Lewis said it was racing accident
Max said it was moving under braking.
Nice to be shown who is the bigger man.
Something tells me Lando will be a lot harder on his team mate at the start of races. He should have had him up the grass today and I think in future he will.
Max was just awful today, like a teenager throwing his toys out the pram, very lucky to get away with no further action for that move and lucky not to take himself and Hamilton out of the race altogether, then tried to blame it on Hamilton saying he moved under braking yet Hamilton was just following his racing line whislt max steam rolled into the corner
Then he says the following after the race
“They can all **** off,” was Verstappen’s blunt response when he was asked for his response to comments that his criticism of the team, and the nature of his radio messages had gone too far
The Lando/Piastri thing i kinda see Lando's point, yes he did get 1st pit stop choice due to covering off Hamilton and Max and was told to swap back with Piastri but after Piastri dipped his wheels into the gravel he was nowhere near Lando and Lando needs all the points he can muster to fight Max for the championship, i would of liked to see Lando just ignore all radio calls in silence then as he approches the line just slow to a crawl for Piastri to pass to make his point that he was faster, hopefully the championship battle between Max and Lando dosent come down to a few points at the end of the season
Lando let himself down there, should have let him past asap and raced to the finish.
McLaren naive with the situation.
Max doing Max unapologetically as usual.
Enjoyable race considering you can't overtake. F1 has a bit of drama back, good stuff.
It’s a real shame for Oscar that his first win came like that. It has to have been the flattest, least excitable first win celebration ever.
Easy in hindsight, but possibly Oscar should have said ‘nah, thanks, but I’m good with second’ and then enjoyed his first win properly later in the year.
It has to have been the flattest, least excitable first win celebration ever.
Hakkinen. Also gifted, (by two people!) but then had to celebrate a 'win' while someone else celebrated a championship and everyone else was talking about something else entirely.
But he won the next two titles so it didn't do him any harm
Lando didn't come across very well in his conversation with Hamilton in the warm down room either. Totally missed that he was giving them a compliment and breaking the tension in the room.
That was dumb by McLaren...they should have said to Piastri "if you can as a minimum match Lando's pace, then we'll let you win"...but he was losing time every lap.
McLarens still struggling to be a championship team. They should have pitted Piastri first (leading car), which would have avoided the mess they got themselves into.
Max still has a huge lead. The likelihood of Lando catching him is slim and it makes much more sense to concentrate on the constructors, with a harmonious team. Lando needs to think about 2025 when he needs Oscars help.
Nico's advice to Andrea Stella after the race was spot on about being clear on what the teams view is. That can be about pre-race agreements, strategies or tyre choices. All things where McLaren havent been 100% over the past few races.
It was like McLaren had Ferrari race strategists on work experience for that race, apart from the fact McLaren got a 1, 2 result of course.
If the season carries on at its current trajectory, with McLaren doing well and Perez being as he his, McLaren will very much be a championship team. Throw in a few risky moves from max as he becomes frustrated at not being able to lap the field anymore and the drivers will be up for grabs too.
I think what today showed is that every single F1 driver has the attitude of a petulant teenager when things don’t go their way.
McLaren couldn’t have made a bigger mess of that. When they gave Lando the undercut I thought, well that makes sense—they have the fastest car and if they can win every remaining race with Lando they will have both championships. A long shot maybe but you’d go for it, right? Apparently not. Let’s take 7 points away from the only driver other than Max who has a slight chance at the championship, and let’s do it in a way that infuriates the drivers, puts the race engineers in a hole, and makes the team look like a bucket of dicks. They could have owned it and moved 15 points closer to the driver’s title with the same constructor points, but no. Ron Dennis must be spinning in his uniformly grey room.
A bit surprised/disappointed to see Lando saying Piastri deserved it… Norris put three seconds on him on the final stint and didn’t drive himself off the track twice… sure, Piastri got the first corner but that was all, and that was in no small part because Norris couldn’t just drive into Max. I’d expected him to stick to the point that Piastri should catch up if he wanted to swap back.
I came to like GP this race. A lovely contrast to Max ? (As was Hamilton… Max constantly ranting “you f**ing ruined my race” and everything else, while Hamilton simply says “I think that first stop was a bit early mate”)
It's nice to Hamilton with a bit of enthusiasm now the car is a bit more competitive and made Max work.
I'll admit I was warming to Max against all my better judgement but today just showed he's not grown as a diver at all.
It was funny listening to the complaints of dive bombs, moving under braking and all the things he's done in the past.
McLaren could have handled that better.
Haven't we recently had a fine for swearing across the radio?
