone
Bunnyhop - MemberI care where my food comes from, how fresh it is, and believe me the trash that some supermarkets try and sell you in the fruit and veg section should have a health warning on it.
As compared to what, boutique produce grown by the chap at the end of your road?
Can he supply 60 million people?
Trash in what way, care to be more specific?
Matt
Can I safely assume that all those complaining about the death of local shops and the power of the large retailers are always happy to buy everything at RRP, never shop around online for a better deal or get anything mail order which a local shop can't get in for them?
No CRC, Merlin, Wiggle etc?
I suspect that vast majority of people in this country are happy having [s]supermarkets[/s]Halfords over just [s]small shops.[/s]LBS
Can I safely assume that all those complaining about the death of local shops and the power of the large retailers are always happy to buy everything at RRP, never shop around online for a better deal or get anything mail order which a local shop can't get in for them?
Why would you assume that?
My little observation is that some of the big supermarkets are actually reducing their stock levels of fresh goods. I am seeing empty spaces on shelves no matter what time of day.
Nevertheless, there are mountains of anything cheap and processed.
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Can I safely assume that all those complaining about the death of local shops and the power of the large retailers are always happy to buy everything at RRP, never shop around online for a better deal or get anything mail order which a local shop can't get in for them?No CRC, Merlin, Wiggle etc?
No, but I do try and support the LBS where possible. I don't really get this idea that it has to be all or nothing or you're a hypocrite. Better to try and sometimes fail than to not try surely.
No, but I do try and support the LBS where possible. I don't really get this idea that it has to be all or nothing or you're a hypocrite. Better to try and sometimes fail than to not try surely.
My LBS is a chain...
I agree. Sometimes, it's nice to dash round the supermarket. Sometimes I want a speciality product or service they don't supply. It's nice to have the choice.grum - Member
No, but I do try and support the LBS where possible. I don't really get this idea that it has to be all or nothing or you're a hypocrite.
Taste wise, most stuff is bland at best.Trash in what way, care to be more specific?
Have you ever bought a strawberry from a supermarket? They'll bounce.
There are hundreds of different varieties of fruit in this country that just get pushed aside for the stuff that travels well. Oh and don't get me started on stuff that has to be the same shape and size.
Cucumbers will at best last a week in your fridge, taste of water nad be perfectly straight in shape.
I agree. Sometimes, it's nice to dash round the supermarket. Sometimes I want a speciality product or service they don't supply. It's nice to have the choice.
I'm quite happy for supermarkets to exist, I just think they have too much dominance/power/control over the market.
And we haven't even talked about the effect that supermarkets have on suppliers.
I'm quite happy for CRC/Merlin/Wiggle to exist, I just think they have too much power/control over the market.
And we haven't even talked about the effect that CRC/Merlin/Wiggle have on suppliers.
druidh - MemberI'm quite happy for CRC/Merlin/Wiggle to exist, I just think they have too much power/control over the market.
And we haven't even talked about the effect that CRC/Merlin/Wiggle have on suppliers.
Much the same applies to tesco does it not - indeed they probably distort the market more.
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DOH - read the thread properly
Well said Bunnyhop!
More and more is being grown in polytunnels. 🙁
I'm quite happy for CRC/Merlin/Wiggle to exist, I just think they have too much power/control over the market.And we haven't even talked about the effect that CRC/Merlin/Wiggle have on suppliers.
Er.... yes, I agree -not really sure what point you're trying to make here though.
As compared to what, boutique produce grown by the chap at the end of your road?Can he supply 60 million people?
See, I find I agree with Bunnyhop on fruit/veg longevity and quality. However, I got brought up in market garden territory and still know folk from the area. They always say that the supermarkets choose the best of the produce and the crap goes off to be wholesaled to the local markets.
Will a polytunnel get you shitfaced? No. Cheap booze in supermarkets 8)
The CRC/wiggle comparison is valid, but only to a point.
Both have vast power and control in their market.
The real problem is the power of the supermarkets outside of just their market; in lobbying and politics.
The big four employ nearly a million people. With nearly 3 million unemployed in the country, they have the government over a barrel.
Why do you think we, as taxpayers, subsidise their low wage employees whilst top end salaries and profits grow.
They're extending their influence into infrastructure, transport, education, finance, health and almost ever aspect of daily life.
That small batch of electronic automatic tills at the end of every check-out line is not just "a trial"; Its a gun at the head of the department of employment. They are too powerful.
Whenever I've bought strawberries they've varied hugely no matter where or when they were bought. Some of the best I've ever had were from Sainsbury's. Outstanding.
Our local Asda sells more local stuff than any of the other local places btw. And the meat from our Waitrose is fantastic.
There are plenty of absolutely shite small shops around. I don't think they deserve my patronage to be honest. There is also good food available in supermarkets despite what Bunny says.
Also plenty of absolutely awful LBSes too.
I think we are lucky, supermarkets in this country are excellent, they are remarkably nimble for such big companies, see how quickly they react to new influxes from particular regions by stocking their home specialities. It is impressive. That said, they do draw footfall the fundamental of any bricks and mortar retail operation from high streets, councils should have strategies to decrease this and perhaps, they could get money out of the supermarkets in exchange for planning permission to finance these.
Of course.There is also good food available in supermarkets despite what Bunny says.
However my experience of buying fruit and veg in a typical Tesco, Sainsbury's or Asda hasn't been the same as yours.
M&S o.k. Booth's o.k and Waitrose o.k. It just so happens our local food shops are very good.
Or the government could apply a special tax/levymefty - Member
they could get money out of the supermarkets in exchange for planning permission to finance these.