[Closed] Godd calories, bad calories, or just calories?

Oh dear lord make these threads stop 🙂

Watch the tubs video and make your own minds up

...and although I go on about it almost as much as you go on about iDave, I still find the thought and sight of the most well fed, well supplied, well optioned, well medicined people in the whole wide world chundering on about which calories to eat or not to eat to avoid them being fat bastards to be more than a little distasteful...

What a bizarre thing to say. As far as I'm aware it's not iDave's fault that kids are dying of starvation in Africa. 😕

Pedant. A calorie is the energy to heat one gram (not a litre) of water by one degree.

in the context of food, it's the Kcal that is used i.e 1 kilo of water.

[i]As far as I'm aware it's not iDave's fault that kids are dying of starvation in Africa.[/i]

Which is why I didn't say it. But do carry on.

to go back to OP how about a banana or apple? or low fat / low cal yoghurt? Granary roll and low fat cheese spread?

Muesli is ok but some are full of sugar and saturated fats especially the "crunchy" ones - i don't buy Jordans so not sure

As far as I'm aware it's not iDave's fault that kids are dying of starvation in Africa.

Which is why I didn't say it. But do carry on.

So what was your point again? That thinking about what you eat is morally wrong?

Glutens bad for you?

Cooked meat is as well. ****, I'm loving the uninformed opinions in this thread.

[i]So what was your point again? That thinking about what you eat is morally wrong? [/i]

I made my point further back in the thread. You appear to have a problem interpreting it, which is not my problem. 😉

I am having trouble interpreting it yup, on the face of it it seems non-sensical and ridiculous, but if you're not up for explaining....

[i]I am having trouble interpreting it yup, on the face of it it seems bizarre and ridiculous, but if you're not up for explaining....[/i]

Not to you, no.

According to many

we are in a position to figure out why we ... feel a little bloated after a big meal etc etc.

Because we're greedy knackers who eat too much.

HTH.

I think I'm with the prophet TJ on this.

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I'm loving the uninformed opinions in this thread

Read my post again.

just eaten fried liver, mushrooms, green beans and corn on the cob.

good calories or bad calories........... 😆

I'm confused. Bacon roll or Jordan's tomorrow? Which will murder me to death quicker?

Me, I'd have the bacon roll.

I'd just like you all to know ive entertained a client whilst drinking 3 pints of Honeydew. I'm about to get a chinese takeaway on the way home.

I shall consider the advice herein and let you know what my decision was after I've settled into work with my bacon roll tomorrow.

Ps. My current thought process may be affected by mind altering substances.

If you're getting a Chinese takeaway I don't think what you have for breakfast is going to matter too much.

Mmmmm.... MSG....

Its OK, I went via an alternative route, bypassed the MSG and am sitting here eating an oaty biscuit.

[i]If you're getting a Chinese takeaway I don't think what you have for breakfast is going to matter too much.

Mmmmm.... MSG....[/i]

Which is kind of my point, grum.

I'm suggesting that in a society like ours, where we have so much choice, so many options, so much opportunity and inspiration with regard to food, where food has become so much more than a source of calories, this constant angst about what to eat is, to my mind, distasteful.

I've just been to the chip shop, so am feeling the warm glow of gravy.

this constant angst about what to eat is, to my mind, distasteful

It's not angst. At least not here. It's about science. I'm not agonising over moral choices, I just don't want to be fat.

That's surely not distasteful, is it?

I was trying to think of something that would be distasteful, but I just can't, beyond nasty jokes.

3 (obviously simplified, for the hard of thinking) options:

i. Be careful about what you eat and stay trim.
ii. Eat what you want and turn into a biffer.
iii. Eat what you want and [b]HTFU[/b] and burn it off.

Option 3 wins for me every time. Eat good food, eat crap food, drink lots of beer, vino and whisky...

Then lay down the pain on the bike. Not cake and pie between downhill pootles pain. Sweating your lungs out and don't think I'll ever move again without throwing my ring up pain.

Or moderation in all things, whatever.

Ok, maybe it's me being a knob.

I seem to be surrounded by people, not just here, but at work and on the telly who are so concerned with something that seems only to be a problem because there is too much of it.

I'll shut up.

😛

[b]ton[/b] - Member
just eaten fried liver, mushrooms, green beans and corn on the cob.

good calories or bad calories...........

We had chicken, onion, courgette, sugar snap peas, mange tout, carrot, shredded cabbage, garlic, bean sprouts. Fried the chicken breast chunks, then chucked the veg in the pan in layers on top of it, sprinkled with ground cumin, coriander and paprika and drizzled some soy sauce and lemon juice on top and left it steaming while we got the kids to bed.

