[Closed] Football sorry..Barton What a pen.....

Now, I may be wrong, but I've never seen a player sent off for being kicked in the leg from behind, but it was worth a try...

Amid all my euphoria last night, I watched it back on MOTD.

Tevez is a very, very lucky lad. The linesman may have seen the elbow, but the dig by Tevez that provoked it was almost as bad.

That would cap it all for his season, getting sent off and blowing the biggest game in City's history. As it was, Barton's dismissal nearly blew it for us - it was harder against 10.

Barton's twitter said that he tried to take one of ours with him - by the looks of his attempt to dead leg Aguero, he didn't mind if that person was carded or injured.

I was shocked by Aguero's powers of recovery though. I thought he looked finished when he went down, but to come back and score the winner...Amaaaaaazing! 🙂

by the looks of his attempt to dead leg Aguero, he didn't mind if that person was carded or injured.

Although Aguero did strike me as one of those little trouble making blokes who stirs things up from behind his mates. I could feel Bartons frustration.
Ballateli did a similar thing when Barton began a diversion towards him, faking being held back and all that.

Ah, would you look at Aguero...how did he ever recover from that horrific dead-leg?
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Thought he did not deserve to walk/red card for that actual incident and the kick by tevez started it all and was worse IMHO

The dead leg was a red but the over aacing by both city players was par for the course from wendy ballers

We do need to eradicate the dleivberat echeating /over acting by players - this is not a city dig most teams and players do this - Se Drogba for example

No, Aguero is definitely in serious pain there. You can see it on his face. Chapeau to the City physio! 🙂

Se Drogba for example

And Suarez (and I'm a red!)

The game is ruined in my opinion. Just renewed my Sale season ticket anyway!

Barton is a thug and he comes from a family of thugs with a very very seedy resume. Besides his antics yesterday, "trying to take a city player with him.

Brother and cousin kill a guy because he is black.

Cousins kill an innocent father.

Barton

2005 broke a guy’s leg while driving his car through Liverpool city centre.

2007 arrested for suspicion of assault on a taxi driver and criminal damage.

2008 6 months in prison for assault and affray.

2008 four months suspended sentence for assault and ABH on a Man City team mate ending team mates Man City career.

Thats besides his antics on the football pitch and his self evangelising twitter comments and attcks on other people.

He is a disgrace, an individual who isn't even a very good player!

He should be banned for life by the FA let alone no club should even touch him.

* Stands by to get flamed *

"trying to take a city player with him.

But its acceptable for the City players to try to get him sent off?

Brother and cousin kill a guy because he is black.

Cousins kill an innocent father.

Not sure why these events are his fault?

2005 broke a guy’s leg while driving his car through Liverpool city centre.

Was he charged for this?

2007 arrested for suspicion of assault on a taxi driver and criminal damage.

He was never charged for this

2008 6 months in prison for assault and affray.

No doubt he did this and plenty of video evidence for all too see.

2008 four months suspended sentence for assault and ABH on a Man City team mate ending team mates Man City career.

Wasnt this a training game fight? I understood he had a cut mouth, are you saying it ended his career in the same way that Roy Keane ended Haalands career? edit: just googled it, he had bruised eye lids as well.

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I agree with the comments but its a product of the environment he is in. Thats all as I am suggesting here. Also in my opinion I dont think the guy is fit to represent and play football.

Apologies he didnt end Dabo's career I misread a report.

Didnt realise we were discussing Roy Keane?

pingu66 - Member
Barton is a thug and he comes from a family of thugs with a very very seedy resume. Besides his antics yesterday, "trying to take a city player with him.

Brother and cousin kill a guy because he is black.

The same brother who got battered by the black kid and his mates a couple of days before ?

Yeah that's right, remember it well. However very little of that side of the story came out much. Mostly because it would go against that weird racism/anti-racism thing we have going on in this country.
Bartons brother took the Axe out as a method of self defence.

