Oh good, Gündoğan back at City. Just what they really needed for tomorrow.
The away end experience tomorrow hopefully can't be any worse than the last time I was in Manchester to watch Town.
Oh good, Gündoğan back at City. Just what they really needed for tomorrow.
The away end experience tomorrow hopefully can’t be any worse than the last time I was in Manchester to watch Town.
The record breaking defeat? I'm hoping we don't end the season with a new record for lowest Premier League points.
Showed enough against Liverpool to show you can compete - sure there will be a few drubbings given quite an attacking style. It took Burnley too long last season to become a bit more pragmatic, McKenna seems pretty switched on.
Recommended viewing: the Amazon documentary on Sven. He’s quite an amazing human being and seems almost bizarrely stoic in the face of his terminal cancer diagnosis. An amazing life.
Also responsible for one of the best chants ever when Shiniwatra was going to get rid of him…
We don’t need no Phil Scolari
We Don’t need no Mourhino
Oi! Taksin! Leave our Sven alone!
Has some rather Fonze-like characteristics in more ways than one.
@Jolsa - I have a running joke/tradition with one of my Citeh supporting mates of betting on a 5-0 result whenever one of the newly promoted sides or those at the bottom of the table travel to the blue side of Manchester. It’s paid out quite a few times, particularly with Burnley.
I just had a look and the odds on that scoreline are 12/1. I hope it isn’t, as that’ll be a long journey home for you. You looked good in the first half against Liverpool
Anyway… we’ve got the early kick off to get our traditional loss to Brighton out of the way early in the season.
Arsenal Villa should be a cracking match later
I too hope we don't get slaughtered today but equally everyone has to play everyone and I view last week and this week as getting tow of the harder games out of the way early. It might be nice to have had a couple of games where we stood a chance of a result as a bit of a confidence booster but listening to the team talk they're fairly pragmatic and I like to think McKenna will take those on the chin and learn from them anyway
I view last week and this week as getting tow of the harder games out of the way early
That was my view - if we go into the third game with even 1 point that would have been a huge bonus.
Struggling to convince myself there are three clubs who look likely to finish below us, but Everton might be one of them.
Yes!
No!
Bugger!
Double bugger!
Poor old Ipswich
It’s the hope that kills you
Looks like City might be about to take another record from United....
I won £6 with my £1 stake for Ipswich to score first so it's not a complete loss
Depressingly normal service has been resumed, tonked by Deadpool.
Depressingly normal service has been resumed, tonked by Deadpool
Had to sell my ticket as mrs S has brought me into Liverpool for my birthday. Very happy with 7 points out of 9, especially with Mullin out through injury for all 3 games. Hopefully he’ll be back before Birmingham away.
edit - Mullin came on after 74 minutes
What’s going on with Arsenal kit? Are they sponsored by Lynx Africa this season?
Good start for the Albion, 2 away wins and a point at home against Leeds last week.
4-1 away to Man City no embarrassment. We got our (brief) party in the away end scoring the first!
I'd moan about not being given the pen, but all too typical and unsurprising.
Need a few of our signings to settle in, and I think we have a good chance of survival.
Got to work VAR out a bit, Man City got a pretty soft penalty there, Savinho was down before the tip of the guys foot touched him and VAR were referring the ref, then up the other end the Man City player clatters the Ipswich player and it's not brought back for VAR, nothing against City, they look like they're starting up again, Haaland is on fire and they could still bring in other decent players to have an even better squad!
Yep, 4-1, not too disappointed with that, think I'm still in "happy to be here" mood. If that carriers on like that all season it might be a bit depressing but I'm hoping there's some points in there somewhere
Not sure how much Ipswich paid for Music but when we had him at Forest it wasn't a great loan, came with suitable pedigree from City though so expected a bit better for a champ team back then, was young though.
Def have one eye on Ipswich as I think Forest will have another season flirting with renovation, you've kept a good rep rather than take the our approach first year up akin to a kid in a sweetshop on the first day of school, we did need those players though, we'd not have stayed up without those signings. It's such a step up though, and ever widening.
Think Southampton will be down there if they continue the possession experiment, they'll just get held at arms length and picked apart at the higher level.
We need a striker, looking like Nketiah currently, think he'd link up well with some of our forward players, just hoping we have no further outgoings, although expect it's Morillo's last season before bigger things/Chelsea.
No sign of MerescaBall being dull so far. Looks to me like Chelsea are going to have to score a bundle because the defence is so leaky.
We’ve got the first ludicrous VAR decision of the season with the disallowed Bournemouth goal. Bonkers!
