because it paints the view that the country was pretty screwed up before thatcher got in, which is pretty much against the picture you are trying to paint.
You need to stick to facts mate, not make stuff up to suit your agenda.
The UK was screwed up before Thatcher's premiership, I am hardly going to suggest otherwise. Average growth in the 1970s iirc was 2.4%, mass unemployment had rocketed to 1.5 million, there was widespread resentment at totally unjustified government wages policies, and so on.
Thatcher, like a true Tory, managed to make a bad situation worse, much worse. Exactly the same thing is happening now, ie, no one can pretend that the present Tory government inherited a particularly healthy economy, despite taking over an economy in growth, but they have now made the situation even worse and the UK is back in recession.
Of course none of this actually matters to the present government because like Thatcher, however much they screw up the economy won't matter, as they will have achieved what they intended to achieve.
"Of course none of this actually matters to the present government because like Thatcher, however much they screw up the economy won't matter, as they will have achieved what they intended to achieve".
which is? just so I know as I thought they did not have a clue.
I'd just like to congratulate Mr Woppit, well done sir.
which is? just so I know as I thought they did not have a clue.
😕 Really ? You need to ask ?
Redistribution and consolidation of wealth in their favour, and away from ordinary working people. Or did you think they wanted to shift wealth away from themselves and towards ordinary people ? 😀
So does that make Jimmy Carr and Take that 'one of them' or 'ordinary people'?
How about (your mate) Ken Livingstone and David Milipede?
I'm left wondering how redistributing money away from these millionaire 'ordinary working people' by making them pay their taxes fits in with the narrative Ernest 😕
Thatcher, like a true Tory, managed to make a bad situation worse, much worse
in your opinion...
In 1979 growth was around 2% and was 4-5% by 1987.
Inflation was about 13% in 1979, down to 4% in 1987.
In 1979 we had the 'Winter of Discontent', we had been bailed out by the IMF a few years earlier, the government was borrowing £8.5 billion a year and debt was nearly 44% of GDP.
Debt was down to 28% of GDP with a surplus of £6 billion by 1990.
Plus those pesky unions had been put in their rightful place.
I'd also like to add:
Was that the <1% growth that the Bank of England p!ssed £200,000,000,000 generating?despite taking over an economy in growth
In 1979 growth was around 2% and was 4-5% by 1987.
Brilliant. You pluck one arbitrary year out from the 1970s, and then another completely arbitrary year from the 1980s.......just to make your point ! 😀
Average growth in the 1980s under Thatcher was exactly the same as average growth in the 1970s.
As I said........you need to stick to facts, not make stuff up to suit your agenda.
tonyd - MemberI'd also like to add:
You'd like to add that the UK economy wasn't in recession when this present government took over, but now is ? Yeah I think most people probably realise that. Or perhaps not ?
Brilliant. You pluck one arbitrary year out from the 1970s, and then another completely arbitrary year from the 1980s.......just to make your point !
Arbitrary years - 1979 was her first election and 1987 her third.
And 1990 was when she resigned.
Average growth doesn't matter much when you are racking up debt and have to be bailed out to support it.
not make stuff up to suit your agenda.
I haven't - that's clearly a job you are better at.
Come on Ernie, do you seriously believe that with an election coming up we'd have done anything but come out of recession? In reality we never left it, the books were cooked. So when the next election is due and those Evil Tories stop eating babies for long enough to do the same will you be celebrating a return to growth or accusing them of trying to buy votes?
Your opinions and views are clearly poles apart from mine so I'd rather just avoid getting drawn into this any further if it's all the same to you.
Your opinions and views are clearly poles apart from mine
and most sane people ?
I wonder how many more decades it will take for us to recover from her mismanagement of the country.
Ah yes, selling of our houses for half price allowing scrotes to take a huge leap up the housing ladder and ruin some area that previously would have been beyond their means. Yes, I think most of us Conservatives will never forgive her for that.
thinks better of it on reflection
Cheers Whoppster I accept your blessing .....glad you have some faith 😛
the books were cooked
Absolutely priceless ..... what a little beauty !
When the facts are a tad inconvenient just get round that by claiming that the "books were cooked" - that should work !
Hopefully.
Well ..... it's got to be worth a punt anyway 😀
I wonder how many more decades it will take for us to recover from her mismanagement of the country.
I know - what horrific mismanagement Ernie:
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I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how Thatcher managed to create [b]global[/b] recessions (IMF Definition) in the 80's and 90's Ernie
can i see those graphs from 1945 to the present day please ...it must be blindingly obvious what period was thatcher doing her wonderous work iven how good they look. [ should keep you busy googling]
its not like you would present information to make your case look good now is it? So lets see it all please as we need to see how much better she was ...that requires some comparisons obviously.
Sorry, I thought the issue was [b]Thatchers[/b] economic mismanagement.
If you want to dispute the figures, do your own legwork 😉
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I wonder what was happening before Thatcher, let's have a look shall we ?
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Oh so it had been falling for decades and actually flatten out when Thatcher became PM in the 1980s.
Quite an achievement that eh ?
its not like you would present information to make your case look good now is it?
That wouldn't be cricket, would it? Where have I seen this tactic before?
Those graphs don't tell the story of an entire generation of working class people who were plunged into a spiral of poverty that still affects entire communities today.
How do you reckon she balanced the books? By printing more money?
Those graphs don't tell the story of an entire generation of working class people who were plunged into a spiral of poverty that still affects entire communities today.
Should have got on their bikes then, shouldn't they?
I know dozens of Eastern Europeans who moved halfway across Europe to get out of a spiral of property - they didn't sit at home blaming Thatcher for ending the cold war, did they 😉
BTW Z-11 :
I wonder how many more decades it will take for us to recover from her mismanagement of the country.I know - what horrific mismanagement Ernie:
I wasn't me who said said it so you were replying to the wrong person.
Accuracy, attention to detail, and facts, aren't your strongest points, are they ?
I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how Thatcher managed to create global recessions (IMF Definition) in the 80's and 90's Ernie
As TJ would say - Answer the Question!
As a general rule I don't answer any of your questions nor do I generally read your posts if they are more than about 3 sentences long.
Oh, is that your bat and ball you're taking home with you Ernie 😥
If you want to dispute the figures, do your own legwork
I am not disputing the figures I just need something to compare/evaluate them against or they are pointless. your reluctance to do so is all we need to know...I mean not even you want to try so i must be on to something eh
Debt was down to 28% of GDP with a surplus of £6 billion by 1990.
Er, North sea oil would'nt have helped any then?
Or was that just used to pay unempleyment benefit to the miners and steelworkers?
Or or, bankroll the yuppie culture?
Tories = GREED!
This is all getting a bit heavy, let's have another sing song...
I liked it 🙂
But I preferred Die Hard 4.
Should have got on their bikes then, shouldn't they?
I know dozens of Eastern Europeans who moved halfway across Europe to get out of a spiral of property - they didn't sit at home blaming Thatcher for ending the cold war, did they
Spoken like a true vampire.
I thought Jim Broadbent was really good as the ghost of Dennis, but the actor playing "Michael Foot" could have done with a bit more swivel-eyed twitch and spittle...
Did they not invite you to audition 😆
Tories = GREED!
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and your point?
and your point?
Well I'm guessing his point might be that Tories are by definition greed personified.
Obviously most people are fully aware of that.....was that the point you were making by asking what his point was ?
Junkyard - Member
Did they not invite you to audition
Why would they do that, then? (Careful, you don't want to have to take it all back. Again).
Here's one for you...
We've done that.
