Melenchon appeals to the People on the left, green etc... But he is loaded, lives in a massive flat in the richest Paris subburb. It is not compatible with traditional socialiste values.
Macron has managed to destroy both traditional left and right. It was obvious both extrêmes would be high.
After the président we vote for mps and Lepen Will never get a majority to form a gouvernement. That would be a real mess, more than it is now.
Macron has managed to destroy both traditional left and right
With a little help from les François Hollande and Fillon.
But he is loaded, lives in a massive flat in the richest Paris subburb. It is not compatible with traditional socialiste values.
You believe traditional socialist values demand that people should be poor?
I couldnt care less but for people over 60 who voted socialiste hé is not the right candidate.
No, just not hypocritical money hoarders. He isn't the République however loud he shouts that he is.
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Free Memberit seems Melenchon has suffered from the same issues as Corbyn
…including the public not voting for him.
LOL. He got 1% less than Le Pen and 5% less than Macron. You're making the same error for both politicians here- confusing outright performance with voting. The french system means that the 1% difference turns Melanchon's 22% into outright defeat and Le Pen's 23% into being one of the 2 winners, but it certainly doesn't mean he's not getting votes.
(in exactly the same way that Corbyn's 40% in 2017 got 40% of seats but May's 42% got 49% of seats enabling her to form a government. And of course Johnston scored a "landslide majority" with, er, 43.6% of the vote while "nobody voted for Corbyn" with 32%- because FPTP turns Johnston's 43.6% votes into 56% of seats and Corbyn's 32% into 31% of seats, and the Lib Dem's 11.6% of votes into 1.7% of seats. In allrecent elections it was about FPTP.)
Basically, in both cases the system made the result rather than the vote, and then makes the result look absolutely decisive. The suggestion that the public was "not voting" for either Melanchon or Corbyn is just wrong. And thinking of Melanchon as an obliterated loser because the system makes it so, is exactly the sort of thing that leads to Le Pens being potential winners and Brexits happening- we forget about the real votes and real voters that get hidden by electoral systems- I would say disenfranchised, others would argue but when you're dismissing 22% of voters there's a problem.
It is very concerning that Le Pen and Zemmour polled more than 30% combined.
I don't know the relationship between the two parties - I hope there is no danger (or there are rules preventing it) of Zemmour pulling out to gift vote share to Le Pen (a la Farage-Johnson).
Let's hope the French reject this spiteful brand of politics which seems new and exciting to some, but is actually as old as the hills and no less dangerous than 80-90 years ago.
Come on, France - walk the walk - Liberté, égalité, fraternité.
Did you vote for Mélenchon, Ernie? You must have at least as many of these as me if you did military service:
No, just not hypocritical money hoarders.
Socialists shouldn't have any savings?
Where did this money he's been hoarding come from - he was teacher before full-time politics wasn't he? Do you know what he's worth?
1.4 million euros, not bad for an ex-history teacher.
Dunno about the media in France, but in the UK they've done a grand job of convincing people that there is no difference between left/socialist/communist/marxist... the words seem to be almost interchangeable.
1.4 million euros, not bad for an ex-history teacher.
Yeah seems a lot for a history teacher, have you got a link to a reliable source to show that is what he is worth?
If he is indeed worth that much the source of unexplained wealth should be of intense interest to his political enemies, presumably it has been thoroughly researched?
I think it is family money. Nothing dodgy about it.
Yeah seems a lot for a history teacher,
To put this into perspective, thats only £1.1 million total worth.
At his age he's probably had some inheritance, and say he already has a 500k house from buying cheap in the right area, and a spouse contributing jointly with a resonable income...
..all of a sudden it doesn't seem too crazy, especially if hes held down a steady wage and modest savings all his life?
I think it is family money. Nothing dodgy about it.
Well that's good to hear. Dodgy money would obviously be at odds with socialist values.
I agree with this.
All the candidates have to declare what they are worth so just about any main stream source will be reliable, Ernie:
The origin is his political carreer:
The most lucrative being Euro deputé
Un mandat lui aussi très rémunérateur puisqu'un élu du Parlement de Strasbourg touche 12.800 euros brut par mois.
Local politicians get somewhat less
Un conseiller départemental dans un département comme l'Essonne touche entre 2.661 euros et 3.725 euros selon qu'il est conseiller de base ou vice-président.
"hoard" was the word I used.
This is what makes LePen dangerous
shes campaigning on cost of living
a russian gas embargo would send prices through the roof for everyone, in UK too- Martin Lewis this week warned that could lead to rioting, and we are much less inclined to it than the Gilet Jaunes etc
this way she is supporting Putin and appealing to those who are struggling
Marine Le Pen says she opposes sanctions on Russian gas
Oof. Nice to see Le Pen take another beating. She (or one of that family of scumbags) will be back of course.
Phew!
If the trend continues 2027 election will be a knife edge result; in 2017 it was 66-34, this time the projection is 58-42.
I think Le Pen will be back.
42% of French voters voting for a far right bigot isn't much to celebrate imo. Sure it could have been worse but it is a measure of how broken western representative democracy is to see it as some sort of victory.
It doesnt work like that. Melenchon will be higher and Macron wont go for 3.