Carragher described the first Liverpool goal as being Klopp like. Might make a good opening intro which Arne Slot might appreciate in the after match interview.
why? Clearly went in off his arm, which is defined in the laws as the bit below the armpit. Put an elastic band or your hand around your arm and move it up to the bottom of your armpit, that'll show you.
The mistake you are making is listening to pundits who don't know WTF the laws are of the game they're being paid large sums to comment about. Again. If you went with their 'below a sleeve' definition then you'd have a case, but it's only in their heads where that is a law. Unless in their head everyone is wearing cap sleeved shirts.
It is an offence if a player:
scores in the opponents' goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
By that definition, it isn't even interpretation. It hit his arm and went in the goal, so was disallowed - simple as.
Looked harsh, and the commentators were on about it being harsh, but the thing i think that made it more of a handball was the fact he had his arm around the defender, so if it hadn't hit his arm, he wouldn't have got it, if it had been one of the mistimed headers that hits him like that, you'd be thinking it should stand, but having his arm over the defender gave him an unfair advantage to get the ball with a part of his body he's not allowed to use.
The ref gave it and no players complained about a potential handball. I thought this season the idea was to keep VAR out of it as much as possible and go with the onfield decision?
They didn’t get VAR involved when Jolinton then clotheslined the keeper which was as clear a straight red as you’ll ever see
VAR reviewed and decided it was not violent conduct. I think it looked worse than it was, a classic 'seatbelt' tackle from the other game, but if Schar was sent off last week I'm amazed that wasn't as well.
The handball was a factual decision, not opinion, hence what the ref and other players thought is of no consequence.
Did it touch his arm below the armpit?
Did it go into the goal, or lead immediately to a goal?
Simple as.
but if Schar was sent off last week I’m amazed that wasn’t as well
I think that’s the main issue. The lack of consistency. If Schars was a red then so was Jolintons and if Jolintons wasn’t a red then neither was Schars. I did think Schars was harsh, whereas I was amazed Jolinton wasn’t sent off for that today
Did it touch his arm below the armpit?
I didn't think so. Did I miss something?
yes, came off his outer arm about halfway between shoulder and elbow, and probably the defender's shoulder as well. Which by a different law wouldn't be handball, because the defender's shoulder isn't in an unnatural position
It's one of those (daft) laws that doesn't include intent, or whether there was any power in it, just did it touch the arm and if it does then it has to be disallowed. From my earlier link
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
The only thought in the VAR room is if it did. No point blaming the officials for applying the law as written, there's no 'but a slight brush is OK' and certainly no sleeve length shite that the pundits are still going on about.
And the cartoons in the LOAF are crap too, look at a real human and see where the armpit is. Any touch on the bicep or tricep is arm, not shoulder
yes, came off his outer arm about halfway between shoulder and elbow, and
That wasn't obvious to me. I only saw it on MoTD2 though.
So have I and also stills from that film and it's pretty clear for me. Hits about the badge on the sleeve. I've got it on catch up now.
I'm not arguing that the law has delivered the 'morally wrong' outcome this time, but that's the issue with laws being strictly interpreted, which is what we want - because the alternative of 'use your judgement' then has the officials being blasted for inconsistency.
Next highlights, Man U. Zirkzee's offside goal. Totally accidental, unintentional, ball was going in anyway..... surely we can ignore the touch there as well then?
Going by this graphic it was handball.
If offside didn't exist as a rule, Zirkzee would have been credited with a goal, so he "scored" it. Unfortunately for him he was in an offside position, so the goal does't stand. Actually, he wasn't unfortunate, just stupid.
Not the heady heights of the PL, but this is a cracker of a goal from Torquay, the scorer was in my son’s class at school. Lirak Hasani. Video is cued up so you don’t need to watch the whole highlights.
Sven was indirectly responsible for me falling in love with my career as a structural engineer. His appointment as England manager came with the provisio that a central training facility should be built for the elite teams at what is now known as St George's Park. Whilst the project I was on was ill fated, the financial disaster of Wembley put pay to it, I got to immerse myself in timber gridshell design and a host of other interesting topics.
It also coincided with my love of the national team and that 5-1 result against Germany.
Sven, thanks for the memories, there are a couple of colleges in the north west that benefited from that timber design experience 😉
RIP Sven - could teach many a lesson in stoicism. Classy man.
He did have a bit of a habit of putting things where he shouldn’t though.
As the documentary shows, the lad was punching! Fair play! 😀
Looks like I need to watch it tonight then.