Not that i'm condoning his actions... but there are 2 sides to the story.

Umm yeah agreed there are two sides to the story and whatever said black kid did or did not do does not condone an axe in the head! However

Carrying an axe for protection? Are you for real!

And for the record it was racially motivated and unprovoked as far as I am aware I have not seen any evidence that Anthony Walker attacked Michael Barton. However if you feel thats justificataion fo going out and then killing someone so be it!

However if you feel thats justificataion fo going out and then killing someone so be it!

Never once did i say that LOL.

Carrying an axe for protection isn't that ridiculous. Well, not in certain areas and certain times of life anyhow. I used to carry a butterfly knife when i was around there when i was in my early/mid teens. 'The Johns estate' really wasn't a very nice place. Random violence, unprovoked attacks, all commonplace.

weeksy you come across as a right ****

How so ? I grew up in the same area as Barton, along with several other areas in Liverpool that were rough beyond words. I don't think many people can grasp Liverpool back in the days unless they lived there. The new docu on Nat Geo called 'Living with the Noonans" is a reasonable representation.

Back in them days my good mates were drug dealers, car thieves and general thugs. I've known many bloke who carried guns as protection and someone else getting bottled in a bar fight was par for the course. My personal threshold for crime was pretty loose...my morals barely existed. However, i was like 99% of all other kids growing up in inner city Liverpool. Boarded up houses, street that no-one lived in and poverty where the twins who lived over the road from my nans were only allowed out one at a time as they could only afford one pair of shoes. My grandad was a road sweeper and my nan scraped a living in a factory. That's just how it was.

I think you're confusing the person i grew up as, being the person i am today. Just because i can understand Barton and his lifestyle, doesn't mean i think it's right.

weeksy - Member

The same brother who got battered by the black kid and his mates a couple of days before ?Yeah that's right, remember it well.

Do you really? Nobody else seems to. You'll have some evidence for this? Because according to the verdict, it was an unprovoked, racially motivated attack

Do you really? Nobody else seems to. You'll have some evidence for this?

It was common knowledge. The kid who was killed (RIP) was as much of a thug as Bartons brother. They had been in their own equivalent of a 'gang war' (as close as teenagers get anyway) for a fairly long time. Bartons brother took a kicking outside the local shops.

People didn't really have cameras and video phones back then so no, i don't have any proof. However, i had no reason to not believe what i was told at the time.

Did they just forget to mention all that in court? Oh, if Barton was carrying the axe for self defence, why did he claim he found it at the scene but "thought it was a stick"?

barton is a tool and anyone who tries to defend him needs to think about the "here and now" not the past and make a moral decision

Wouldn't you lie if you thought it would help your defence ? SAying "Yeah i brought it out of the house so i could club someone to death with it" wouldn't exactly help your cause.

When it was in court it was inferred that the victim was also of dubious character, but that's all, it was heresay. There was no actual proof that he was the same sort of kid. However they did have people saying he was a wonderful, kind considerate kid who wouldn't hurt a fly... Funny that isn't it... I recall there was a case in Liverpool involving 2 other lads and a young kid (i think you know the one i mean)... funnily enough, it was apparently totally out of character for them too.

I think we've taken this subject as far as we can, i don't think we're going to agree on it.

Like i say, in my youth, me perceptions of right and wrong were very very different to many other peoples.

Personally i think to even discuss yesterdays antics a 'assault' is beyond laughable and a reasonable perspective on the society of today and why we have many many issues with our children as seen in the rioting last year.

cruzheckler - Member
barton is a tool and anyone who tries to defend him needs to think about the "here and now" not the past and make a moral decision

I'm not trying to defend him ! LOL. I agree, he's a complete muppet... however, i can totally understand him.

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Weeksy

Think its been said by other people, theres never an excuse to walk around tooled up. I also know Huyton very well having drunk there and have a lot of freinds from there and Kirkby. Most people are perfectly pleasant just getting on with their lives.