42% of French voters voting for a far right bigot isn’t much to celebrate imo. Sure it could have been worse but it is a measure of how broken western representative democracy is to see it as some sort of victory.
Yes - a chunk of that will be an "Anti-Macron" vote rather than a "pro Le pen" vote, but those are scary numbers. It makes judging your protest vote at the next election much trickier - just look at Brexit...
Phew!
You think a country being forced to vote for a status quo centrist candidate who has done nothing for working people is a good thing?
42% of French voters voting for a far right bigot isn’t much to celebrate imo. Sure it could have been worse but it is a measure of how broken western representative democracy is to see it as some sort of victory.
Eh? You can only have one president. What system would you prefer to see?
You think a country being forced to vote for a status quo centrist candidate who has done nothing for working people is a good thing?
Who was forced? Or are you just ignoring the first round?
Lesser of two evils. My French colleagues and friends have been complaining about the lack of choice for the last 2 elections.
Let's not forget Le Pen is nasty racist bastard with an awful record. My Moroccan friend has to regularly put up with her influence on the hard of thinking in Paris.
It makes judging your protest vote at the next election much trickier
Well the good news is that in the UK the Tories and Labour appear to broadly agree on most issues, the main difference appears to be implementation and competence, so the choices don't appear to be as stark as they were today in France.
Well macron beat the pollsters, by quite a margin
Relief across Europe
The Tory voters that wanted her to win will be gutted, shame
In some ways they don't need to win, the Farages and Le Pen's of this world win by dragging mainstream parties to the right.
Who was forced?
The size of macron’s victory is clearly a result of left wing voters voting against Le Pen with gritted teeth (as they always were going to do). No doubt macron will spin this as a vote in support of his pro-elite/anti-working people agenda when the opposite is true. Next time he may not be able to rely on the left to bail him (or his centrist replacement) out.
He can't run next time - two terms max isn't it?
Is the result good or bad?
How do people know Le Pen is no good if they don't give her a chance? Yes, she is seen as right wing but in a democracy surely everyone can be voted in/out if she is that "racist".
Not sure why people are so afraid of voting so called "right wing" candidates, it is not as if they can install themselves (herself) forever.
How do people know Le Pen is no good if they don’t give her a chance?
Yeah, she might one of those benevolent nazis.
Not sure why people are so afraid of voting so called “right wing” candidates, if it not as if they can install themselves forever.
That is top drawer trolling right there. Or utter stupidity, difficult to tell. Now where's that meme with the lad out of futurama gone...
How do people know Le Pen is no good if they don’t give her a chance?
Because history tells us bad shit happens when you have right-wing extremist leaders in power?
Yeah, she might one of those benevolent nazis.
She might be nationalistic but I doubt she can behave like nazis. No one is that foolish.
That is top drawer trolling right there. Or utter stupidity, difficult to tell. Now where’s that meme with the lad out of futurama gone…
How do you know she is no good if she is not even in power to govern? Where is the proof that she will be nasty? She can easily be kicked out in a term if she tries to be nasty.
Because history tells us bad shit happens when you have right-wing extremist leaders in power?
When was the last time they have "right-wing extremist leaders"? Napoleon Bonaparte? Is he right-wing extremist or nationalist?
The size of macron’s victory is clearly a result of left wing voters voting against Le Pen with gritted teeth (as they always were going to do).
Not really. A majority voted for Le Pen or not at all.
Not sure why people are so afraid of voting so called “right wing” candidates, it is not as if they can install themselves (herself) forever.
You might want to do a bit of research into what happened after (checks notes) Adolph Hitler was elected in Germany....
Or look at Russia for a more recent example
You might want to do a bit of research into what happened after (checks notes) Adolph Hitler was elected in Germany….
Or look at Russia for a more recent example
How can France be compared to Germany or Russia?
France actually executed their King! (UK did as well)
Now that Le Penn has had to pay back all that money to Putin
the FN are in a lot of trouble
also of note that the Putin & Orban loving Prime Minister Janez Jansa got booted out today too
Vlad having a bad day at the polls
Now that Le Penn has had to pay back all that money to Putin
the FN are in a lot of trouble
also of note that the Putin & Orban loving Prime Minister Janez Jansa got booted out today too
Vlad having a bad day at the polls
Looks like one set of ideology ("right" if that is an ideology) is getting a good kicking?
She might be nationalistic but I doubt she can behave like nazis. No one is that foolish.
**cough** friend of Trump, friend of the Brexies, friend of destabilisation everywhere, Vlad P **cough**
(Well he’s certainly looking a bit like a latter day Führer)
PS - Russia also (just like France and GB - or maybe England, it was never really clear) killed their monarch.
France actually executed their King! (UK did as well)
Whereas Tsar Nicholas the Second lived to a ripe old age, yeah?
Whereas Tsar Nicholas the Second lived to a ripe old age, yeah?
We all know what that the Bolshevik did to his family but I am focusing on EU/UK rather than the Russia.
Is monarchy right wing?
**cough** friend of Trump, friend of the Brexies, friend of destabilisation everywhere, Vlad P **cough**
(Well he’s certainly looking a bit like a latter day Führer)
Are they nationalistic or patriotism? Are they the same evil?
Are people supposed to be ashamed of identifying themselves "strongly" as from a particular nation? i.e. nationalistic/patriotism flag waving etc?
