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Why on earth wouldn't you feel compassion for a smoker who, say, came home and found his house burnt to the ground whilst his dog and daughter were in it (assuming an unattended cigarette didn't start the blaze)....
That's stupid, obviously anyone would feel compassion for someone in that instance.
I was saying I wouldn't feel compassion for someone who smokes and as a result of the smoking ends up with cancer etc. In the same way I wouldn't feel compassion for a drunk driver who drives off a cliff. Maybe I didn't make that clear.
Would you feel compassion for a mountain biker who crashed his bike and died?
[i]I was saying I wouldn't feel compassion for someone who smokes and as a result of the smoking ends up with cancer etc. In the same way I wouldn't feel compassion for a drunk driver who drives off a cliff. Maybe I didn't make that clear. [/i]
And if that someone was a friend of yours would you feel any compassion then or are you never going to have any friends/loved ones who smoke ?
And if that someone was a friend of yours would you feel any compassion then or are you never going to have any friends/loved ones who smoke ?
Some of my friends do smoke. If/when it kills them it will be their fault, although I would miss them.
Would you feel compassion for a mountain biker who crashed his bike and died?
Yes, because IMO mountain biking isn't stupid.
Yes, because IMO mountain biking isn't stupid.
But it's an activity that comes with the risk of serious injury or death.
Interesting how you feel it's ok to pick and choose which activities you consider worthy of compassion, should a person suffer as a result of enjoying them.
Interesting how you feel it's ok to pick and choose which activities you consider worthy of compassion, should a person suffer as a result of enjoying them.
Interesting that peoples emotions come about the way they see the situation? Hardly. I didn't realise everyone had to feel the same about everything.
Mountain biking does come with risk, but it does give you rewards that make it worth it. There are no rewards to smoking or drink diving, or ones too tiny to acknowledge.
There are no rewards to smoking
The outrage of the self-righteous is more than sufficient reward...
I didn't realise everyone had to feel the same about everything.
Quite.
So you only smoke to prove something to other people?
Well, no, you weren't very clear. Also, try drugs. They are very rewarding.....
..... 🙂
No I smoke because I enjoy it.
Strange concept I know.
The fact that sanctimonious types like yourself get worked up about it is an added bonus.
People do stuff that may be bad for them. It's their choice. Not yours. So don't lose sleep over it, eh?
Also, try drugs. They are very rewarding
He's got a point you know. You're a student aren't you? Eeh, when I were your age, I was into all sorts. Acid was the best by far though. Amazing.
You can get face-aids off bad acid.
'Worst' Acid trip I ever did was like being in a Keith Haring painting, but I was with a girl I'd been going out with but had grown to resent. Still, not too bad mind. The best one; was in a field near Dagenham, and the ****ing pylons started dancing. Even though it was pitch black and I couldn't see them. Well mad that one.
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Ahh, Ketamine- now that can't be good for you. 😮
Drugs eh? Perhaps Simon shouldn't throw stones from his glass house?
Heh -I was not wishing cancer on anyone - just pointing out that their own actions are likely to get them in the future. Obviously I was grossly generalising, so sorry for that, but there have been many times when I was wound up by smokers near me. Things are one heck of a lot better now at least.
And whatever I get up to in the rainforest is well away from any other inhabitation and also very organic 🙂
I was saying I wouldn't feel compassion for someone who smokes and as a result of the smoking ends up with cancer etc
I would.
Few bad decisions as a youngster puts you in the grip of something terrible.. you struggle to quit and then end up forfeiting your life. Yeah, I would and do feel compassion there.
Never fails to amaze me how many roughty toughty blokes are like delicate little flowers when it comes to a bit of ciggie smoke... Bless.
Cockney midgets are much more annoying... 🙂
I used to get the neighbours' smoke coming through under the joists in my old semi; drove me potty as they seemed to continually smoke and used to resort to leaving the window open all year round. They weren't the type who would have understood a quiet word, so couldn't do much. It only goes when you move, I'm afraid.
[i]brings out all the anti smoking facists! [/i]
what like the consultants, doctors and macmillan nurses etc you mean? 🙄
The best one.....
Driving round the grounds of Blenheim Palace at night..... holy **** those gates!!!!.... and the palace!!!..... must've been a hundred miles tall....
Are they tenants? - get in touch with the landlord, it usually does the trick. Might even be worth a bit of exaggeration if you want to get them kicked out - why should you move?
'Honky fags?'
This could have had the makings of an epic thread... 😀
Oh well.
We live in an ex-council semi. We can smell next doors fag smoke though the walls sometimes. (Walls are old style shuttered concrete jobbies - very thick & strong as hell, but quite porous). It drives the Wife mad. But being serious for a moment, what the hell can really be done ? We cant force them not to smoke in their own home. Can also smell when they are cooking, because they deep-fry everything, & I mean everything. Even "roast" spuds go in this machine of artery clogging death.