Haven’t we recently had a fine for swearing across the radio?
Tsunoda used the "r" word. Verstappen used the "f" word. Different words, different policies I guess.
Lando let himself down there, should have let him past asap and raced to the finish.
Bet the deal was they raced until the final round of pit stops.
If Max isn't careful he risks losing the support of the team. It's one thing to say "We've lost direction" etc, but another to say "I'm making the best of the ****** strategy you've put me on!".
Loved the RB comment "It's just childish "
Yes, he's starting to remind me of Alonso at his worst - he seems to think that public criticism will motivate people to do better rather than to become resentful.
Perhaps RB know he's on his way to Mercedes so have stopped pandering to him?
Can't see Toto letting him play his 'pooter games till 3am in a morning on a race weekend though!
A bit surprised/disappointed to see Lando saying Piastri deserved it… Norris put three seconds on him on the final stint and didn’t drive himself off the track twice… sure, Piastri got the first corner but that was all, and that was in no small part because Norris couldn’t just drive into Max. I’d expected him to stick to the point that Piastri should catch up if he wanted to swap back.
Above everything else, I just can't see any benefit of rearranging their 1-2 at that point, except to give Piastri the warm fuzzies of a first win - and while a win's a win, who would want to be effectively gifted their first one like that?
Given the relative pace by the end, Norris is probably kicking himself for not giving the place back several laps earlier and then re-passing him with ease.
On the plus side, great to see 3/4 competitive teams again, and Max whining about it before driving into someone.
Above everything else, I just can’t see any benefit of rearranging their 1-2 at that point, except to give Piastri the warm fuzzies of a first win – and while a win’s a win, who would want to be effectively gifted their first one like that?
Yeah, agree. I’m going to read a lot into Norris’s engineer’s message of “remember every Sunday morning briefing that we’ve had”—McLaren must have had some sort of long term agreement in place as to how they would manage the positions of the cars to avoid unnecessary fighting on track. If it is indeed something like holding positions after the final scheduled stop, then that would explain why Lando didn’t swap positions immediately: he’d have had to stay behind Piastri, never showing he was faster, and increasing the risk from behind.
The problem is that they’re now the fastest cars on track, they’re on course for the constructors’ championship, and one of their drivers looks like the only guy on the grid who has a slim chance of taking the drivers’ title. In that situation I’d be sitting Piastri down and setting his expectations that the team maximises Lando’s points. It just seems unambitious if they’re not doing that.
Honestly, when they pitted Lando I assumed it was for exactly that reason: to get him 25 points without having to issue any orders to swap the cars. It looked like smart team management to me, because if they can do that in enough races this year they’ll take both championships. The fact that it turned out to be the exact opposite of that is baffling.
Thought the same too, why didn't Norris give the place back early and then overtake? Also, why didn't the team prioritise Norris as he,s the most likely to challenge for the drivers championship.
Then I remembered, Team Principles prioritise the constructors championship above anything else, it's on that result that their job depends..
It's the public who care about the drivers championship, not really cariing who wins the constructors championship.
Though I'll concede; all the above does not explain why Perez still has a seat at Red Bull...
Yep. @Bez totally agree, and I heard Toto say more or less the same thing.
"The first rules of engagement. We didn't want to call it rules anymore. We said racing intent."
McLaren have got to get a grip of managing the drivers on the track, set out the expectations and sometimes you've just got to be a bastard, and if that means Piastri has to wait for the first win, then c'est la vie, this isn't kindergarten
Norris is going to be their best bet for consistently scoring points, (he wasn't the driver than ran off track) and despite Norris taking his sweet time following orders, they've only got themselves to blame for it, and it's not the first time recently that McLaren haven't acted like they have the best car and a good chance of the win. They need to learn how to do that pretty quickly
They need to learn how to do that pretty quickly
I think they also need to understand the implications of ordering one of their drivers to lose at least 5 seconds on the road, which is what Lando would have needed to do in order to let Piastri past at the first time of asking and not then ruin his final set of tyres. They may have the fastest car now, but on days when Max isn’t having an absolute meltdown inside his helmet and repeatedly going off the circuit trying to get past Hamilton, they don’t have so much margin as to be able to do that comfortably.
On a tangent to that, I did start to wonder whether Max and GP were giving a glimpse into more than just a single-race breakdown on Max’s part. Max has been vocal about strategy calls before but it was notable that the gloves were well and truly off this time, while GP seemed to be calmly offloading some small but seemingly long-running chips from his shoulder. Hints of something more ominous?