You state the Anthony Walker battered Bartons brother.

The same brother who got battered by the black kid and his mates a couple of days before

Then say

When it was in court it was inferred that the victim was also of dubious character, but that's all, it was heresay

Make your mind up???

Was Anthony Walker the perpetrator of his own misfortune, ie the aggressor that got his comeupance, or an innocent kid killed by a moron carrying an offensive weapon? He was waiting at a bus stop with his girlfreind and, his freind who went for help, returning to fing said axe embedded in his head. Not an axe wound but actually embedded in his head.

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Was Anthony Walker the perpetrator of his own misfortune, ie the aggressor that got his comeupance, or an innocent kid killed by a moron carrying an offensive weapon?

A bit of both. As with most youths like these, circumstances, friendships and indeed common enemies tend to dictate your behavior.

Some (like me) grow up to be well rounded adults with proper jobs and a familly etc. However some end up doing time and indeed some end up in the ground. Mostly it's down to luck (or a lack of) rather than anything else. In my days i was exceptionally close to being sent away for an extended holiday (although, not for violence i must mention), obviously my life would have been exceptionally different to the one i have now. However, this was a small turn of fate that seperated the me we have here, from the me with a prison stretch.

I think back of another occasion, it was the night of the Michael Jackson gig in Liverpool, i wasn't one of the fortunate people with tickets so we were walking to get a closer listen. We were just by where Brookside was filmed and were chased by a gang of about 10 lads. All were tooled up with various implements from cricket bats to other objects (it was dark so i can't be more descriptive sorry). However somehow we managed to jump a wall out of sight and made it safely away in the end after passing through some random woodland. I think to how different things could have been that night for example, what would have happend if we'd been caught, neither me or my mate were the violent type and i'd have been in a world of trouble... them other lads could quite easily have been sitting in a cell now due to their actions that night... who knows.

Back then, it was par for the course to be carrying something hard/firm/whatever as a self-defence item. Sometimes it was silly things like Chinese throwing stars, or a pair of nunchuku (sp?), sometimes it was a screwdriver... or even a knife... i was far from being the only person around who took precautions.

There are many many other stories, occasions and circumstances... but, we're digressing from the story actually being discussed in the OP.

Pingu, the victim was not charged as there was no offence in the days leading up to the killing, it was simply a way of life, taking a kicking every now and again was what happened when you walked down the wrong street at the wrong time. I personally was suprised more wasn't made of it when the case was being heard etc. But i was only a bystander reading in the papers and listening to local gossip. As i said above, i had no reason at the time to not believe what i was told... whether it's true or not, i dunno, but i certainly think it was.

Interesting post Weeksy.

1) Although I would say an axe to the head doesn't constitute reasonable force in a fisticuffs brawl unless outnumbered and liable to get a shoeing that will lead to a visit to the local Neuro ITU.

2) Taking an axe out probably shows premeditated intent to kill. Why not carry something that you can have an excuse for carrying, like a mag-lite?

Interesting post Weeksy. Although I would say an axe to the head doesn't constitute reasonable force in a fisticuffs brawl unless outnumbered

I'd agree....

However, i'm not sure how much i'd have agreed 25 years ago...

I think i've bared my soul enough in this thread now, obviously aided a few Scouse stereotypes and characters along the way.. so i think i'll bow out of this thread while i still retain a certain ammount of dignity.

Night all.

I wouldn't say I disagree with you at all Weeksy when you talk about what life was like round there, unfortunately what I would say is that going down for what they did was part and parcel of the lifestyle even if it was kind of self defence.

I think people in those circumstances have a double whammy of risks. 1) Getting attacked 2) Being done for carrying something that they feel they have to defend themselves with.

The real shame is that people feel they need to resort to carrying weapons in the first place.

