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I'm currently 8-8 every day in a vaccination centre in Ruislip - it's going really smoothly.
Loads of compliments on how well organised we are.
It's a bugger trying to find volunteers to do marshalling & greeting.
Youngest daughter is in charge of the vaccine push at local hospital trust and eldest daughter is working all the overtime she can sticking needles in people!
Proud of them both and we will get there.
My sisters optician and staff have had the first jab but my 81 yr old mum and my 80 yr old dad who’s isolating in a room in his care home for a month as a staff member had covid haven’t had a jab yet!
Thw logistics of care homes is being worked on
It’s a bugger trying to find volunteers to do marshalling & greeting.
What are all those who are still furloughed doing 🙄 Another example why I'm getting so very f***ed off with the vast majority of this country.
Waiting for the nightmare to end so they can bang out 8 weeks in a ski resort on all the unused AL...
It's looking like a million a week, so sorry to but it down to numbers but thats likely going to be the population some time next Christmas.
Might help by hanging anti-vaxxers.
It’s looking like a million a week, so sorry to but it down to numbers but thats likely going to be the population some time next Christmas.
The entire population won’t be getting it though.
My reading is...
Once the over 70s, people at high risk because of other morbidity and staff in high risk jobs have been vaccinated the hospitalisation rates and death rates will drop off massively. By the time all over 50s have been done we will more or less back to normal
If the vaccination also has an impact on transmission effect will be even quicker
So it is a massive undertaking but with organisation, competence and will mountains can be moved
Seems that high risk healthcare workers are now included – got a text this morning and booked in for first shot on Tues
👍
Olddog competence is where the wheels seem to fall off with this government. Just maybe with their mates not being involved we may stand a fighting chance as the professionals get to grips with things.
Once the over 70s, people at high risk because of other morbidity and staff in high risk jobs have been vaccinated the hospitalisation rates and death rates will drop off massively. By the time all over 50s have been done we will more or less back to normal
Agree, although there are 30 million people ager over 50 + a few million in high risk jobs so getting towards the 70% needed for herd immunity anyway.
I would estimate that is about a year away by which time it all has to be done again.
I would estimate that is about a year away by which time it all has to be done again.
It’s not been established how long the protection lasts. It may not need to be annual even if it needs repeating.
After a year of doing it don’t you think the system might be a bit better than in its first few weeks?
No cause for gloom about next December yet is all I’m saying!
What are all those who are still furloughed doing 🙄 Another example why I’m getting so very f***ed off with the vast majority of this country.
Speaking for us, my wife was furloughed but now redundant. Although she’s looking for jobs we are increasingly thinking that over the next year with the kids online learning from school situation it may be better for her to remain jobless and us live on my wages to manage the situation. I imagine other parents are thinking the same.
I think his point was those on furlough could be standing around freezing and wet in a car park for the good of the country
You know, like Lord Kitchener would want people to do 🙂
It’s a bugger trying to find volunteers to do marshalling & greeting.
Put out an appeal for some performers. A few singers marshalling and performing. The odd actor. This is their time. Add some musicians for good measure.
I’m living this daily at the moment rolling out the vaccine programme in my area
Vaccine - The vaccine has its complications, where it can be transported, how it has to be handled, who can prescribe it.
Estate - Has to be clinical grade so means lots of change for many locations + as highlighted above many locations are private owned and wanting to charge silly silly money.
Workforce- hard to come by. NHS is short staffed as is. Getting medical staff is proving hard.
IT - Because it’s a 2 dose vaccine it needs a patient record creating, and IT infrastructure. Anybody got a few 1000 devices going spare?
Some issues will reduce as different vaccines come online but not all.
I genuinely think some sites and logistics should commandeered by the government, and staff on furlough brought in to help. Should go down well too with all the lefty’s on here 😁
I'm finishing the last bits of paperwork tonight so I can be one of the vaccinators. Passed all tests/checks, prior experience put me in the "wanted" group.