That aside the old chap has a habit of burping as lod as he can. He must have a bowel condition because he goes off like this every 10 mins or so. And then there is the way he has to go way OTT thwnever he coughs or sneezes.
I keep meaning to investigate if there is some kind of membrane we could install when we redecorate.
Any building experts in ?
teef - MemberAre they tenants? - get in touch with the landlord, it usually does the trick. Might even be worth a bit of exaggeration if you want to get them kicked out - why should you move?
You sound like a nice person.
If you live in a place where someone may be affected by your noise during evenings/nights you should aim to minimise it. It's common courtesy. However if you work shifts then you're less able to complain about noises during the day - most people don't work shifts.
We have neighbours who choose to ruin at least 1 of my relaxing nights a week by playing music pretty loud, loud enough that I can hear it over my TV even with the TV on fairly loud. I've come close to murder twice, but ultimately it means that should I need to be noisy for some reason (party/film on 5.1) I can and they have no grounds for complaint. It still annoys the hell out of me that they are noisy so regularly, it's a complete lack of thought for others.
Also, what's with people slamming doors at night? I mean surely everyone in their house is woken up too? Why not just use your brain and your hand, turn the handle and close it gently - it doesnt take much.
You sound like a nice person.
While I agree that does sound a bit unpleasant, the question is why should the person who is doing nothing to disturb their neighbours be upset by people who do things that are clearly upsetting their neighbours (noisy people, for example). However in this case they may not even know the smell comes up, and probably can't smell themselves anymore anyway.
We had this with our neighbours downstairs, they are Romanian so they smoke strange Euro cigs, there are either too many of them living there or they are having friends round very often so there are a lot of cigs being smoked down there.
We knocked and politely said we could smell the smoke in our flat, is there anything you can do to try and reduce how much comes up the stairs. The next day they put a heavy curtain over their front door to keep the airflow down, and only smoke in the garden in good weather, or in their front room with the door shut. Even when we are out they do it, I came home last night and they were full on leaning out of the window to have a smoke.
They still make loads of noise at times that annoy me, but Im sure I make loads of noise at times that annoy them, that's fair enough as far as I'm concerned.
You sound like a nice person.
You sound like a person whose never had bad neighbours
coffeeking - MemberWhile I agree that does sound a bit unpleasant, the question is why should the person who is doing nothing to disturb their neighbours be upset by people who do things that are clearly upsetting their neighbours (noisy people, for example). However in this case they may not even know the smell comes up, and probably can't smell themselves anymore anyway.
In a perfect world we would have perfect neighbours, unfortunately it isn't and we don't
I am in full support of the OP dilemma it drives you bonkers when your neighbours are loud and for a non smoker it must be a bit of a mare. However lying to a landlord to get an eviction as suggested above that prompted my comment is so out of line (probably more so than the neighbours being loud and smoking)
teef - MemberYou sound like a person whose never had bad neighbours
If only that were true, I have had some complete shockers in my time, moved to my current house mainly because of 2 bad neighbours. Didn't mean I needed to get revenge though just sorted the situation out myself.
If only that were true, I have had some complete shockers in my time, moved to my current house mainly because of 2 bad neighbours. Didn't mean I needed to get revenge though just sorted the situation out myself.
Why should you move - it's the neighbours causing the problem. Where you bullied at school?
rOcKeTdOg - Member"brings out all the anti smoking facists!"
what like the consultants, doctors and macmillan nurses etc you mean?
You don't tend to hear them moaning about a few wiffs of tobacco smoke like you do on here.
IThere is this complaint - that people are smoking in their own flat. Repeated complaints about people smoking in beer gardens and on th street
FFS - get a life. I am now an ex smoker and I don't moan about others smnoking!
I still maintain that smoke should not be coming from one flat to another. Think of the smoke / fire risk. Something is badly wrong with the building for this to happen
Nope not bullied at school, well apart from the time I bucked the trend of black shoes and got brown ones instead which were way to out there for the playground.
I had annoying neighbours, they annoyed me by going about their daily business in a loud and unthoughtful way however it is their life and they are entitled to live it how they want to, just like you and I are entitled to do whatever we like (within reason)
I could of kicked off I could of used violence instead I moved to a much nicer area with a much nicer house in the middle of beautiful countryside.
Turns out the annoying neighbours were the catalyst I needed to improve my own life 🙂
'Worst' Acid trip .................... Well mad that one
Cool story.
Few bad decisions as a youngster puts you in the grip of something terrible.. you struggle to quit and then end up forfeiting your life. Yeah, I would and do feel compassion there.
Maybe 20 or more years ago, but not now. The complete foolishness of smoking is made too obvious nowadays in school, from an early age. People only smoke for two reasons, because they think it makes them look cool, or because they're addicted. And they only start for one of those reasons.