Why not carry something that you can have an excuse for carrying, like a mag-lite

Where was i going to find a mag-lite ? LOL. I wasn't working, my old man was a joiner, the odds were, i'd carry a hammer or a chisel based upon that. THe axe wouldn't have been purchased for the occasion, it would simply have been an object that wouldn't be missed and would likely cause a certain ammount of fear if brandished.

going out on the streets carrying a torch lol... you'd have been slapped by your mates, let alone your enemies 🙂

It was just an example weeksy, a big **** off spanner maybe?

I wouldn't fancy dualing with a small knife.... used to do a lot of fencing....would rather have a spanner with a bit more distance that I can just use to get out and run.

Fortunately....never had to think about it much so I'm probably wrong!

The victim was not charged because there was no victim, you actually say it was hearsay. As far as I know your the only person who knows this.

As for walking around tooled up? * me, never happened in Liverpool. You were either known so you didn't need to be tooled up. Not a threat ie just doing your day to day thin so didnt need to be tooled up.

For the record where Brookside was filmed is nowhere near Aintree Racecourse where JAckson played.

Your a wannabe that never was. I have never heard so much shite spoken by anyone in my life as you. Yeah Liverpools ruff, in places, as any UK city is as I have been to most. Never tooled up etc. * me!!!!!!!!!!!

bwaarp - Member
I wouldn't say I disagree with you at all Weeksy when you talk about what life was like round there, unfortunately what I would say is that going down for what they did was part and parcel of the lifestyle even if it was kind of self defence

The consequences of your actions at that age and in that type of company are very rarely given any consideration.

It's only now when i sit back and think about some of the things i did as a youngster, it was a miracle i grew up a fairly normal kind of guy.

Of course, this sort of hindsight is why i now live in a small sleepy west berkshire village where my little fella walks to feed the horses every evening with me, then up to see if we can 'clap' any rabbits in the fields ....

I don't want him to grow up with the same lifestyle (and morals possibly) that i had.

Official Home Office statistics revealed a total of 3,387 offences involving firearms had occurred in the Merseyside region during a four year period between 1997 and 2001.[

I thought St Annes in Shottingham was bad.

pingu66 - Member
The victim was not charged because there was no victim, you actually say it was hearsay. As far as I know your the only person who knows this.

As for walking around tooled up? * me, never happened in Liverpool. You were either known so you didn't need to be tooled up. Not a threat ie just doing your day to day thin so didnt need to be tooled up.

For the record where Brookside was filmed is nowhere near Aintree Racecourse where JAckson played.

Your a wannabe that never was. I have never heard so much shite spoken by anyone in my life as you. Yeah Liverpools ruff, in places, as any UK city is as I have been to most. Never tooled up etc. * me!!!!!!!!!!!

Go get a map, walk on it (so to speak) directly from Huyton, Page Moss, Ackers Hall, down Princes drive, down past brookside... where do you then end up... yep.. over Aintree. We didn't have a car, we were 14/15 so we walked.

Obviously our opionions differ on growing up, i'm a long way from a wannabee anything... lol. I wasn't even a wanabee back in them days... i was just an average lad growing up down Scottie road and then Huyton.

Admit Barton a thug who shouldn't really be playing but tevez started it they should have both Been given a red card. Tevez is just as much as liability along with most of the man city team.

but tevez started it

It was just an example weeksy, a big **** off spanner maybe

Fair point... i guess a lot of the time it came down to impressing your mates too... carrying a spanner didn't impress your mates as much as going to Chinatown and buying a butterfly knife 🙂

BARTON 1 WORD CLASS ,great guy and player,everybody wants him on there side NUFF said

Ackers Hall Aintree 6 miles, you go through West Derby, Noggsy, Fazak then your near Aintree!

Pricess Drive, Croxteth Hall Lane, Stonebridge Lane, Copplehouse Lane, Aintree Lane, Wango Lane, School Lane, Melling Road. NO WHERE ****ING NEAR AINTREE RACECOURSE

Yeah we do differ WTF are you on!