Just got to do about 8 mini exams, download PDF certs then upload them, and I should then be good to go.
Boss has also been amazing regards flexibility to allow me to cover shifts at vaccination Centre.
One of the big things I think hasn't been pushed proactively enough is that airline cabin crew are all experienced in administering injections and have exceptionally high level first aid training. They're on the "wanted" list, have the right skills, but don't appear to have been really directly approached. With all the reduction in air traffic, I'd have thought the people in charge of the vaccination programme would have liaised with the airlines.
Good work Andy.
One of the big things I think hasn’t been pushed proactively enough is that airline cabin crew are all experienced in administering injections
that’s not really a very large workforce though - I’m sure they could help but they’d make a very small dent nationally
One of the big things I think hasn’t been pushed proactively enough is that airline cabin crew are all experienced in administering injections
When you say experienced is that a loose use of the word?
I genuinely think some sites and logistics should commandeered by the government, and staff on furlough brought in to help.
I agree.
The flight attendants thing might be helpful - I'll suggest it. Since we're near Heathrow it could be a goer.
When you say experienced is that a loose use of the word?
The rules (at least for this) say you can be a vaccinator with zero clinical experience if you're overseen for the first 3.
I think 🙂 I'm getting a bit weary...
When you say experienced is that a loose use of the word?
Nope. Every single cabin crew member undertakes theoretical and practical training in this and more, with annual recertification and pre flight randomised questions before every flight.
anyone who can bleed brakes using a syringe can administer an injection, shame the bike shops are so busy
As an ex-military airline captain with very little work for the next few 6 months I would be keen to help with the vaccination programme. Where do I sign up?
for all the cocknockery this place is flipping ace at times. well done fellas!
anyone who can bleed brakes using a syringe can administer an injection, shame the bike shops are so busy
Flicking around the nipple can help get those last stubborn bubbles out.
Flicking around the nipple
I think that might be problematic with the "treating patients with dignity" bit..... 😂😂😂
Yeah, but they want the vaccine a lot, so they're not going to complain when I turn them upside down, add some oil, and hit them with a spanner.
Honestly a bit mystified as to why it's volunteers at all. Seems to me like it's an actual proper job with responsibilities and training and it's a little bit important. Might sound petty but, I don't like this government getting ideas about delivering critical services via volunteers, that's a slippery slope especially as we progress further into recession and unemployment rises and they'll be waxing their sledges...
I'm assuming that, at 39, unemployed and with no health issues that I'll never be vaccinated?
Thanks for the link @andyrm I’ve just applied. Fire service so plenty of first aid type experience as well as talking to old people! Worth a bash!
Honestly a bit mystified as to why it’s volunteers at all. Seems to me like it’s an actual proper job with responsibilities and training and it’s a little bit important. Might sound petty but, I don’t like this government getting ideas about delivering critical services via volunteers, that’s a slippery slope especially as we progress further into recession and unemployment rises and they’ll be waxing their sledges…
Believe me, the application process has bedn rigorous and multi staged, there's also then the 8 online training sessions and accompanying tests, then on the job training / supervision when you are starting.
Yes, I agree that longer term there needs to be thought about how we train and create employment to support the health service and not slip into everything being done by people out of a sense of societal duty, but right now, I think that's a less important issue than getting the rollout done.
Certainly I view it that as I have the requisite skills and experience to help, it's my moral obligation to do so.
The rules (at least for this) say you can be a vaccinator with zero clinical experience if you’re overseen for the first 3.
Are you sure ? That’s not the guidance we are working to. A PDG agreement has just come which has made things easier. Has to be a registered health care professional (unless the guidance has changed...again)
Thanks for the link @andyrm I’ve just applied. Fire service so plenty of first aid type experience as well as talking to old people! Worth a bash!