Hand a plateful. Absolutely lush and [i]definitely[/i] good calories 🙂

Ok, maybe it's me being a knob.
I seem to be surrounded by people, not just here, but at work and on the telly who are so concerned with something that seems only to be a problem because there is too much of it.
I'll shut up.

I still don't really get it. I mean, yes it's obscene that we have an obesity problem in the western world when millions are starving, but I really struggle with seeing how that make it distasteful to talk about healthy eating. Seems a very bizarre cognitive leap.

Today for lunch I had..

Pan fried scallops with a carrot and apply puree and pork crackling.
Fillet steak in a fancy mushroom sauce with green beans spinach and mash.
Chocolate tarte with salted caramel ice cream.

Each and every calorie was fantastic. So good I could've licked the plates.

iii. Eat what you want and HTFU and burn it off

Aarrghh.. must not bite... argh...

I've just been to the chip shop, so am feeling the warm glow of gravy

I'd be interested in what Mick Ives eats. That's how I want to be at his age.

[i]but I really struggle with seeing how that make it distasteful to talk about healthy eating. Seems a very bizarre cognitive leap[/i]

Maybe I'm not quite getting across what I mean, and perhaps I can't. It seems strange/bizarre/discomfiting/insert unsettling word of your choice to be so obsessed/concerned/over interested/insert word of your choice meaning 'thinking lots about' the kind of food we eat when the basic problem is that we consume too much (and probably do too little although that is yet another argument).

Anyway, as I said, I'll shut up.

Aarrghh.. [b]must not bite...[/b] argh...

Eh? Why not?

Ahhh... It's not on the plan?

the basic problem is that we consume too much (and probably do too little although that is yet another argument

The basic problem is that we consume too much yup, but why? For many people it has a lot to do with the type of food we eat in the first place (and the massive marketing/availability/cheapness of unhealthy food). I'm guessing it's not a problem for you.

[i]I'm guessing it's not a problem for you. [/i]

Er... Yes, it can be a problem for me, but I deal with it by not eating as much and trying to do lots of exercise. I appreciate that there is research that shows that this is not a workable solution for everyone, but it's a straightforward way of me dealing with my 'problems'.

I'm shutting up in a minute, honest.

I do think that a large percentage of the over weight issues we see are people simply consuming too much. I see evidence of this daily at work; people who work with me regularly, predictably, sadly, put on 1-2-3 stones in their first 2-3-4 years of work. It's because we have 3 meal breaks a day, and people eat 3 full meals a day. They're not 'hungry' in any physiological sense because they don't do that much physical work, but they all feel obliged/pressured or just plain 'it's eating time, I must eat' so they do.

The role of food in our society has long since stopped being about fuelling, it's now social, bonding, comforting, and so on. The pressure to eat biscuits with coffee, sweets at Christmas, cake on someones birthday and so on all adds to the underlying misery.

iDave, and curse me for mentioning it again, is one way of addressing this, but it's not getting to the root of the problem, which in my opinion is too much food, not the type of food we eat.

or maybe we're sold too much of the wrong type of food

i mean who in god's name thinks it's a great idea to feed cereal coated in chocolate to kids in the morning?

The world's largest diet study disagrees with you crikey. And anecdotally, I find I get much less hungry when I don't eat much bread, pasta, sugary food etc in the first place. I agree it's partly cultural (and marketing driven) as well.

the world's largest diet study:

" If you want to lose weight or avoid gaining weight, you should cut down on finely refined starch calories such as white bread and white rice and instead eat a diet that is high in proteins with more lean meat, low-fat dairy products and beans."

[i]or maybe we're sold too much of the wrong type of food[/i]

Yes, but that implies that we have no choice but to buy it. We, ( that's a Royal we) have a messed up relationship with food, which is largely a result of it becoming so plentiful.

iDave - Member
i mean who in god's name thinks it's a great idea to feed cereal coated in chocolate to kids in the morning?

Yes, but that implies that we have no choice but to buy it.

I'm not disagreeing with you crikey. people don't give a shit about their own health. then want bailing out when it goes wonky. unfortunately when people do want to do something about it, they are faced with a huge amount of mis-information, snake oil and faddy foods like grains that we've only been eating for around 10,000 years 😉

It's interesting research grum, but it ignores the last few hundred years of history; the only reason we are here now in the Western world is because of a surfeit of high carb foods that could be cheaply and easily produced.

Obesity is a disease of excess; given enough time, one could become obese on the iDave diet; I suspect it works in part because of the effort required to produce as a meal.

My point is that we need to consume less as individuals, and that's the tough part.