I’ve seen stuff this morning, that Alonso let stroll through with the plan to be given the place back later, but stroll didn’t. Can’t imagine Alonso being impressed.
I've only watched the highlights but I don't get why McLaren would gift Piastri the win? He may have got the the first corner first but that doesn't entitle him to anything if he's not the faster driver over the race? A win's a win but I'd rather my first F1 win on merit rather than team orders.
Watching the toddler have a melt down was hilarious. More of that this season please then a slow slide into obscurity.
My guess is that Max is just feeling the pressure in general. At the start of the year it looked like he was going to cruise to another title, but suddenly he's having to fight for it in a car that is difficult to drive and no longer the fastest, plus his teammate can't qualify well enough to help with strategy. Red Bull have been a bit lucky over the last few races with McLaren struggling on strategy, but the upgrade package didn't seem to make any difference and now that the Red Bull isn't the fastest car, they have to make every strategy call correctly to have a chance at winning. Plus the Horner scandal, Newey leaving, and having Jos around will all have contributed to pressure. Hamilton had people who could calm him down when he was under pressure, I don't think Max has anyone able to do that for him.
or willing by the sound of the team radio - I think he's burned those bridges.
The press around Red Bull is amazing. Nothwithstanding the ironic moaning about driving standards, Max has now told either Mechanics or Fans or both if they don’t like his attitude they can **** off and go home. Horner is telling the most obvious lie in saying that the “childish” comments were aimed at the rest of the drivers moaning at Red Bull.
And no warnings, fines or penalties for Red Bull for any of it. This is why Max Verstappen feels entitled to get away with it.
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I’ve only watched the highlights but I don’t get why McLaren would gift Piastri the win? He may have got the the first corner first but that doesn’t entitle him to anything if he’s not the faster driver over the race? A win’s a win but I’d rather my first F1 win on merit rather than team orders.Watching the toddler have a melt down was hilarious. More of that this season please then a slow slide into obscurity.
Piastri won the place fair and square at turn 1 (great move as well) and he was fast enough to keep Norris behind in the race.
When you have two drivers in contention, typically the driver in front gets first dibs on pitstop strategy. In that case, if Piastri calls it badly then of course Norris should be allowed to keep the place.
However in this case the team chose the pit strategy, and the strategy they chose was for Norris to take the undercut both times. I believe they did this to protect against either Hamilton or Verstappen taking an early stop and overtaking Norris.
Now, clearly from the radio messages this scenario had already been discussed prior, and it was very much expected that if it occurred, the driver benefitting would give the place back.
So whilst it could look like Norris was cheated or that Piastri was 'gifted' the win by team orders, that's not really the case (IMHO YMMV etc etc).
Also: if Norris had not given the place back, he is guaranteeing that Piastri will never ever help him again.
if Piastri calls it badly then of course Norris should be allowed to keep the place.
Or fluffs up a lap sufficiently badly so that it gives Norris a chance in the undercut when he gets told to pit first. The whole race was badly managed by a team who clearly aren't used to have to make these sorts of calls.
@multi21 - I only watched the YT highlights - it wasn't that clear cut in the best bits edit. I might watch again.
The Max meltdown made it the best race of the (last 5?) year/s for me.
So the rumours seem to be true - it may be Alpine-Mercedes from next season!...
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/renault-set-to-drop-works-f1-engine-alpine-mercedes-deal-close/
...next season seems a stretch though - it would be madness to redesign the car for one season.
next season seems a stretch though – it would be madness to redesign the car for one season.
I think the engines are all designed with standardized mounting points so they can be bolted to the tub interchangeably. The cooling systems will need to be revised so that will affect the aero and packaging but having a decent engine would be well worth the hassle. As I recall, the team that later became Merc did ok with a Mercedes engine bolted into a car designed around a Honda engine.
Taking my F1 mad son to Spa at the weekend for his 16th birthday present, initially thought it'd be boring, judging by the past couple of seasons, but this season has hotted up just in time. Hoping for a Lando win as he's my sons favorite.
We've never been to an F1 race before, I've always fancied it but could never justify the price of Silverstone, but this has worked as part of a bigger holiday. Hopefully the weather stays nice...
He'll be wearing a Mclaren Lando shirt, but I think I might wear my Leicester Tigers rugby shirt (green, red & white hoops) on Sunday, so keep an eye out!
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Taking my F1 mad son to Spa at the weekend for his 16th birthday present, initially thought it’d be boring, judging by the past couple of seasons, but this season has hotted up just in time. Hoping for a Lando win as he’s my sons favorite.
Brilliant, I'm so jealous! Enjoy