Nice one 👍
It's easy to get focused on the "should /would/could" of the government's handling of COVID19, but this evening is proof that there's people who can help, who may not have realised they could - 2 new applications in a couple of hours.
It would be awesome if as many of us as possible shared the recruitment link on our social media etc. Imagine how many more could potentially be found.
Who are we looking for?
To perform in one of these roles:
You do not need to be a current NHS healthcare professional, as full training will be provided.
Please note, you will need healthcare experience for the Healthcare Professional and Clinical Supervisor roles – only vaccine specific training is provided.
You will need to show commitment and willingness to complete the appropriate learning and development courses as required, to demonstrate the right capabilities for the positions. This will include vaccine training, administration training and NHS statutory and mandatory training.
Working as part of a team (including experienced clinicians) and as a strong communicator with good people skills, you will be able to discuss relevant information with service users, displaying empathy and reassurance at all times.
You will also be expected to maintain and record accurate documentation of interactions between clients, colleagues, and other relevant agencies to ensure the smooth running of the service.
What will you be doing?
You will take part in comprehensive training including rigorous supervision and assessments for vaccinators. Once you are fully vetted and trained, with the relevant compliance and checks completed, you will be responsible for performing and/or supervising the following:
Set up/configuration of the vaccination station
Drawing up and preparation of the vaccine prior to administration
Vaccine administration, using the National Protocol
Disposal of clinical waste and change of PPE as per national guidelines
Adherence to infection control practices between individuals
andyrm
Free MemberBelieve me, the application process has bedn rigorous and multi staged, there’s also then the 8 online training sessions and accompanying tests, then on the job training / supervision when you are starting.
Ah, not implying that volunteers won't do as good a job as paid people; just saying it ought to be paid. If anything deserves it, this does.
As for it being a moral obligation to help when you can; good on you, and as an individual that's fantastic but like I say it's not a thought process I trust our government with. Because just about every critical job that someone gets paid for, can have the same thing said about it. Not enough teachers? Well, you over there, unemployed teacher- you have the requisite skills and experience to help and it's your moral obligation to do so.
As for it being a moral obligation to help when you can; good on you, and as an individual that’s fantastic but like I say it’s not a thought process I trust our government with. Because just about every critical job that someone gets paid for, can have the same thing said about it. Not enough teachers? Well, you over there, unemployed teacher- you have the requisite skills and experience to help and it’s your moral obligation to do so.
100% with you on this! And believe me, I'll be bloody delighted come election time to vote these useless ****ers out.
Definitely agree that there's scope to misuse people's commitment to society in any vocational type role - and I hope to God that this year creates some sort of change longer term.
Definitely agree that there’s scope to misuse people’s commitment to society in any vocational type role – and I hope to God that this year creates some sort of change longer term.
that would encompass our approach to at the least teaching and healthcare sectors over the past 20 years if not longer IMO.
edit: i wonder if this thread is panning out like the OP hoped? 🙂
Edit - ignore managed to find link
I genuinely think some sites and logistics should commandeered by the government, and staff on furlough brought in to help. Should go down well too with all the lefty’s on here
Good idea at a time of national emergency. Drive home that a functioning economy requires a healthy population.
Ah, not implying that volunteers won’t do as good a job as paid people; just saying it ought to be paid. If anything deserves it, this does.
If we insist on selecting from furloughed employees they are being paid, maybe offer a 10% top-up as an incentive, it's the free-market way.
Nope. Every single cabin crew member undertakes theoretical and practical training in this and more, with annual recertification and pre flight randomised questions before every flight.
As I thought. Trained in injections not exactly experienced. Very easy to train people up for IM injections and the vaccine regulations and covid vaccine questions are straight forward though. So yes possibly not a bad idea if they are low on healthcare staff. Unsurprisingly though there’s been a big interest from healthcare staff helping out.
I registered, started the application, then it told me as I have no formal medical qualifications I need to apply via the non-nhs pathway. I can’t find anything anywhere for that. Shame.